Silaanyo's second term

[X.Playa]

Am embarrassed on behalf of hy this Xabashi stooge doesn't represent us. Now I believe Xildiid there is no way this kid can be isaaq, maybe his mother but his dad can be anything but isaaq. Who vouched for him other then the kid timacase?

[skywalker25]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

[SultanOrder]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

What is the historical score settling you keep mentioning? I'm so confused? Who was settling scores with whom?

[skywalker25]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

What is the historical score settling you keep mentioning? I'm so confused? Who was settling scores with whom?

The historical battering that the Dhulbahnte/Ogaden endured at the hands of the Isaaq's. The goal was using the Somali state resources, reclaiming back any lands lost, and/or gain more land..

[SonofANomad]

Hawdian, you said ''Siyaad Bare's vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever''. What vision are we talking about? are we talking about the failed invasion of Ethiopia. Are we talking about the embarrassing foreign policy failures and strategic blunders made prior, during and after the invasion? Or, are we talking about Barre's mere dreams and fantasies, which, in any case, no one would really know or care what they were. Benito Mussolini, which incidentally was the inspirational figure for Barre, had himself a fantasy and a dream of building a modern Roman empire, I don't recall people admiring him for his vision.

Calling Barre a prominent Somali ''thinker'' is to distort the meaning of the word or to insult the real Somali thinkers by including that idiot into the club. Recognising him a none tribalist leader and taking the comparative developments of Banadir and Gedo regions during his rule as an evidence, is to ignore history and to make yourself a fool. It is not even a secret that Siyaad Bare intended to resettle his entire clan to Banadir, kimaayo and fertile regions of Shabeele and Juba regions. Are we conveniently forgetting the famous Boli Qaran villages in Muqdisho and other national scandals? obviously he never though that he will ousted from power, he envisioned a family kingdom even after him, that is why he invested Banadir heavily. He also calculated that by concentrating power and all major economic activities in Banadir and surroundings will somehow enhance and prolong his dictatorial rule.

Finally, I concede that he did a good job at the implementation of the written Somali, I also concede that his literacy campaigns were to some extent successful and are praise worthy, but all the idiotic and dumb dictators in history did something and implemented some projects that are praise worthy. They are judged by their overall legacy and not by some selective and minor achievements. Sadam Husain and Muammar al Gadafi also completed some useful projects, I have never seen anybody proud of their legacy in their countries.

Here is his achievement that no african president until this day have accomplished




here is his vision!



All you said was bullshit not even backed by a single source! Come back when you dont have stupid hersays and qabilist nonsense told to you by ur own genocidal SNM maniac presidents and family!

No wonder he nuked you qabilist anti somali isaaqs!

[SultanOrder]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

What is the historical score settling you keep mentioning? I'm so confused? Who was settling scores with whom?

The historical battering that the Dhulbahnte/Ogaden endured at the hands of the Isaaq's. The goal was using the Somali state resources, reclaiming back any lands lost, and/or gain more land..

@ historical battering. It's hilarious you consider camel raiding as battering, the most significant battles that took place in the north for centuries is the fights between the dervish movement and the English. There is nothing historical about reer hebel fighting reer hebel over grazing lands ama camels.

[Xildiiid]

The historical scores -> the belief that Dhulbahanate/Ogaden suffered at the hands of colonialists because of Isaaq hence the revision to fit that narrative and to portray my clan as Somalidiid (ironically the word used to describe us/Somaliland today) and Gaalo raac . The villifaction of Isaaq made it possible to wage a war on my clan in the 80's and ''punish'' them for the things they allegedly did.

It's known that Afweyne himself suffered from inferiority complex against Isaaq, whom he often referred to as arrogant while saying they should be punished.


SonOfNomad,


Afweyne was a puppet to the Sovietunion. They endorsed the literacy campaign. They started training the Somali army in 1961 (8 years before Afweyne), they financed projects aimed at improving infrastructure and the agricultural sector. They built the ports and improved the airports.

