Jubbaland should be renamed Adal State when the real process starts to build the real, inclusive state.

[Phinks]

Let ask you a serious question no fkd. How can Kabalax and MJ be the eldest born when Marehan have history that predates theirs? Seriously, the oral tradition doesn’t match up with the written taarikh. Nor I’m discounting Majeerteen history as each Darood sub has history that is worth a nation state’s history, bias and internal rivalry aside.

It's my firm belief 80% of our history has been lost/changed, that goes for all Somalis. Who knows how many clans went extinct, or that once upon a time our langaabs used to be the ones calling the shots? What if Darood used to be the langaab and our impressive resume is only thanks to recent memory? (last 1000 years). Oral transmission of events and sequences isn't exactly reliable, too many questions to ponder on.

But to answer your question, I don't know. It's not a big deal to me, if Marexaan were the first born, what's the problem? It'd be great to offer an additional historic perspective on things. Sade, Absame and Harti are so closely related it doesn't matter, if one is older than the other it can't be by much, perhaps you guys were the first to start making moves. What's more important to me is if our abtirsi is legit, that's what I'm having doubts about, maybe Gubbet can chime in here.

All our history is muddied through colonial glaze and their propaganda. There’s no “native” understanding imo since the Kacaan. All these narratives were colonial state propaganda and some clans fall for it because it benefits them. Somalis don’t want accountability. That’s the nomadic arrogance. If you notice history all our greatest leaders were dictators - Imam Ahmed Gurey, Emir Nur, Sayid Mohammed, Sultan Keenadiid, Sultan Mohamud Shire, Siad Barre etc. Somalis need a strong leader. This jileec shit is historical revisionism to stop the natural Darwinian order. Therefore don’t believe what your enemies says. But what you can prove in your superiority.

Problem with Somalis is that we're arrogant, you know one of the first things some clans did in the civil war? We targeted doctors, engineers and those of educated backgrounds from opposing clans. I never put that much thought into it until I realised at a later phase Somalis are a jealous hearted people. If someone is better equipped to deal with things of a technical nature or matters of administration, some resentment builds up in us. Wallahi I have seen this play out in FAMILIES, that in-built arrogance is what's holding us back. So even if someone is leading us and doing well, SOMEONE will have a problem, I think we can make Federalism work IF we're all onboard with one other.

[Phinks]

Khalid.....you gotta it right the first time.
When the JVA was ruling Kismayo they cannibalised the people and caused and environmental disaster.
They had no affinity for the land or people because HG/MX were foreign to the region......they even named their criminal alliance walaalaha Galgaduud.

Fortunately they were overthrown and driven out and a new J/L state was born that includes EVERY clan.

Ever since then the former moryaans have been using the last two presidents to return their tyranny to Kismayo.

One thing about Somalis is that we know each other very well......all this talk about democracy, nationalism etc is just a ruse to mask petty tribal agenda.

See, I used to be EXACTLY like this guy years back until I realised:

1. Ogaden were the first to terrorise and kill Harti in the Jubas back in the 90's in the initial stages of the civil war. Ogaden debauchery went as far as using Bantu to rape Harti girls, don't believe me you can ask around.

2. If Marexaan conscripted some Hawiye members into the JVA alliance - this is indisputable - and you find it unacceptable, then you have to afford that same luxury to Ogaden allying themselves with the USC, the same USC that snuck into Galkacyo at the dead of night killing thousands, as well as their executions of Harti business men in Kismayo.

This is a perfect example of Zoo politics.

Halmog, I quickly edited my post responding to that guy after I realised he was one of those who probably thought Barre Hiraale was a hero, the guys demented. Anyways, I want Somaliweyne, if that makes me shameless then so be it.

[MrSinister]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

I accept that you are who you say you are. I don't like to accuse people of being sheegato online. In an ideal world, I would agree with you.

Of course there are a few families with business interests running JL, just like every where else in the world. But do you honestly think failmajo and his ilk are doing everything they can to destabilize JL, work with foreigners and ethiopians, so they can make it equitable? No, they want their families to run things. They want to use JL as their base to bring a kacaan style government back and if they had the ability, they would destabilize PL as well.

OG are a natural ally to PL, while MX have historically been our biggest obstacles. In an ideal world, JL is shared, but the status quo with Madobe in charge is the best for PL. MX's biggest problem is they don't understand their place within Darood. I hate to say it, but as a clan they are not capable of building or development. The Somali Republic was built by mostly people from the Northeast, and then Barre took one of the best countries in africa with strong institutions, and reputation at the time and turned it into a dictatorship. After the civil war, the people of the Northeast and Northwest built their own states. Even places galnus and hiirshabeele have seen some progress, but look at Gedo? Instead of working with Madobe and helping him build JL, these guys want to destroy what little progress has been made in JL and Somalia at large.

All that being said, I agree majority of Somali's are good people, I just think some have poor political/clan leadership.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

I accept that you are who you say you are. I don't like to accuse people of being sheegato online. In an ideal world, I would agree with you.

Of course there are a few families with business interests running JL, just like every where else in the world. But do you honestly think failmajo and his ilk are doing everything they can to destabilize JL, work with foreigners and ethiopians, so they can make it equitable? No, they want their families to run things. They want to use JL as their base to bring a kacaan style government back and if they had the ability, they would destabilize PL as well.

OG are a natural ally to PL, while MX have historically been our biggest obstacles. In an ideal world, JL is shared, but the status quo with Madobe in charge is the best for PL. MX's biggest problem is they don't understand their place within Darood. I hate to say it, but as a clan they are not capable of building or development. The Somali Republic was built by mostly people from the Northeast, and then Barre took one of the best countries in africa with strong institutions, and reputation at the time and turned it into a dictatorship. After the civil war, the people of the Northeast and Northwest built their own states. Even places galnus and hiirshabeele have seen some progress, but look at Gedo? Instead of working with Madobe and helping him build JL, these guys want to destroy what little progress has been made in JL and Somalia at large.

