Farmaajos second term hopes smashed by Kheyre

[sahal80]

we have been explaining this before go back to the old threads!

so things happened as kheyre planned in retaliation Farmaajo rejected current parliament getting extended two years and voting for president. this would have helped kheyre since he already has 70 ministers who are mps at the same time that would have been enought to put him in the second round.

my theory on Kheyre and JL may come to fruition. Farmaajo got only 14 months so there is no time for JL we already have Galmudug and Hirshsbelle(october next year) elections who must elect their federal mps so who is gonna elect JL mps? kenya and ethiopia are fighting on Gedo let alone Kismaayo. Kenya has invited ONLF to meet Ahmed Madoobe! it looks like kenya wants to export the problem to jigjiga!

if Kheyre makes a deal with Kenya and JL besides Hirshabelle and Galmudug definitely N&N waa lagu kala baxaa oo mid baa reerka u hari!

but the good thing is neither of them can win.

https://www.hiiraan.com/news/2019/Nov/w ... 162631.htm


message from my friend.
"The president should be elected by both chambers of the parliament ( the upper house and the lower house)
2- the lower house will be elected through a First-past-the-post voting (FPTP) model. The 4.5 system will remain and each Jufo's mp will be elected by regional voters. The parties will nominate candidates for each subclan's MP, the candidate with the highest number of votes will win.
3- Banadir will mostly likely remain without representation in the upper house as before.

Farmaajo is not happy with the parliamentary committee's revision of the electoral law and the new proposal.
Khayre is pushing this revision and the new proposal by the parliamentary committee.
According to key Mucaarad politicians, Khayre will be running for president in 2020 and wants MPs to elect the president not a direct presidential election. Farmaajo is insisting on a direct presidential election and fighting tooth and nail to make it happen.

On the other hand, I also heard that the parliamentary committee suggested an extension of parliament's mandate and the election of new president by the current parliament so the new government will lead the country to one man one vote. However, Farmaajo rejected it saying that either the parliament's and the president's mandates will be extended or NO extention at all.







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Qodobkan ayaa u ogolaanaya in madaxweynaha iyo baarlamanka ay muddo laba sano ah waqtiga kororsadaan, haddii dalka ay ka dhici weyso doorasho sababo jira awgood. Sababaha la xusay ee doorashada ay ku baaqan karto ayaa waxaa ka mid ah amni-darro baahsan, dillaaca cudurada la is-qaadsiiyo, abaaro, daadad, duufaanno iyo wax kasta oo lagu qeexi karo musiibo qaran.


Guddiga ayaa go’aamiyey in wax ka badan 6 bilood oo ah waqti kordhin farsamo aan la siin karin madaxweynaha iyo baarlamanka. Taasi waxay noqon kartaa haddii arrimo farsamo ay u saamixi waayaan guddiga doorashooyinka qaranka in doorashooyinka ay ku dhacaan waqtigooda.

Guddiga ayaa sidoo kale go’aamiyey in xildhibaanada cusub ee baarlamanka ay deegaanad ay kasoo jeedaan kasoo doortaan shacabka ayaga oo adeegsanaya nidaamka qof iyo cod ee doorashada deegaanada badan (Multi constituency), oo macnaheedu yahay in xildhibaan kasta laga soo dooranayo deegaan doorashadiisa iyo maamul goboleedkiisa.


Tani waxay meesha ka saartay rabitaankii Villa Somalia ee ahaa in dhammaan xildhibaanada laga sooo doorto hal deegaan doroasho (Single constituency), taasi oo u saamixi lahayd inay dad taageersaan meel isugu keento, oo ay u codeeyaan dadka rabto kaliya.

