LOL - Somali bantu spills it all:)

[gedo_gurl]

Somalia was very anti-Apartheid and anti colonialism in Africa. We do feel empathy towards other Africans. However things have changed since then. Other black Africans are usually Christian and sadly this translates into anti Muslim. In Kenya, South Africa and I'm sure elsewhere, Somalis are targeted violently either by the public or by police. We're singled out all the time and this 'Arab' label is the perfect sheild in post colonial Africa. Other Africans don't see us as native to Africa no matter how dark skinned we are so why is it a problem when a minority of Somalis chime similar sentiments?

[bareento]

wow!
The guy is funny!
I dont believe Somalis r against being called Africans...mostly they dont care
What they r against is being identified as blacks;
Let us be honest people mostly want to identify with those they perceive as better off.
In somali case, they have some reasons allbeit tiny to believe they have Arab connection and hang on that!

I know that there r a whole Bantu tribes in Cameroon and Nigeria who claim coming from Mombasa etc...just because their
ethnic name sounds like it. If they had any chance they will claim another origins.
Hundreds of millions muslims of indian subcontinents would like to be identified as descendents of Turkish/afghan conquerers whereas they had
overwhelmingly hindu ancestors.

Siyad Baarree failed where Mangistu succeeded in abolishing the perception of the masses on minorities and those considered as slaves!
Mangistu completely annihilated the whole generation of those espousing the toxic ideas similar to the somali "jereer" "addoon" etc etc

B.

[gedo_gurl]

Siyad Barre did try to abolish it. Lakiin yaa maqlaayey.

[iandi]

Somalia was very anti-Apartheid and anti colonialism in Africa. We do feel empathy towards other Africans. However things have changed since then. Other black Africans are usually Christian and sadly this translates into anti Muslim. In Kenya, South Africa and I'm sure elsewhere, Somalis are targeted violently either by the public or by police. We're singled out all the time and this 'Arab' label is the perfect sheild in post colonial Africa. Other Africans don't see us as native to Africa no matter how dark skinned we are so why is it a problem when a minority of Somalis chime similar sentiments?

Right, it looks like more and more the feelings are becoming mutual...i.e. the rest of africa see somalis as arabs and not africans and somalis not having any kind of affinity to other africans and other afro descendants in the diaspora....infact hostility between the two is most evident. Begs the chicken or the egg argument as to which one came first.

I think all of this is ok though as again i think much of the world would have been ignorant to this were it not for the internet and the vociferous writings of somalis all over it. It is all quite messy at times because you do have somali opinions that run the gamut but by and large it is clear where most of them stand, they are muslim first and everything else after....so their empathy, connective-ness, affinity, affiliation are all dictated by this. In some ways given the demonization of muslims around the world today it can be seen as admirable that somalis are so devoted.

The only time that i will take exception is when individuals who have decided that they didn't want to tow the line and wanted to blaze their own individual trails are ganged up on and called all kinds of names....that and the demonization of other groups particularly blacks creates an unnecessary layer of animosity that perverts, clouds and takes away from the nobility of the dominant somali point of view.

[iandi]

wow!
The guy is funny!
I dont believe Somalis r against being called Africans...mostly they dont care
What they r against is being identified as blacks;
Let us be honest people mostly want to identify with those they perceive as better off.
In somali case, they have some reasons allbeit tiny to believe they have Arab connection and hang on that!

I know that there r a whole Bantu tribes in Cameroon and Nigeria who claim coming from Mombasa etc...just because their
ethnic name sounds like it. If they had any chance they will claim another origins.
Hundreds of millions muslims of indian subcontinents would like to be identified as descendents of Turkish/afghan conquerers whereas they had
overwhelmingly hindu ancestors.

Siyad Baarree failed where Mangistu succeeded in abolishing the perception of the masses on minorities and those considered as slaves!
Mangistu completely annihilated the whole generation of those espousing the toxic ideas similar to the somali "jereer" "addoon" etc etc

B.

