Did Pre-1991 Somalis have more Class than present day Somalis?

[Djiboutian]

Are they watching tennis?

Sure you never saw woman wearing jilbab in your xagag bax time. Barigi Siyaad Barre dalka haystay gabadha shalmada lagu arku waa lagu tuuri jiray jilbabka hadalkiisa daa.

Teachers have been asked to show off their faces in Djibouti for security reason. Plenty of women wear jilbab nowadays.

[jalaaludin5]

Are they watching tennis?

Sure you never saw woman wearing jilbab in your xagag bax time. Barigi Siyaad Barre dalka haystay gabadha shalmada lagu arku waa lagu tuuri jiray jilbabka hadalkiisa daa.

Teachers have been asked to show off their faces in Djibouti for security reason. Plenty of women wear jilbab nowadays.

That's what I was trying to say. How time changed and that change came from the fall of the last regime in Somalia.

Reer jabuuti are not too big on jilbab. At least not like SL and Somalia.

But about the black Cabaaya? Isn't that also a new addition?
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[Grant]

1966.

[AbdiWahab252]

Pre1991 we were cool people and truly Somali: focus on survival and practical matters. After the wars, the Rasputins showed up peddling opiate of a better life after this world instead of trying to fix this one. The entire nation became fiends and would do anything for their daily fix. Some sacrificed their lives to achieve entry to the nirvana peddled by the skirt wearing Rasputins.

In the old days, only survival mattered. The camel was the most precious item. It kept millions alive and it was valued above all else. We were worshippers of this blessed beast

[CaliQase]

Pre1991 we were cool people and truly Somali: focus on survival and practical matters. After the wars, the Rasputins showed up peddling opiate of a better life after this world instead of trying to fix this one. The entire nation became fiends and would do anything for their daily fix. Some sacrificed their lives to achieve entry to the nirvana peddled by the skirt wearing Rasputins.

In the old days, only survival mattered. The camel was the most precious item. It kept millions alive and it was valued above all else. We were worshippers of this blessed beast

Adeer dhalada iska dhig!

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Pre1991 we were cool people and truly Somali: focus on survival and practical matters. After the wars, the Rasputins showed up peddling opiate of a better life after this world instead of trying to fix this one. The entire nation became fiends and would do anything for their daily fix. Some sacrificed their lives to achieve entry to the nirvana peddled by the skirt wearing Rasputins.

In the old days, only survival mattered. The camel was the most precious item. It kept millions alive and it was valued above all else. We were worshippers of this blessed beast

Adeer dhalada iska dhig!

[Methylamine]

Lol of course the usual suspects are seen in this thread

[Hyperactive]

good discussion, very civilized. not totally agree here but i like the train of thinking here both CaliQase and The Future.

many moons ago my sister asked me " can i pray in my room without hijab?" i asked what makes you think of that? she said "cause I am standing front of Allah when i pray and give respect and thank to him, he can see me under the cloth, so how one can cover from God"

i understood how her train of thinking going, she was thinking, if hijab is to cover "your beauty, be modest or what ever from strange men, why cover from God.

i encoureged her to continue to think and ask as much questions and do not scare of no body to ask. love it.

one has to consider the circumferences and the audiance all the time.

Where do you stand on this one?

where i stand is mine and it's not shar'a(my qool is not shar'a) . while we're in it let us first know what some scholars point of veiw (point; i really hate people who say, sheikh/scholar said this or that, instead Allah said this or that and prophet!)

Hanafia said: the whole body of woman is "owrah" except her "inside her hand/baatin hand, same her feet" in salat.

Shafi'etyah said; all woman's body is "awrah" except hand and face, both salat or outside salat.

Hanabila said same as shafi'ea, except they said" free woman/7orah" face only! (where is slave woman now!!)