[sahal80]

Farmaajo has appointed his foreign afairs adviser balal cusman(mx) to his envoy to the red sea and the gulf of aden. this move is seen as a replacement for the current FM who will be changed by kheyre in a coming reshuffle.

this has to do with exterior campaign and support as the new FM will be pro Kheyre.


https://somaliinfo.com/madaxweyne-farma ... xil-cusub/

[Voltage]

I think it is time for a lesson on causation vs. correlation



LITERALLY THIS IS EXACTLY LIKE IT WAS THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS SINCE THE "POST-TRANSITION"

We know what is going to happen.

1. There will NOT be 1 man/1 vote.
2. There will NOT be extension for any ELECTED government entities; whether Parliament or Pres (PM is selected by Pres so irrelevant to this)

NEITHER of those things will happen for the same reasons it did not happen the last two times;

1. Somalia's situation does not allow for 1 man/1 vote (for goodnessake they do NOT even have the resources or operation to do a census----how can you do 1man/1man if you DON'T even know how many people to expect?).

2. Somalia's situation does not allow for any extension of ELECTED government entities (by law extension can ONLY occur if Election Commission asks for 2 month and then a 4 month technical extension----there is NO LEGAL PATHWAY for government entities to get an extension).

So Sahal, NICE TRY.

There are certain things we KNOW WILL HAPPEN and you are trying to take those things WE KNOW WILL HAPPEN and trying to make it about some loss of influence by Farmaajo using CORRELATION tactics.

If Farmaajo is publicly advocating for 1 man/1 vote...that is the OFFICIAL position of EVERY GOVERNMENT SINCE THE END OF TRANSITION.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the UN and donor countries.

That is the OFFICIAL position of the Electoral Commission headed by Halima Yareey.

However, WE ALL KNOW 1 MAN/1 VOTE WILL NOT HAPPEN. WE HAVE KNOWN IT YESTERDAY. WE HAVE KNOWN IT LAST WEEK. WE HAVE KNOWN IT LAST YEAR. WE HAVE KNOWN IT DURING HASSAN SHEEKH GOVERNMENT. ETC ETC ETC.

Even before you face the reality you can't do it, the government has to first change the CONSTITUTION which right now says

1. Parliament (Upper and Lower House) choose Pres
2. The voting is based on 4.5

I don't know what mumbo jumbo you put together about Kheyre liking what parliament revision. THIS IS WHAT THE CONSTITUTION SAYS NOW.

The Parliament is having a draft election law come in either December or January.

If they continue with what CONSTITUTION says now, they have just admitted to the UN and donor countries the truth; that the Somalia cannot do 1man/1vote next election.

If they change the CONSTITUTION to imply proportional representation/1man 1 vote then it means the donor countries and UN have twisted their arm.

You literally remove "Farmaajo" from the picture and the government is facing the same situation it did under Hassan Sheekh;

"Officially" it is supposed to be working towards 1man/1man but that is absolutely impossible technically, operationally, etc.

In the end WE ALL KNOW, 1man/1vote will not happen and WE ALL KNOW there will be no extension for Pres OR Par; there is no legal pathway for extension for any government entity.

You took things that are CORRELATED and tried to make them CAUSE each other;

NICE TRY.

[Murax]

Funny I read the title of the thread, and knew exactly who opened the thread

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting gubataaa.

[Voltage]

Xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting gubataaa.

*Abkoow do not get mad as the following is not personal.*

The above is a prime example of the type of misinformation problem that has wreaked havoc on the Somali people.

This is reflected in both Goofyare guy who is cited as well as Abkoow who cited him and out of nowhere linked Farmaajo supporters.

This is the present draft Federal Constitution that has governed Somalia from 2012 to now;

http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/research/Somal ... on2012.pdf

In page 28, Article 89 dealing with the Election of President

Section 2 and Section 5(B) both make it clear;

1. The person being elected is an INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE
2. His sole threshold (beyond regular qualifications like is he a citizen) is being nominated by at least 20 MPs
3. He wins if he gets 2/3 of votes of Parliament

When applied, both Hassan Sheekh and Farmaajo won election this way.