Right! Identifying with those "perceived" as better off is definitely part of the equation here. Although it is not as defacto in the west as you may think as there are those who deliberately empathize and feel connected to the disenfranchized and the subjugated....and these are people with options. For example in the west you will find examples everywhere of people who are half white and half black who identifies more with their black side...the underdog...even if they can pass as not being black. Many find a nobility with identifying with a struggle. I suppose it gives their lives purpose. This dynamic will be something totally foreign to groups like somalis who by and large were born into a country of conflict amongst the different groups, poverty and other struggles of their own that they have to face.

[gedo_gurl]

Somalia was very anti-Apartheid and anti colonialism in Africa. We do feel empathy towards other Africans. However things have changed since then. Other black Africans are usually Christian and sadly this translates into anti Muslim. In Kenya, South Africa and I'm sure elsewhere, Somalis are targeted violently either by the public or by police. We're singled out all the time and this 'Arab' label is the perfect sheild in post colonial Africa. Other Africans don't see us as native to Africa no matter how dark skinned we are so why is it a problem when a minority of Somalis chime similar sentiments?

Right, it looks like more and more the feelings are becoming mutual...i.e. the rest of africa see somalis as arabs and not africans and somalis not having any kind of affinity to other africans and other afro descendants in the diaspora....infact hostility between the two is most evident. Begs the chicken or the egg argument as to which one came first.

I think all of this is ok though as again i think much of the world would have been ignorant to this were it not for the internet and the vociferous writings of somalis all over it. It is all quite messy at times because you do have somali opinions that run the gamut but by and large it is clear where most of them stand, they are muslim first and everything else after....so their empathy, connective-ness, affinity, affiliation are all dictated by this. In some ways given the demonization of muslims around the world today it can be seen as admirable that somalis are so devoted.

The only time that i will take exception is when individuals who have decided that they didn't want to tow the line and wanted to blaze their own individual trails are ganged up on and called all kinds of names....that and the demonization of other groups particularly blacks creates an unnecessary layer of animosity that perverts, clouds and takes away from the nobility of the dominant somali point of view.

You totally lost me (you're not being clear) and I think you might have misread what I wrote.

[iandi]

You totally lost me (you're not being clear) and I think you might have misread what I wrote.

Sorry if i wasn't clear. I usually type and post pretty quickly without re-reading. I was just saying that your point of view makes sense.

[SahanGalbeed]

This is Africa


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2011 ... .html?_r=0

[SahanGalbeed]

http://safaritalk.net/uploads/gallery/a ... 254540.jpg
An arab in Tchad ^
http://saharareporters.com/sites/defaul ... k=-Ph0de51
An arab in Nigeria ^

[jalaaludin5]

Horta soomalidan carabta claimgareysa ee hadh iyo habeen la hadalhayo, halkey joogaan?

ninkan platform uu ku ciilbaxo ayu heley...YOU DO NOT HAVE AN IDENTITY kulaha....the way he said it told its own story.
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Jalaludin: Labo nin ba Carabnimida aad uu campaign gareeye: Cumar Carte Ghalib iyo MSB iyaga oo sheegta iney asal ahan ka soo jeeda Carabta.

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arin siyasadeed oo arab league ujeedo looga laha bey ahayd.

These people who are obsessed with "somali who claim arabs" are not talking about ina carte nor msb. They mean everyday somalis and one will be forgiven to assume we claim arab in our everyday life ....that we tell people we are arab and not somali, and when it comes to the ethnicity box we always tick Dhagcas!

The gaal iska yeel crew admire and worship everything saancadaale does.
Gaalnimo is the new normal, and their baseless accusation (of arab lovers) is a sign of their desperation and futile attempt to have... their perceived love for arabs....turned to a...love for saancadale iyo khuraafadkiisa.

They will agree with this jareer guy accusing somali of Arab love, not because he has a point but because they would have preferred it was instead saancadale love. And they kick themselves for not been so.
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