HiirShabelle rejects 4.5 election wants one man one vote

[grandpakhalif]

https://www.caasimada.net/maamulka-hirs ... hada-2020/


Wheres sahal? It seems gaaljecel, baadicadde, jijeele, jareerweyn have spoken!

[sahal80]

kkkk Your Somali reading is week

first look at the top of Hirshabelle statement it says "Office of the president" and that is waare wich means non these yaryar qabiils have business in this
secondly no other thsn him have participated in the press conference with the UN envoy wich means the state has one authority

as for the statement Waare supported HAG Madasha position of rejecting your adeer getting extention also supports 4.5 against what your adeer calls "direct xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting"

i see waare has grown already some balls he acts independent no Farnaajo extension and warns from pro kheyre hindisaha gudiga baarlamaanka to respect 4.5


1'
"Maamulka HirShabelle oo caddeeyey mowqifkiisa ku aadan doorashada 2020
December 11, 2019
Jowhar (Caasimadda Online) – Warsaxaafadeed ay soo saareen maamul goboleedka HirShabelle ayaa waxaa lagu caddeeyey mowqifka maamulk ee doorashooyinka dalka uu geli rabo sanadaha 2020/2021.


War-saxaafadeedka oo ka koobnaa ilaa Lix (6) qodob ayaa waxyaabihii looga hadlay waxaa ka mid ahaa in mamulka HirShabelle uusan aqbali doonin muda kororsiga ay doonayso xukuumadda Soomaaliya iyo in dalka ay ka dhacdo doorsho qof iyo cod ah sida balankuba ahaa.

Maamulka HirShabelle ayaa sheegay in dalkaan ay kasoo dhaceen colaado beeleed isla markaasna aan weli laga soo kabsan sidaas darteedna aysan macquul aheyn in si deg deg ah looga gudbo doorashada ku dhisan qabiilka ee markii hore xalka loo arkay."

[Mk777]

One man 1 vote is not possible at the moment as half of hiiraan is under shabaab. Parts of middle shabeele as well. There trying to create golaha deegaaka nonsense whilst our towns are under shabaab. After beledweyne, jalalaqsi buloburte all of which are mixed we have the next two biggest towns.

The biggest losers in all of this is baadicade. They seem to have lost all their power in buloburte the power shift is nearly complete. This is what happens when u are short sighted as a beel. Their wabar is cursed and their governor can’t land in their own traditional city.

[grandpakhalif]

kkkk Your Somali reading is week

first look at the top of Hirshabelle statement it says "Office of the president" and that is waare wich means non these yaryar qabiils have business in this
secondly no other thsn him have participated in the press conference with the UN envoy wich means the state has one authority

as for the statement Waare supported HAG Madasha position of rejecting your adeer getting extention also supports 4.5 against what your adeer calls "direct xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting"

i see waare has grown already some balls he acts independent no Farnaajo extension and warns from pro kheyre hindisaha gudiga baarlamaanka to respect 4.5


1'
"Maamulka HirShabelle oo caddeeyey mowqifkiisa ku aadan doorashada 2020
December 11, 2019
Jowhar (Caasimadda Online) – Warsaxaafadeed ay soo saareen maamul goboleedka HirShabelle ayaa waxaa lagu caddeeyey mowqifka maamulk ee doorashooyinka dalka uu geli rabo sanadaha 2020/2021.


War-saxaafadeedka oo ka koobnaa ilaa Lix (6) qodob ayaa waxyaabihii looga hadlay waxaa ka mid ahaa in mamulka HirShabelle uusan aqbali doonin muda kororsiga ay doonayso xukuumadda Soomaaliya iyo in dalka ay ka dhacdo doorsho qof iyo cod ah sida balankuba ahaa.

Maamulka HirShabelle ayaa sheegay in dalkaan ay kasoo dhaceen colaado beeleed isla markaasna aan weli laga soo kabsan sidaas darteedna aysan macquul aheyn in si deg deg ah looga gudbo doorashada ku dhisan qabiilka ee markii hore xalka loo arkay."

Holy shit sahal you are right I just re read it and misunderstood the article they are actually supporting 4.5 system! It seems you were spot on! What will elections be basesd on then? Same system as 2016?

[sahal80]

kkkk Your Somali reading is week

first look at the top of Hirshabelle statement it says "Office of the president" and that is waare wich means non these yaryar qabiils have business in this
secondly no other thsn him have participated in the press conference with the UN envoy wich means the state has one authority

as for the statement Waare supported HAG Madasha position of rejecting your adeer getting extention also supports 4.5 against what your adeer calls "direct xoogaga wadaniyiinta voting"

i see waare has grown already some balls he acts independent no Farnaajo extension and warns from pro kheyre hindisaha gudiga baarlamaanka to respect 4.5


1'
"Maamulka HirShabelle oo caddeeyey mowqifkiisa ku aadan doorashada 2020
December 11, 2019
Jowhar (Caasimadda Online) – Warsaxaafadeed ay soo saareen maamul goboleedka HirShabelle ayaa waxaa lagu caddeeyey mowqifka maamulk ee doorashooyinka dalka uu geli rabo sanadaha 2020/2021.