WHERE IS THE QODOB "MEESHA LAGA SAARAY" THAT SAYS THE PERSON ELECTED PRESIDENT IS THE PERSON WHO HEADS THE PARTY THAT WINS?

To "take something out", doesn't it HAVE TO EXIST TO BEGIN WITH?

WHERE has Somalia voted by Parties?

Where have Hassan Sheekh and Farmaajo previously won election because a party "they head" won parliamentary seats?

LITERALLY NO WHERE.

These ignorant, illiterate people (not you personally Abkoow) somehow came to understand that IN NORMAL PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACIES;

-Parties go into an election like the Labour and Tories in the UK
-If the Tories win, then someone like David Cameron who leads them becomes Prime Minister (or head of government for UK)

They literally took that true concept in almost all other parliamentary democracies and concocted some fake, misinformation that has nothing to do with Somalia, never existed, and says absolutely nothing about Farmaajo and his supporters.

[sahal80]

Xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting gubataaa.

N&N dhawaan waa kala baxee

Kheyre-Mursal-Muudey-khadijo diriye vs Farmaajo-Fahad yasin-

Muudey was against Farah abdulqadir why fahad yasin? reerow hassan have two kursi no problem for mudeey he bwlongs to reer aw nuur a mix of cadcad and jareers based in afgooye fahad and farah belong to reer aw cilmi iyo reerow aw mahdi in ethiopia around hiiraan they fight on their seat but it looks like muudeey empowers himself with kheyre since fahad is the man behind farmaajo he doesnt wanna relay on him.


according to my friend farmaajo is regreting omar finish who is not attacking mucaaradka verbally.

"i agree with you sxb, Fahad Yaasiin backed both Shariif and Hassan and they showed him the middle finger after they won. That is why Fahad is suspicious of Hawiye, particularly Hiraab president.

Although some of my friends say he is in bed with Farmaajo, I doubt if Khayre could mess Farmaajo election plan without the help of Fahad. Khayre, the speaker Mursal, and Muudeey are in one camp. Why Muudeey Reer Aw Xassan and close friend of Fahad would side with Khayre? I think Fahad's position will be clear in the next few days

I also heard that Farmaajo and Cumar Finish are not on good terms. Farmaajo is regretting his decision to appoint Finish as the mayor of Mogadishu. Unlike Yariisoow Finish has soft spot for the Mucaarad. Finish does not want to attack the mucaarad verbally as Yariisoow used to do. He does not also want to deal hard with Muuse Suude on the Mariino issue.

Yes, I heard rumors that Khayre will fire Sahalist Cawad but that will cause a direct confrontation between him and Farmaajo like when Yuulka fired and demoted some of XSM allies and sparked a direct confrontation between Yuuka and XSM- This is not the typical modus operendi of Khaacin Khayre kkkk"

[Voltage]

Does anybody know what they are talking about?

1. The President was ALWAYS going to be elected by Parliament.
2. The issue is how would Parliament ("Representatives") be elected;
-----A. Kheyre and Cabinet proposed Proportional Representation (we still have no idea how this would work)
-----B. The parliamentary committee stuck to what we have now except it is winner takes all ON FIRST ROUND
-----C. This means parliament has preserved 4.5

SO THEM HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY ENSHRINED 4.5?

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF THERE ARE REGIONS AND ENTIRE DISTRICTS UNDER SHABAB CONTROL?

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CENSUS OR LOGISTIC/OPERATIONAL CAPACITY TO RUN AN ELECTION AND CERTIFY?

Literally nothing has changed here EXCEPT that everything is decided in round 1 for Parliamentarian elections.

Do you guys speak English?

[Voltage]

Everything that is happening here is literally fancy NOTHING.

It is just meant to give cover to both the Somali authorities AND THE UN/DONORS for why they failed once again to have one man/one vote.

It is the same process that gave the Somali people;

-Elect a President through your representatives
-Have him name a PM who is unelected but selected by one person
-Have the said PM have constitutional powers that rival and even surpass the President

And then they are surprised when gridlock happened because Presidents who considered themselves more legitimate as the elected entity refused to turn everything over to selected PMs.