When they abandoned Afweyne in 1978, his true nature revealed itself to the public and 13 years later he was overthrown.

[luis1]

Siad Barre left the Somali alphabet as a legacy and equally we can credit him along with many other players Eritrea's secession, which reshaped Ethiopia. Barre may have made many mistakes in a domestic levels but his vision in the region was far bigger than any Somali politician ever.

Siad Barre aid to eritrean independence was not very important,the somali aid to eritrean insurgency was not decisive to defeat Derg.

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1 ... 014.947469

Ethiopian foreign policy and
the Ogaden War: the shift from
“containment” to “destabilization,”
1977–1991


In contrast, Somalia’s support to rebel groups in northern Ethiopia, particularly the EPLF,
was insignificant. The propaganda issued by the EPLF’s office in Mogadishu was a
nuisance to the Derg but no more than that. In addition, the WSLF and SALF were
significantly weakened after the Ogaden War. The former was practically defunct by the
late 1980s, with its splinter group, the Ogaden National Liberation Front (ONLF) operating from headquarters in Kuwait. Even though elements of the ONLF would later
manage to slip back into the Ogaden, their actions had little impact. Siad Barre’s
negotiating position was therefore a weak one


The Derg may have defeated Somalia, but Ethiopia’s own internal rebellions
had finally defeated the Derg. Seen in this light, the destabilization in Somalia that
Ethiopia fomented under the Derg seems a less successful strategy, as it has proved to be
a significant element in the ongoing challenges that subsequent Ethiopian Governments
have faced on the country’s southeastern frontier. Even after the fall of the Derg, Ethiopia
is still paying a heavy price for its “destabilization” strategy in Somalia.

[SonofANomad]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

its is indeed bull! all you have bullshit pages written by ur own qabilist people! no it did not start qabil! only his people became more qabil from 80s onward!

history needs no revisionism when ur hear revising it and calling UN The f-king UN liars? no wonder he bombed you isaaq propagators! all you guys can do is lie to further ur own qabilist state SL which you have no recognition from ur own people the isaas dhulbhante and gadabursi all say no to SL!


He was indeed anti Qabil! reason why somalia was a stable country!

infact what could be more legit then The unbiased UN website! STop being in denial he was against clan and his people werent!

he would murder his would oppose every clan!

The guy was straight wadaani and bunch of qabilist people who won overthrow him are know writing lies!

infact read the UN report!

The SRC took its toughest political stance in the campaign to break down the solidarity of the lineage groups. Tribalism was condemned as the most serious impediment to national unity. Siad Barre denounced tribalism in a wider context as a "disease" obstructing development not only in Somalia, but also throughout the Third World. The government meted out prison terms and fines for a broad category of proscribed activities classified as tribalism. Traditional headmen, whom the democratic government had paid a stipend, were replaced by reliable local dignitaries known as "peacekeepers" (nabod doan), appointed by Mogadishu to represent government interests. Community identification rather than lineage affiliation was forcefully advocated at orientation centers set up in every district as the foci of local political and social activity. For example, the SRC decreed that all marriage ceremonies should occur at an orientation center. Siad Barre presided over these ceremonies from time to time and contrasted the benefits of socialism to the evils he associated with tribalism.

To increase production and control over the nomads, the government resettled 140,000 nomadic pastoralists in farming communities and in coastal towns, where the erstwhile herders were encouraged to engage in agriculture and fishing.

• By dispersing the nomads and severing their ties with the land to which specific clans made collective claim, the government may also have undercut clan solidarity. In many instances, real improvement in the living conditions of resettled nomads was evident, but despite government efforts to eliminate it, clan consciousness as well as a desire to return to the nomadic life persisted.

Concurrent SRC attempts to improve the status of Somali women were unpopular in a traditional Muslim society, despite Siad Barre's argument that such reforms were consonant with Islamic principles[/b].

despite the guys effort in banning clan! his stubborn People want to continue being qabil and wanted to return to nomadic life!