Malikia said (my own madhab) ; they divide woman's "owrah" in salat to two; "awrah ghaleedah" and "mokhafafah" if i direct translate would be ..awrada adag iyo tan khafifka ah. the adag wa all body except arms, legs, back and the chest area except breasts.

the"owrah mokhafafah" is chest, back, arms, from knees until end of feet, dace, hands and feet not "awrah" at all.

so Almalika says, who showed their " hard Awrah" with affording to cover her prayers is "batilah" and needs to redo it.
if she shows her "awra mokhafadfah wich is; hair, chest, whole arms, from knees to down" her salat is is "not batilah" but " it's haraam or makrooh" but she doesnt have to redo it. he added, men shouldnt look at her. it's "better/ma7abab/recommended" to cover it and redo it when she covers it. for Almalikiyah, it's different than "libaas alshar'i or term we use these day as woman's hijab"

God knows best.

[Hyperactive]

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Kuwa qamarka xirta hadana tight or revealing clothing wato wax ka deh arintaa. It is mostly a nonsomali phenomena oo usually its done by wadama anaga diinta sii fiican nooga badiyo

i cannot judge what people wear but libaas shar'a or hijab should be modest and shouldn't be transparent/kafiif or tight that shows body details.

[PanSomaliNationalist]

I miss the good old days Wallahi.

[hangool79]

I'd say compared those lovely pictures and peoples, too many somalis today look fat, guban black, full of scars, ninja clothing, look dirty, look like they understand nothing of the modern world,

my two cent, look at this image, I hate to be rude, but that sleepy look, a fly in the face, ninja outfit, chubby (unhealthy) we have a problem,

https://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files ... k=2nasvTwn

[Khalid Ali]

abdi wahaab is right on the money

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

The problem is simple. Many Reer Miyi were airlifted from refugee camps straight to N.America/Europe. Their impressionable minds couldn't cope with the sudden change of environment and were subsequently lost on what to wear. Being simple folk, which I don't blame them for, they were split into two groups, both without any sense of class.

1) Reer Waalan 5%
2) Reer Dhaqankaada iyo diintaada ilaasho 95%

The first group attempted to fit in with disastrous consequence (think of SomaliSpot)


The second group tried their best to adapt albeit the many challenges they faced. Wearing Arab-styled clothing to preserve Deen is kind of stupid though, it's not even sunnah to wear Gulf clothing. The Sunnah is to wear modest clothing.

This combined with a stubborn Reer Miyi mentality has destroyed the reputation of the Reer Magaal Somali.

All in all, the unfortunate phenomenon of a certain segment of the Somali population gaining the notorious reputation of having no class is the direct result of the civil war.

[Adali]

The problem is simple. Many Reer Miyi were airlifted from refugee camps straight to N.America/Europe. Their impressionable minds couldn't cope with the sudden change of environment and were subsequently lost on what to wear. Being simple folk, which I don't blame them for, they were split into two groups, both without any sense of class.

1) Reer Waalan 5%
2) Reer Dhaqankaada iyo diintaada ilaasho 95%

The first group attempted to fit in with disastrous consequence (think of SomaliSpot)


The second group tried their best to adapt albeit the many challenges they faced. Wearing Arab-styled clothing to preserve Deen is kind of stupid though, it's not even sunnah to wear Gulf clothing. The Sunnah is to wear modest clothing.

This combined with a stubborn Reer Miyi mentality has destroyed the reputation of the Reer Magaal Somali.

All in all, the unfortunate phenomenon of a certain segment of the Somali population gaining the notorious reputation of having no class is the direct result of the civil war.

I agree with this so much, there are really not a massive difference between Somalis but we all knew who were reer miyi/baadiyo and who were reer magaal, the latter always had more class and grace, while the prior had their charms aswell but were not well read in the ways of the world.

Imagine our society have been penetrated by foreign idealogies like arab supremacy cloaked in Islam, as well as BS western liberalism and gaalo mentality. This has caused so much confusion.

One of the ways out of this is sticking to our unity, somali identity and clamping down on anything foreign.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]