Some people only see Farmaajo and NN, but I would say mistakes made now in this important process that is being hurried by political considerations so both the Somali authorities AND the international com say "we tried" will come back to haunt us.

- 4.5 should not be enshrined
- Before legitimizing any system, plan a course of action that deals with SUFFRAGE (ability of people to vote)
-encourage the formation of political parties BEFORE winner takes all

[sahal80]

Does anybody know what they are talking about?

1. The President was ALWAYS going to be elected by Parliament.
2. The issue is how would Parliament ("Representatives") be elected;
-----A. Kheyre and Cabinet proposed Proportional Representation (we still have no idea how this would work)
-----B. The parliamentary committee stuck to what we have now except it is winner takes all ON FIRST ROUND
-----C. This means parliament has preserved 4.5

SO THEM HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF YOU HAVE ALREADY ENSHRINED 4.5?

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF THERE ARE REGIONS AND ENTIRE DISTRICTS UNDER SHABAB CONTROL?

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ONE MAN/ONE VOTE IF YOU DON'T HAVE A CENSUS OR LOGISTIC/OPERATIONAL CAPACITY TO RUN AN ELECTION AND CERTIFY?

Literally nothing has changed here EXCEPT that everything is decided in round 1 for Parliamentarian elections.

Do you guys speak English?

kkkk Voltage you dont follow siyaasada like we do and then you would jump in to comment some thing you have no clue about it. example you were claiming that you couldnt find the italian report of hiiraan funds when a somali woman wrote the article in la republica and interviewed with the Somali voa relying on official sources
then you said there is no Jamaal in this! jamal himself said he did not sing anything bc that is the last stage as planning minister he signs it and then allocates it to the ministry responsible...it was about the agriculture minister not cooperating with the funders since 2018 when hirshabelle state sent the request to these agencies bc waare knows them abd has worked for them before one if them is called some thing UN food. now the cabinet has approved a bill or the pro farmaajo sharciga doorashooyinka that states bla bla this was changed now. we have revealed before its was not common how kheyre has changed his mind and worked behind the curtains to sabotage this proposal. this gudi has pro kheyre and damjadiid elements like like ex security minister abdirisaaq omar so they cooperated secretly. believe it or not its up to you but let us have our say.

[Voltage]

kkkk Voltage you dont follow siyaasada like we do and then you would jump in to comment some thing you have no clue about it. example you were claiming that you couldnt find the italian report of hiiraan funds when a somali woman wrote the article in la republica and interviewed with the Somali voa relying on official sources
then you said there is no Jamaal in this! jamal himself said he did not sing anything bc that is the last stage as planning minister he signs it and then allocates it to the ministry responsible...it was about the agriculture minister not cooperating with the funders since 2018 when hirshabelle state sent the request to these agencies bc waare knows them abd has worked for them before one if them is called some thing UN food. now the cabinet has approved a bill or the pro farmaajo sharciga doorashooyinka that states bla bla this was changed now. we have revealed before its was not common how kheyre has changed his mind and worked behind the curtains to sabotage this proposal. this gudi has pro kheyre and damjadiid elements like like ex security minister abdirisaaq omar so they cooperated secretly. believe it or not its up to you but let us have our say.

Believe it or not Sahal, you are my definition of a "reer baadiye." (No insult and not you per se but what you represent).

I plan to open a topic about the "Beled-Weyne dam," but got sidetracked and it also opened me up to the ENTIRE UNDERPINNING of Western aid to Somalia.