War-saxaafadeedka oo ka koobnaa ilaa Lix (6) qodob ayaa waxyaabihii looga hadlay waxaa ka mid ahaa in mamulka HirShabelle uusan aqbali doonin muda kororsiga ay doonayso xukuumadda Soomaaliya iyo in dalka ay ka dhacdo doorsho qof iyo cod ah sida balankuba ahaa.

Maamulka HirShabelle ayaa sheegay in dalkaan ay kasoo dhaceen colaado beeleed isla markaasna aan weli laga soo kabsan sidaas darteedna aysan macquul aheyn in si deg deg ah looga gudbo doorashada ku dhisan qabiilka ee markii hore xalka loo arkay."

Holy shit sahal you are right I just re read it and misunderstood the article they are actually supporting 4.5 system! It seems you were spot on! What will elections be basesd on then? Same system as 2016?

to understand lets go back to the start. long time ago Farmaajo wanted to hold election based on the proportional representation system this means each party to be given "numbaro isku dheeli tiran" then the people will be registered. now for lack of security and his war with PL and JL he was planninh collect the people that eill be registered from "pro N&N" matginalized subclans by dismantlinh the states first this has already failed in PL with the ousting of the warsangali speaker and dealing with ali saleebaan rebellion he wanted to repeat in there Gedo scenario wich is no more under madoobe control. these people were going to head xamar to vote farmaajo besides hirshabelle and galmudug and south west who got changed. these voters are what they call "xoogaga wadaniyiinta"

Kheyre passed the bell earlier trying to buy more time and avoid clashing with Farmaajo earlier. Farmaajo thought kheyre was loyal to him. kheyre was silent about JL but was agreeing with farmaajo on the HAG states bc it was him who deconstructed Galmudug, Xaaf and ahlussina and he stay in there more than a month for this mission. when it was about madoobe election Farmaajo started war on him so he can implement his plan all this time kheyre was silent rinhs madobe secretly saying this has nothing to do with me its farmaajo. finally kheyre backed a comitte from the parliament full of hawiye, beesha shanaad and eelaay to name few mp dhuxulow who is murursade mp abdirizaq omar ex damjadeed security minister he is hawadle mucaarad and with the backing of mursal and muudeey who wants to be independent from fahad yasin so he allied himself with kheyre they said No for such elections oitside of their regions and mps they also wanted to extend the current parliament for two years and vote now for the president wich will be kheyre since he has 70 mps who r ministers at the same time bit this is up to the beesha calamka it doesnt look so

all this kheyre was behind it. Farmaajo jada kheyre ma tuuri karo road map aa lagalay lama ogola wax badal.

we revealed this in early november they r now talking about on social media




this is xaliimo yareey farmaajo plan

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... 6101151431

this is how it should happen based on gudiga baarlanaanka
1- The president should be elected by both chambers of the parliament ( the upper house and the lower houses)
2- the lower house will be elected through a First-past-the-post voting (FPTP) model. The 4.5 system will remain and each Jufo's mp will be elected by regional voters. The parties will nominate candidates for each subclan's MP, the candidate with the highest number of votes will win.
3- Banadir will mostly likely remain without representation in the upper house as before.

[Osob101]

Sahalow

Eebow why would you support a 4.5 system? Yes technically we are not ready or equipped for a one man one vote since majority of the country is under Al shabab but 4.5 is a cursed system. As long we keep up this horrible system of classifying qof ilahaaye abuurtay as sub-human we will be cursed. I might not be a supporter of this government but I would rather miss cheese of the afar qooble sit on those seats if it means getting rid of this cursed system. Plus one man one vote will finally show the face of the true langaabs in Somalia who I think hold power that is not proportional to their population

[sahal80]

Sahalow

Eebow why would you support a 4.5 system? Yes technically we are not ready or equipped for a one man one vote since majority of the country is under Al shabab but 4.5 is a cursed system. As long we keep up this horrible system of classifying qof ilahaaye abuurtay as sub-human we will be cursed. I might not be a supporter of this government but I would rather miss cheese of the afar qooble sit on those seats if it means getting rid of this cursed system. Plus one man one vote will finally show the face of the true langaabs in Somalia who I think hold power that is not proportional to their population

