ISRAELI AND ARABS ELUSIVE PEACE--PROGRAMME BBC2. Did U watch

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Arabs and Israelis and how they will go on killing each other for the next hundred thousand years.

[B-MAX]

Then why are we having sleepless nights here?
Let them kill each other then!

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Good point

[B-MAX]

I rest my case!

[mizz_chief]

DD, u are confused, coz u babbling nonsense, ok deal with it.. no need for cyber threats

hey B Max, well said, rest your case no point really, dont waste your energy saxiib..

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

B-Max' case had a point. Essentially it came down to this. The Israelis and Pelstinians are idiots. Let them kill each other to their hearts content. And you know what, the brother is right.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="B-MAX"]Faggot-dheere.

1. Palastine=Palestinians=arabs!
Those Arabs are called Palestinians and they lived on their land known as Palastine and not Jewish land! The Jews invaded them after WW2 by the help of Britain and USA.

2. Jews and Christians were MINORITIES in Palestine before 1948! Got it? And today Jews are the MAJORITY in Palestine which is called Israel now!

3. Bingo! Now, Your blah blah of Jews occupying empty desert land and transforming it into Heaven on earth that made Millions of Arabs to migrate to has simple vanished into thin the air.

4. What sparked those Tensions? It was Clear someone was plundering Arabs land.

5. Why? What went wrong here? Why the Hate?
I think you meant to say Arabs were loosing their lands.

6. That was his biggest mistake he made. Siding with the loosing block!
It was a political move to regain his land that was stolen by the ever growing Jewish Parasites from Europe.

7. Bring your evidence that Muslim Governments were ethinic cleansing Jews.

8. Why were you asking those stupid questions about if there are any Jews and Synagogues in Muslims Countries?

9. This explains why your stupidity got no boundaries.
Which Arab nation was moving to Israel? The Yemenis,the Saudis,Omanis,Tunisians,Libyans,Morocans,Algerians,Iraqis.
The only Arabs who live in todays Israel is the left-overs of that Conflict between Palestinias and the Jews.Period. They're not Jordania or Syrians
or Egyptians!

10. Those Arabs you're talking about are Palestinians under Israeli Occupation. They're living in many refugee Camps in their own land. Surrounded by Jewish State.[/quote]

ALL the inhabitants of historical palastine (Ottaman province roughly the size of modern Isreal + occupied terroriteries) were called palastinians. Whether they were jews, arabs, muslim, christians and from other religions or races (ie druzes and armenians). So the term palastinians was not synonymous with arabs. You need to acquint urself with history.

Prior to the heavy influx of jews into the 'promised land,' there was little problem with between arabs and jews. That all changed at the turn of the 20th century when jewish imigration dramatically picked up. You attribute this animosity that fermented to jews kicking muslims out of their lands. But how could that be? The jews had no powers, they weren't the rulers of historical palastine. They were mere immigrants, unarmed and powerless civilians. They had no means to kick anyone out, neither did the arabs or christians cause the ppl with the such powers were first the Ottamans and later the Brits. It is only after Isreal became independent that they wrongfully kicked out arabs from their lands as arabs and muslims kicked jews out of their rightful homes in Syria, Iran, Iraq, Egypt....

If a jew owned a land, a house or car in historical palastine, he acquired them LEGALLY. He paid money for them. That was the case for the early jewish migrants. They bought land -- farm land, alot of it --, houses and other properties. Most of them to this day have legal documentation to prove their rightful ownership.

But arab attacks and hate propaganda started long before Isreal was formed. When the jews didn't rule or harm any arab and peacefully co-existed and lived with them. So what was the reason for arab resentment and hate for the jews, who upto that point had done nothing wrong to justify arab attitudes towards them? Arabs started attacking jews--civilians-- before a single arab was attacked by a jew. They started attacking farmers and kicked out jews out of their homes who lived in isolated locales. These attacks became so frequent that they gave rise to the creation of jewish terrorist groups like the Haganah and Irgun. Thanks to the smart arabs these jewish terrorist groups started avenging jewish killings by arab civilians and later extended their compaign of terror to the British.