For example; what they call "Beled-Weyne dam"

1. Is not for "Beled-Weyne" but for the "Shabelle Valley" and including many area points including up to Jowhar and Balcad
2. Is not for "Xawaadle" or "majority clans" but for riverine minority farmers (i.e. focus specifically was Makane and Shiidle communities to prevent them from becoming "IDPs in Mogadishu)
3. Is not about flood but about DROUGHT (Xasha lilaah these people ku laha a "dam" was being built)
4. Is small scale drought resiliency designed to help riverine farmers build "war" or water storage
5. Is not necessarily held up by the Somali Gov but has to do with AID BUREAUCRACY where the absolute aim of Western Aid has become preventing famine
6. Ku laha Ciid requested 2 million or send to another region etc...when ITALY DOES NOT GIVE MONEY TO THE SOMALI GOV. It goes in to a stability fund where (for this gov) Jamal and the UN Special Rep decide how to make use of that money in line with Gov Dev Plan and other stuff
7. I will be opening a broader topic

Dadka Soomaaliyeed waa iska reer baadiye caadi ah who understand nothing and just scream and yell.

This episode has once again taught me about the importance of having a very proactive information arm in the Somali gov.

For example why couldn't these people say ITALY DOES NOT GIVE US DIRECT MONEY. They put it into a stability fund overseen by the UN Special Rep who dishes it out for what and where?

Don't worry, I am not done researching this issue.

Naahti waalneed ee Soomaaliyeed who herself was taken out of context herself did not understand what the aid was for or that the Italian govt did not take it back---she was just making a broader point about why aid takes a long time to get to Somalia.

I was sent to blog (I was looking at Repubblica news articles) and given more expansive information by someone in Gov.

As for what you posted about the election; I don't know what to tell you since you linked a Twitter account saying Somalia will have proportional representation when the VERY NATURE of having "winner takes all" which is what parliament group decided is opposite to proportional representation .

The committee said Somalis had rejected the Proportional Representation Closed List proposed by the Cabinet on grounds it would interfere with the 4.5 clan based distribution of power.

https://hiiraan.com/news4/2019/Nov/1662 ... eport.aspx

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting gubataaa.

*Abkoow do not get mad as the following is not personal.*

The above is a prime example of the type of misinformation problem that has wreaked havoc on the Somali people.

This is reflected in both Goofyare guy who is cited as well as Abkoow who cited him and out of nowhere linked Farmaajo supporters.

This is the present draft Federal Constitution that has governed Somalia from 2012 to now;

http://hrlibrary.umn.edu/research/Somal ... on2012.pdf

In page 28, Article 89 dealing with the Election of President

Section 2 and Section 5(B) both make it clear;

1. The person being elected is an INDIVIDUAL CANDIDATE
2. His sole threshold (beyond regular qualifications like is he a citizen) is being nominated by at least 20 MPs
3. He wins if he gets 2/3 of votes of Parliament

When applied, both Hassan Sheekh and Farmaajo won election this way.

WHERE IS THE QODOB "MEESHA LAGA SAARAY" THAT SAYS THE PERSON ELECTED PRESIDENT IS THE PERSON WHO HEADS THE PARTY THAT WINS?

To "take something out", doesn't it HAVE TO EXIST TO BEGIN WITH?

WHERE has Somalia voted by Parties?

Where have Hassan Sheekh and Farmaajo previously won election because a party "they head" won parliamentary seats?

LITERALLY NO WHERE.

These ignorant, illiterate people (not you personally Abkoow) somehow came to understand that IN NORMAL PARLIAMENTARY DEMOCRACIES;

-Parties go into an election like the Labour and Tories in the UK
-If the Tories win, then someone like David Cameron who leads them becomes Prime Minister (or head of government for UK)

They literally took that true concept in almost all other parliamentary democracies and concocted some fake, misinformation that has nothing to do with Somalia, never existed, and says absolutely nothing about Farmaajo and his supporters.

Sxb with due respect. It's a fact Kheire and farmaajo was in disagreement on how the election will be held. Farmaajo wanted a one man one vote similar election which would take place in every maamul goboleed. Hence why his gov fought all maamul goboleed with tooth and nail. He wanted to plant xoogaga wadaniyiinta in every maamul goboleed so they could vote for him.