YOu isaaqs need to revise ur own life and ur own worth f-king qabil propagators!

[SultanOrder]

The historical scores -> the belief that Dhulbahanate/Ogaden suffered at the hands of colonialists because of Isaaq hence the revision to fit that narrative and to portray my clan as Somalidiid (ironically the word used to describe us/Somaliland today) and Gaalo raac . The villifaction of Isaaq made it possible to wage a war on my clan in the 80's and ''punish'' them for the things they allegedly did.

It's known that Afweyne himself suffered from inferiority complex against Isaaq and often made referred my clan as arrogant while saying they should be punished.

lol Darood doesn't suffer an inferiority complex period. If a Darood herd that they would just laugh I'm not even joking wallahi, Darood is too arrogant and competes with each other more than others. The only two clans Isaaq border from Darood is Ogaden and Dhulbahante, warsengeli are too small to count, and even then Ogaden were eyeing each other more than Isaaq.

[skywalker25]

What is the historical score settling you keep mentioning? I'm so confused? Who was settling scores with whom?

The historical battering that the Dhulbahnte/Ogaden endured at the hands of the Isaaq's. The goal was using the Somali state resources, reclaiming back any lands lost, and/or gain more land..

@ historical battering. It's hilarious you consider camel raiding as battering, the most significant battles that took place in the north for centuries is the fights between the dervish movement and the English. There is nothing historical about reer hebel fighting reer hebel over grazing lands ama camels.

Your TOL are fighting in Kismayo for the same exact reason my friend. Don't play dumb with us because your Masiah's legacy is on trial. The Dhulbahnte wanted Burco and then Ogaden Hargeisa. Need we really play this game OP....

[luis1]

My dear Son of a Nomad

Siad Barre made some good things for somali people but the world remembers him as a tyrant, a war criminal and the man who failed to create Greater Somalia in 1977.These are facts and nobody can change them.

[skywalker25]

For that single UN link, I can found 10 that say the opposite. History requires no revisionism. The Barre government starting from the 80's was one driven by nothing but tribalism and historical score settling. Whether against Hawiyes or Isaaq's. The whole thing fell apart when the Darods turned I eachother, after Afweyne mad a deal with Ethiopia...

its is indeed bull! all you have bullshit pages written by ur own qabilist people! no it did not start qabil! only his people became more qabil from 80s onward!

history needs no revisionism when ur hear revising it and calling UN The f-king UN liars? no wonder he bombed you isaaq propagators! all you guys can do is lie to further ur own qabilist state SL which you have no recognition from ur own people the isaas dhulbhante and gadabursi all say no to SL!


He was indeed anti Qabil! reason why somalia was a stable country!

infact what could be more legit then The unbiased UN website! STop being in denial he was against clan and his people werent!

he would murder his would oppose every clan!

The guy was straight wadaani and bunch of qabilist people who won overthrow him are know writing lies!

infact read the UN report!

The SRC took its toughest political stance in the campaign to break down the solidarity of the lineage groups. Tribalism was condemned as the most serious impediment to national unity. Siad Barre denounced tribalism in a wider context as a "disease" obstructing development not only in Somalia, but also throughout the Third World. The government meted out prison terms and fines for a broad category of proscribed activities classified as tribalism. Traditional headmen, whom the democratic government had paid a stipend, were replaced by reliable local dignitaries known as "peacekeepers" (nabod doan), appointed by Mogadishu to represent government interests. Community identification rather than lineage affiliation was forcefully advocated at orientation centers set up in every district as the foci of local political and social activity. For example, the SRC decreed that all marriage ceremonies should occur at an orientation center. Siad Barre presided over these ceremonies from time to time and contrasted the benefits of socialism to the evils he associated with tribalism.

To increase production and control over the nomads, the government resettled 140,000 nomadic pastoralists in farming communities and in coastal towns, where the erstwhile herders were encouraged to engage in agriculture and fishing.