Arabs resented jewish immigration to historical palastine cause they hold atavistic hate for the jewish ppl, ancient gripe of sorts of you will. It is this never ending hate for jews by arabs going back to pre-Islamic era and later became Islamic hate for jews that is the source of modern animosities. This is the reason why muslims as far away as Indonesia will get all riled up and furious about the daily goings in palastine but remain indifferent and eerily silent to far greater maladies in Darfur or Chechnya. Why? Cause Islam is heavly influenced by arabs. Arabs hate jews, muslims must therefore hate jews as well.

[dhuusa_deer]

[quote="mizz_chief"]
hey B Max, well said, rest your case no point really, dont waste your energy saxiib..[/quote]

Yeah, that is really good advice missy. Like democrats are wasting their time talking to republicans. Conservatives to Liberals. Communists to right wingers. Muslims to christians. Arabs to jews. Hindus to Sikhs. Hawiyes to Isaaqs. Isaaqs to daroods.

disappointed in you missy, really

[DamallaXagare]

[quote="B-MAX"][quote="DamallaXagare"]
That land was promised to both the children of Abraham(Ishmael$ Isaac),whom Arabs and Jews are descendants of and also are known as Semites. Haven't you seen Jewish crying that the ANTI-SEMITISM HAS INCREASED IN MIDDLE EAST so that they can get more Arsenals from USA?[/quote]




I see what you are saying and we do concur with each other except few misunderstanding. You and dhuusadheer 's argument centered on the right of either society to live seperately, but you BMAx were specifically emphasizing the occupation of Jews on Palestinian land and how they conquered easily and took over the Palestinian. I believe and still believe, aside from the polemical confrontaton between the two sides, both Jews and Arabs are descendents of Abraham and they both have exclusive rights to claim their holy lands , but the problem comes when one race doesn't leave for the other a fair share of land. That had been the source of conflict. In the past, Palestinians were too aggressive and reluctant to give up one piece of land but today they are ready to compromise. However, as the conflict exacerpates day after day, the dream for a Palestine state will be a dead dream. Have you read the book "Orientalism"?. What a influential book sxb still 25 years after its first publication.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

The Arabs have always waited intil it's too late. They could have had nice, secure, 1967 boundaries - Syria would have had the Golan, The Palestinians would have had the west bank and Gaza, there would have been no settlements. But nope, they decided they didn't want peace, they wanted victory. Then in 1973 they confirmed the Jews worst fears with an attack that threatened their very survival as a state. The Jews who maintained the position of "the west bank and Golan can never be given back to the the Arabs, because we need the buffer land to secure ourselves against invasion" then all said "I told you so" to the faction that did want to give the land back. From that point on, the objective of the settlements was to make it impossible to give the land back when labor took control of the government. The Palestinians can no longer have the deal that was available in 67. Just like in 67 they couldn't have the deal that was available in 47. They are always reaching for a deal that is no longer obtainable.

[DamallaXagare]

"When i had the power and resources, i wasn't blessed with the wisdom to envision opportunities , now that i have the wisdom and knowledge, i have no power and influence" A Somali proverb.



Arabs lost some great opportunities. Mad Mac, did i spark your say?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Yep

[optimist_1]

Dhuusa[quote]But arab attacks and hate propaganda started long before Isreal was formed. When the jews didn't rule or harm any arab and peacefully co-existed and lived with them. So what was the reason for arab resentment and hate for the jews, who upto that point had done nothing wrong to justify arab attitudes towards them? Arabs started attacking jews--civilians-- before a single arab was attacked by a jew. They started attacking farmers and kicked out jews out of their homes who lived in isolated locales. These attacks became so frequent that they gave rise to the creation of jewish terrorist groups like the Haganah and Irgun. Thanks to the smart arabs these jewish terrorist groups started avenging jewish killings by arab civilians and later extended their compaign of terror to the British. [/quote]

Have u ever read about Sharon violence?

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Optimist
I don't think anyone is saying the Israelis are the good guys, the Arab the bad guys. But let's face it, the majority of the Palestinians do not think Israel has a right to exist. The Majority of Israelis are willing to accept a two-state solution. There's no getting around that.

[optimist_1]

The british impregnated Jews. They were part of the apartheid in South Africa along with the Dutch.

1.Discrimation of Religion
2.Discrimation of Race

These Western Goverment are corrupt.

Nowadays people are seperated because of their wealth a new spin.

The Western policy aint working. Down with it