While kheire wanted a parliament election. The whole cabinet are mps and they all except Jamal n cawad support kheire.

I know who Sahal's source is.. And I believe him 100%. I've got information from the same source myself several times. And it has been spot on.

Adiga you are trying to answer this in a intellectual way. But this is Somalia bruh. Go speak to people within the gov. Don't just refute or accept sahal's claims. Adiga so ogoow and come back to us.

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

Xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting gubataaa.

N&N dhawaan waa kala baxee

Kheyre-Mursal-Muudey-khadijo diriye vs Farmaajo-Fahad yasin-

Muudey was against Farah abdulqadir why fahad yasin? reerow hassan have two kursi no problem for mudeey he bwlongs to reer aw nuur a mix of cadcad and jareers based in afgooye fahad and farah belong to reer aw cilmi iyo reerow aw mahdi in ethiopia around hiiraan they fight on their seat but it looks like muudeey empowers himself with kheyre since fahad is the man behind farmaajo he doesnt wanna relay on him.


according to my friend farmaajo is regreting omar finish who is not attacking mucaaradka verbally.

"i agree with you sxb, Fahad Yaasiin backed both Shariif and Hassan and they showed him the middle finger after they won. That is why Fahad is suspicious of Hawiye, particularly Hiraab president.

Although some of my friends say he is in bed with Farmaajo, I doubt if Khayre could mess Farmaajo election plan without the help of Fahad. Khayre, the speaker Mursal, and Muudeey are in one camp. Why Muudeey Reer Aw Xassan and close friend of Fahad would side with Khayre? I think Fahad's position will be clear in the next few days

I also heard that Farmaajo and Cumar Finish are not on good terms. Farmaajo is regretting his decision to appoint Finish as the mayor of Mogadishu. Unlike Yariisoow Finish has soft spot for the Mucaarad. Finish does not want to attack the mucaarad verbally as Yariisoow used to do. He does not also want to deal hard with Muuse Suude on the Mariino issue.

Yes, I heard rumors that Khayre will fire Sahalist Cawad but that will cause a direct confrontation between him and Farmaajo like when Yuulka fired and demoted some of XSM allies and sparked a direct confrontation between Yuuka and XSM- This is not the typical modus operendi of Khaacin Khayre kkkk"

Finish is not in good terms with Kheire that I know. Since he stopped dhaqaallaha going to PMs office. But not sure about farmaajo. They thought finish was gonna be a yes man. I told you from the get go that finish is not a puppet who will be used to attack Suudi Yalaxow. Besides sxb gov cannot touch the Xaaji cause he got the Ugaas and Imam on his side.Allthough they are useless and ku shubo. They support xaajiga. Otherwise gov would try to attack him long time ago.

[sahal80]

typical reer mudug madax adeeg iyo ku qabso ku qadi maysidee!

waxaada waa nin iskadhicis iyo counterattack. you are the guy who spewed all this bullshit and ignorant stuff

"I know for a fact the Ministry of Planning and International Relations is the point of contact for aid agreements, B.) FAO/Italians would have been speaking with Jamal not Ciid, C.) Jamal would then be coordinating inter-agency with appropriate ministries"

baseless arrogant statement. the proof listen to waare himself in the voa link. obviously you havent made your own reseach by listening what has to say these people. heshiis sadex heesood ah oo u dhaxeeya wasaarada beeraha urur UN ka ah iyo urur talyaani ah i called it afar geesood bc of hirshabelle who come up with the proposal and the initiative. you saying it should be jamaal hehehehe

this jamaal if he had power he would have given to SSC. this is disputed region nothing goes there look they have been excluded from this project cause they not state
https://www.afdb.org/en/documents/somal ... sal-report

Somalia is a federal republic every states comrmes up with its plans and policies but they said instead of meeting with 7 planning and finance ministers we will deal with the federal minister


hadii lacag maamul loo dhiibeeyn kuwa lacagta biyaha iyo jidadka loogu talo galay dhacay xagee ka keenern lalacagta? ciid euxuu awoodaa inuu dhaho qandaraaska shirksdaha isiiya? can include PL and can get some dhacdhac from here and there. once he sent the study they gonna sign with the planning minister. we havent reached this stage of who keeps the money!