All that being said, I agree majority of Somali's are good people, I just think some have poor political/clan leadership.

A MJ has no right to tell MXs what they can do in their land because you clearly told us not speak on yours. If you keep this annoying habit up things will get ugly. MXs never said other Daroods can’t be allowed to live there. You’re against MX, therefore we don’t owe you anything.

[MrSinister]

Kismayo is historically Harti city. I personally have a stake in that city as do many PL'ers. I could care less about Gedo though. Do what you want there.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Kismayo is historically Harti city. I personally have a stake in that city as do many PL'ers. I could care less about Gedo though. Do what you want there.

Harti are a minority just like MX is to Puntland. Majority rules, minority rights. Sorry that’s the reality. If not we’ll tell other Daroods in Puntland to wage war on you. Simple.

[MrSinister]

Phinks,

Btw, there is also an element in the JL debate that is not talked about much. Failmajo and his sub clan of MX are actually from mudug and have nothing to do with JL. He is the one turning ordinary marexaans against the JL government through bribes and using resources from the federal government. He is the source of majority of the fitna in the region.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

If a MJ from Puntland has the xiniyo to speak on JL then a MX from Mudug has the same right. My belief Jubaland isn’t in the hands of the natives or Reer Guuri. Morgan, Hiiraale, Madobe are all Galti. The problem is the Galti Daroods. You have no right in general to speak on our degaan or even rule it. It’s time for Galtibixin. Jubaland is for the natives and I am one.

[MrSinister]

If a MJ from Puntland has the xiniyo to speak on JL then a MX from Mudug has the same right. My belief Jubaland isn’t in the hands of the natives or Reer Guuri. Morgan, Hiiraale, Madobe are all Galti. The problem is the Galti Daroods. You have no right in general to speak on our degaan or even rule it. It’s time for Galtibixin. Jubaland is for the natives and I am one.

I agree that it's the natives of the land who should have a majority say. But you're doing the bidding of failmajo who's not a native. That's where I see the problem.

[BigBreak]

MJ should have nothing to do with Jubaland

[STARKAST]

Kismayo is historically Harti city. I personally have a stake in that city as do many PL'ers. I could care less about Gedo though. Do what you want there.

I have noticed your streak of offending MX ? Is this a personal grudge or is due to naive kacaan issues.

Keep it classy mate there is no caalal needed and it is not noble.

[STARKAST]

MJ should have nothing to do with Jubaland

This is the super leagues sxb not triangle politics.Kenya to Ethiopia Somalia.

[MrSinister]

Kismayo is historically Harti city. I personally have a stake in that city as do many PL'ers. I could care less about Gedo though. Do what you want there.

I have noticed your streak of offending MX ? Is this a personal grudge or is due to naive kacaan issues.

Keep it classy mate there is no caalal needed and it is not noble.

MX can defend themselves. What's with these soft zanzibari's?

[TarTar]

Kismayo is historically Harti city. I personally have a stake in that city as do many PL'ers. I could care less about Gedo though. Do what you want there.

Harti are a minority just like MX is to Puntland. Majority rules, minority rights. Sorry that’s the reality. If not we’ll tell other Daroods in Puntland to wage war on you. Simple.

dude there is no such thing as Harti interests here. Dolbahanta n Wasakhgali have no preference about what happens in Jubaland

Magerten ayaa ku qadhaabta magaca Harti

Harti n Pland r euphemisms for Magerten agenda

[Gubbet]

Sinister, I try to look past this whole 'qabiliyad' stuff, I like it for what it is when we COMPETE with each other on merit and accomplishment, not who can kill who or which sub-clan controls which gobol/city. My reasoning is this, if Isaaq and Hawiye can get along for the most part, why can't Darood? If Darood can't get along, then let's call it a day and abolish this whole government, you can't have it both ways.

Soft spot? I admit I might have some bias, but that's because they are my actual family (cousins and in-laws), they detest Barre Hiraale and what he did to Harti in Kismayo, I also have OG cousins (moms sister husband) and they have also expressed their frustrations with Madobe and this ongoing charade, people are getting tired of small groups of families with business interests ruining it for everyone else, that goes for all clans.

Majority of Somalis are good people, the problem is that we're hopeless, we got ourselves to blame cause we refuse to put a stop to spoilers both foreign or domestic. Anyways, if you want a abtirsi check hit the dm sxb, I've got nothing to hide.

I accept that you are who you say you are. I don't like to accuse people of being sheegato online. In an ideal world, I would agree with you.

Of course there are a few families with business interests running JL, just like every where else in the world. But do you honestly think failmajo and his ilk are doing everything they can to destabilize JL, work with foreigners and ethiopians, so they can make it equitable? No, they want their families to run things. They want to use JL as their base to bring a kacaan style government back and if they had the ability, they would destabilize PL as well.

OG are a natural ally to PL, while MX have historically been our biggest obstacles. In an ideal world, JL is shared, but the status quo with Madobe in charge is the best for PL. MX's biggest problem is they don't understand their place within Darood. I hate to say it, but as a clan they are not capable of building or development. The Somali Republic was built by mostly people from the Northeast, and then Barre took one of the best countries in africa with strong institutions, and reputation at the time and turned it into a dictatorship. After the civil war, the people of the Northeast and Northwest built their own states. Even places galnus and hiirshabeele have seen some progress, but look at Gedo? Instead of working with Madobe and helping him build JL, these guys want to destroy what little progress has been made in JL and Somalia at large.

All that being said, I agree majority of Somali's are good people, I just think some have poor political/clan leadership.