Al ustada Osob, if we say per subclan it only works for mudulood among the hawiye but strategically its good for Mudulood and hawiye in geberal. last election mudulood got first round 180 and hiraab 193 where do you got all these votes? Darod got less than 100 in the first round bc they r equal to eelaay and half of irir under 4.5 so at every elections they talk about to change this system specially the mj bc Hawiye are more favourable to get the votes of dir, eelaay and .5 plus having caasimada wich makes the president to be abgaal or hawiye. last elections there was no Mudulood unity and plan to vote each other at the end plus HG and murursade looking for pm post. now things r great like madasha even shakuur says he will vote for hawiye but still there is no new abgaal face so kheyre thinks he can divide them as he is hawiye(f-king up the HAG plan in the second round to vote to each other) if kheyre gets the second round some thing like abdullahi yuusuf could happen. second was caddow(HG) third was qanyare so qanyare and rest of hawiye voted for yeey bc they were against each other and was thinking yeey will not be able to come to xamar. so if you change this system you will not keep villa somalia. we have to wait until we make population census and then each state will be given kadaa seats like america. many states are empty and desert that why they want to be based on siad barres 18 gobol and 90 districts. hiiraan is twice size of sool and nugaal and awdal. look mudug map only hobyo district is bigger than the whole north mudug. there r 90 districts each HAG district like buuloburde and hobyo equals 6 darod district. that why gaaljecel have no single district despite living in three neighbouring gobol. they can make their own gobol more than dhulbahante.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?sxsrf=A ... eUigeEDLIM:

[Osob101]

Sahalow

Dir yaaye ku sirin especially the qaldaans up north. In every election they have voted for a Darood as president while the Southern Dir Voted Hawiye. Digil will always vote Hawiye because of Dhaqan iyo dhalasho while mirifle will vote based on either if they originally darood or Hawiye. The .5 are the king makers and usually will vote Hawiye. At the end of the day this 4.5 system is cursed and we have to fear Allah. Hawiye lost because they had too many candidates and division. Murusade will vote Kheyre which is a given. HG will vot HG until the final round and if Kheyre is the Hawiye candidate they will vote against him, matter of fact HG will always vote Darood at the end except if the candidate of MJ maybe not . HG and Ogaden are the two wild cards in both large clans. I personally want Mudulood to unite around Baadiyow.

[sahal80]

Sahalow

Dir yaaye ku sirin especially the qaldaans up north. In every election they have voted for a Darood as president while the Southern Dir Voted Hawiye. Digil will always vote Hawiye because of Dhaqan iyo dhalasho while mirifle will vote based on either if they originally darood or Hawiye. The .5 are the king makers and usually will vote Hawiye. At the end of the day this 4.5 system is cursed and we have to fear Allah. Hawiye lost because they had too many candidates and division. Murusade will vote Kheyre which is a given. HG will vot HG until the final round and if Kheyre is the Hawiye candidate they will vote against him, matter of fact HG will always vote Darood at the end except if the candidate of MJ maybe not . HG and Ogaden are the two wild cards in both large clans. I personally want Mudulood to unite around Baadiyow.

You are right. if kheyre is leading HAG in the first round HG will vote for darod and their situation will get worse. Dir(except isaaq) r now pro Darod bc of their conflicts with HG and Hawadle but they r not anti-abgaal that much "Unioninst isaaq" votes are on the auction but they tend to be two groups they know if the prez is HAG he will pick the likes of inacarte and if the president is darod he would pick the likes of the current pm. HAG mucaarad work secretly with jeegaanta in SL.

[sahal80]

this is what im talking about. ex Pro HAG Fozia joined Dblock camp this is bc like i said yhe became two factions. fowzia is HY just current deputy pm. maareeye group are sell they dont care qabiil stuff.

https://muqdisho.online/xog-muhiim-ah-m ... to-akriso/

[STARKAST]

Sahal, we need a census in hiraan/beledweyn and then we can see if Hawadle is the majority here Lol.

After this then you can question other areas in our nation.

[sahal80]

Sahal, we need a census in hiraan/beledweyn and then we can see if Hawadle is the majority here Lol.

After this then you can question other areas in our nation.

sxb im talking for hiiraan NOT for hawadle otherwise i wouldnt mention gaaljecel for example they r mainly nomadic clan but they deserved a district when many nomadic dblocks who r partially ethiopian have many districts start from north to central regions and then lower jubba you have empty geeljire districts.

red is buuloburde district this dego can be three degmo like ceelcali in the west, Halgan in the middle and buuloburde itself. buuloburde borders coastal middle shabelle, lower shabelle and bakool! ma wax isku dhaw baa? rose colour in the north is baladweyne, matabaan and maxaas and the south is jalalaqsi.

buuloburde from the end of Galgaduud to bakool!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulobur ... strict.png

https://reliefweb.int/map/somalia/somal ... 2-feb-2012

and here look hobyo district its the size of the whole nothern mudug look the tiny galdagob district kkk
https://reliefweb.int/map/somalia/somal ... 4-oct-2012
look the size of hobyo
https://reliefweb.int/map/somalia/somal ... 4-oct-2012

so like America you have big states and smaller state they dont have the same number in the american senate. there will tirokoob in every gobol and state and each one will be allocated for a number that reflects its size this system will replace the qabyaalad-based 18 gobol and 93 degmos. also remember Badadir will have spacial status and its people may get representation. one option is to create federal district out banaadir.