"D.) this is not the transitional governments, it would be extremely unlikely that level of unprofessionalism and dysfunction would exist where a specific request taken tk a minister by a foreign aid group gets a response lets move it to different region...i also think it is petty the way guys are attacking the ciid when there has been 0 evidence presented that he is not innocent, and finally E). the Somali gov would be the one responsible for the RFP (Request for Proposal) not FAO/Italy and not Hirshabelle....that means the project design, scope, details, planning, etc...that takes a long time to put together....to see if this story is even a story we have to see COMPARISONS in response time to this proposal and similar proposals.
Again, we are only talking about this because Somali news said the Italian newspaper La Repubblica said Italy did not get a response and withdrew money.

"1. There is no such story in La Repubblica" another bullshit! read again the voa link they are interviewing the lady who wrote the article

2. According to FAO response, no money has been withdrawn or any determination reached"

anothrr clueless line who talked about money?



https://www.voasomali.com/amp/5170432.h ... ssion=true


lastly its name is "hirshabelle Resilient Riverine project" i posted this already in my thread kulahaa shabelle see who depends on calls? i said baladweyne bc the whole project was initiated by the baladweyne floods and was reauested by the president of the state of course there will be a portion for mahadaay and other villages like they said in the voa link




man you lost the argument simply bc you were not equiped with the right info. all you trying is shameless difaac qaawan for a govt who failed at every thing you the guy who said farmaajo will be reelected. well he got one year and two months and he already got paralyzed by kheyre.

man learn to accept having different opinions you can make your delusional statements like farmaajo getting reelected but also leave us post whatever we like you can post your opinion in my thread without policing. look how my friends messages about kheyre and farmaajo are well balanced and he is mucaarad. i posted what he said about what hapoens to kheyre without fahad yasin.

good luck with the next argument!

[Voltage]

Sahal,

You are personalizing this.

Horta do you remember when you found out even when I am personally arguing with someone, I am always motivated by what I can learn?

Sxb look at my contributions;

Do I do cheap insults (beyond teasing YOU about your opposition "arab spring?")?

Do I make a habit of clan bashing?

Do I not generally try to display goodwill as a habit?

WHEN I CONTRIBUTE WHY AM I SO DETAILED?

I like to understand and learn and I try to be just as much of a resource to someone else who is finding new information...that's why I like to do research when something new to me comes up and why I am always detailed so I can give someone else at least something to go off of.

I am never motivated by "nin iska dhicis" because the concept is ridiculous when you or anyone else here has no bearing on my person.

On the Beled-Weyne dam story, it ALWAYS smelled funny based on logic and what I already knew about the government.

Since then AN ENTIRE NEW SUBJECT opened to me which is how AID IS DISPENSED and then the story completely fail apart;

1. For example you say this was about the Beled-Weyne flood.

No it wasn't! It was about drought! The Shabelle River has even started to become completely dry sxb. This flood was an emergency but really the existential long term crisis is about drought and the possibility of famine!

When the FAO says "nonetheless" (iyadoo sidaas tahay) because of recent floods, we are amending the project proposal that's because the project was about drought! It had nothing to do with dam or flood.

2.]!For example the Italian contribution has been pointed to the Shabelle Valley through the Stability funds because the BRITISH ARE DOING IT FOR THE JUBBA VALLEY.

The reason why the banana farms of Luuq are booming is because of the drought resiliency investment the British have been pumping in to the Shabab-free northern cities of the Jubba Valley.

IN ANY CASE, wax yar iga sug.

I will present my information soon. Save what you have to say until then.