• By dispersing the nomads and severing their ties with the land to which specific clans made collective claim, the government may also have undercut clan solidarity. In many instances, real improvement in the living conditions of resettled nomads was evident, but despite government efforts to eliminate it, clan consciousness as well as a desire to return to the nomadic life persisted.

Concurrent SRC attempts to improve the status of Somali women were unpopular in a traditional Muslim society, despite Siad Barre's argument that such reforms were consonant with Islamic principles[/b].

despite the guys effort in banning clan! his stubborn People want to continue being qabil and wanted to return to nomadic life!

YOu isaaqs need to revise ur own life and ur own worth f-king qabil propagators!

Afweyne is dead son. The Somali people overthrew him and sent to him to exile. He was a tribalist dictator who destroyed the closest the Somali people came to building a nation and the brotherhood between tribes, all because he was a shortsighted jaahil surrounded by his top leeching of the somali state. I can back everyone of my claims with articles from human rights watch, but fuck u, fuck him and your history. I and my people worry about today and tomorrow

[SultanOrder]

What is the historical score settling you keep mentioning? I'm so confused? Who was settling scores with whom?

The historical battering that the Dhulbahnte/Ogaden endured at the hands of the Isaaq's. The goal was using the Somali state resources, reclaiming back any lands lost, and/or gain more land..

@ historical battering. It's hilarious you consider camel raiding as battering, the most significant battles that took place in the north for centuries is the fights between the dervish movement and the English. There is nothing historical about reer hebel fighting reer hebel over grazing lands ama camels.

Your TOL are fighting in Kismayo for the same exact reason my friend. Don't play dumb with us because your Masiah's legacy is on trial. The Dhulbahnte wanted Burco and then Ogaden Hargeisa. Need we really play this game OP....

I'm sure that there was those that did use the state for clan reasons. But, I reject it was a state policy from top to bottom. The state was actually overwhelmed with refugee relocation, and not only where they put in the north, but all over the country.

[SonofANomad]

The historical scores -> the belief that Dhulbahanate/Ogaden suffered at the hands of colonialists because of Isaaq hence the revision to fit that narrative and to portray my clan as Somalidiid (ironically the word used to describe us/Somaliland today) and Gaalo raac . The villifaction of Isaaq made it possible to wage a war on my clan in the 80's and ''punish'' them for the things they allegedly did.

It's known that Afweyne himself suffered from inferiority complex against Isaaq, whom he often referred to as arrogant while saying they should be punished.


SonOfNomad,


Afweyne was a puppet to the Sovietunion. They endorsed the literacy campaign. They started training the Somali army in 1961 (8 years before Afweyne), they financed projects aimed at improving infrastructure and the agricultural sector. They built the ports and improved the airports.

When they abandoned Afweyne in 1978, his true nature revealed itself to the public and 13 years later he was overthrown.

Another lie being told! YOu isaaqs were terrorist killing the gadabursi clan and going around attacking govt officials as well as helping Ethiopian communist regime! and harboring spies!



The only thing he did was defend his own people against qabilist extremist terrorist isaaqs aka SNM!!


Secondly he was not a puppet for soviet instead pretty was known for setting super power against super power and exploiting them for support and benefit! he was very clever that way!

This communist socialist crap was all an act which he used to exploit superpowers and have soviets support!

There are no allies in politics! Everyone work according to their own interests! Siad barres own people went against him after the ogaden war becuz they were poluted by foreigners!

The ethiopia armed isaaqs with weapons and then on isaaqs puppets fighting ethiopias battle then USC was armed by Treblemaker Robert B. Oakley Died: Dec10,he army the USC Aydiid & help overthrow of the H.E Siad Barre

What does it mean when his own people attack in his weakest hour? no loyalty its pure qabili mindset somalis have were they cannot stand another somali being above them! they rather let a foreinger ruled them! instead of their own brother!

Save me isaaq revisionist bull!