Inalilaahi two MX shot dead by Galmudug Darawiish near Kaxandhaale

[Kees70]

Kees and Nomand keep in mind this is a tacsi thread not FKD thread.

Aun to the lives lost, but you folks need to hold this instigating Nomad on the leash, we HG and MX have an social contract that benefits us all, so lets focus on that positivity while curbing the negativity for the greater good.

Saxib a little fkd hurt no body, but not in tacsi thread fadlan, I was speaking to both of you.

[STARKAST]

STARKAST,

i don't agree that MX is a minority in galmudug or a drop in the ocean.

MX is a stabilizing force in galmudug and without MX, galmudug would be very difficult to sustain. think about it.

with MX gone the first fight would be who is the VP is it DIR? or mursade? or abgaal? second fight would be between HG subclans now that MX is gone there is no force that can capitalize on internal HG conflict. each HG subclan would act like a clan and fight for the presidency. next would be the capital again this will fought for hard.

cayr will fight hard for the presidency since they are the largest HG subclan, the capital city is dhusamareeb and ceyr town. again will sacad and salebaan allow ceyr to have both presidency and capital city? if farmaajo looses do you think the next president would send haramcad to dhusamareeb? with an MJ Prime minister i don't think so.

if you remember before farmaajo, when xaaf was president of galmudug, salebaan put a isbaaro on cadaado. and if xaaf wanted to go to dhusamareeb first he had to get permission from sheikh shaakir then he had to fly from gaalkacyo to dhusamareeb. if farmaajo looses same thing will return.

Sxb its just the truth, i can't sugar coat what is reality. MX mostly left for the south that's why you find yourself in the position as a drop in the ocean in galmudug.
That map that kees posted is correct.
MX have their representation in Galmudug as simply to make it look like an inclusive state and to politically rule the two towns that mx live in.

Regarding your statements about skirmishes at the end of the day, it is HG vs HG violence which is intra violence which happens with all clans. Normal.

[Nomand]

kees,

sxb, i can also go on photoshop or paint and draw maps. no need for a full answer just deny if what i said about xaaf is false. thats all. no need for a long explanation.

Xaaf is a big mouth baboon that slepts around with the mjs politically, him out of the picture is good for all of us.

As for your the answer you seek, i'll summarize it by saying that its an Intra-HG affair that doesnt concern you MX, we HG are now under 1 maamul and 1 leader and thats all it matters.

my last contribution. first it is good to debate with someone who at least acknowledges facts even if you want to hush it up as intra-HG affair i will respect that and leave it as that.

but HG being under one leader. who do you think made that?

[STARKAST]

Kees,

why would MX move? lol that does not even make any sense. Galmudug is choice and MX can simple choose to not partake in it if they want.

but everything i have said about HG in galmudug is what your former president xaaf said multiple times.

do you deny that xaaf could not enter cadaado? and salebaan put an isbaaro
do you deny that xaaf when entering dhusamareeb had to ask sheikh shakir for permission and that xaaf's orders on anything regarding salebaan or cayr territories where disregarded.

kismaayo, gedo, caabudwaaq are all MX degaan. politics come and go but deegaan stays the same.

im gonna reply to you later in full details, in the mean time dwell on this reality that mx are insignificant drop of water in the ocean of HG;

As The stakeholder of Galmudug - how do you feel that mx claim that they have more of a stake in regards to their representation i.e the two towns or 2 town clan. This is very problematic. Its like reer xamar claiming Muqdisho .

[Gubbet]

STARKAST,

i don't agree that MX is a minority in galmudug or a drop in the ocean.

MX is a stabilizing force in galmudug and without MX, galmudug would be very difficult to sustain. think about it.

with MX gone the first fight would be who is the VP is it DIR? or mursade? or abgaal? second fight would be between HG subclans now that MX is gone there is no force that can capitalize on internal HG conflict. each HG subclan would act like a clan and fight for the presidency. next would be the capital again this will fought for hard.

cayr will fight hard for the presidency since they are the largest HG subclan, the capital city is dhusamareeb and ceyr town. again will sacad and salebaan allow ceyr to have both presidency and capital city? if farmaajo looses do you think the next president would send haramcad to dhusamareeb? with an MJ Prime minister i don't think so.

if you remember before farmaajo, when xaaf was president of galmudug, salebaan put a isbaaro on cadaado. and if xaaf wanted to go to dhusamareeb first he had to get permission from sheikh shaakir then he had to fly from gaalkacyo to dhusamareeb. if farmaajo looses same thing will return.

Sxb its just the truth, i can't sugar coat what is reality. MX mostly left for the south that's why you find yourself in the position as a drop in the ocean in galmudug.
That map that kees posted is correct.
MX have their representation in Galmudug as simply to make it look like an inclusive state and to politically rule the two towns that mx live in.

Regarding your statements about skirmishes at the end of the day, it is HG vs HG violence which is intra violence which happens with all clans. Normal.

It is not correct. Factually, geographically, or even symbolically.

It is appealing to size without any context which becomes an irony when virtually every single barometer or measurement represents the opposite.

Population Settlement


Population Density


Least vs Most Urban



Market Access vs Remote


And finally the Clan settlement has not changed substantively since the Galti Migration as drawn by Robecchi.



The truth is Central Somalia is a wasteland and the Marehan that had not migrated had occupied the eastern entrance into the Hawd with a well clear boundary line.

1991 and civil war caused temporary fluctuations in involuntary population movements as happened to many groups particularly Marehan, but as the rer Hassan expelled from Nageyle in 1992 today own the deed to Deka Suftu so too Marehan has closed the breach of the highway with Wagardhac's Kaxandhaale district administration.

Everything else including such sporadic moments like this are unfortunate individual circumstances akin to statistical white noise.

There is a very clear trajectory in Central Somalia.

The only places capable of sustainable growth is the far Western boundary zone.

Everything else is in decline including population. For example, while Balanbale and Dhabat are growing, Dhusamareb is actually hemorrhaging population with over 60% of its young migrating to Benadir.

With that said, I am on record for saying Marehan, nay even Darod as a whole in central Somalia should reach a generational agreement based on courage, brotherhood, and reflection of common destiny with the Hawiye that reframes and reinterprets how land ownership is viewed and access to grazing is equitably shared.

The young HG or Hawiye or non-Darod nomad has to access grazing and Darod have occupied it like the Berlin Wall.

This will continue to result in moments such as this, but even more importantly, it is virtually impossible to live in the majority of central Somalia as it is as a pastoralist and this will continue to degrade not get better for the foreseeable future.

Every Somali kid deserves better than the current.

[Kees70]

kees,

sxb, i can also go on photoshop or paint and draw maps. no need for a full answer just deny if what i said about xaaf is false. thats all. no need for a long explanation.

Xaaf is a big mouth baboon that slepts around with the mjs politically, him out of the picture is good for all of us.

As for your the answer you seek, i'll summarize it by saying that its an Intra-HG affair that doesnt concern you MX, we HG are now under 1 maamul and 1 leader and thats all it matters.

my last contribution. first it is good to debate with someone who at least acknowledges facts even if you want to hush it up as intra-HG affair i will respect that and leave it as that.

but HG being under one leader. who do you think made that?

Galmudug is an state that has come from a long process which was started in 2006 by Reer Sacad and from this process along the way many individuals like President HSM and President Farmaajo played their part and contributed greatly to the Galmudug that is today, so having said that i also admit that Farmaajo played a special part in building an inclusive Galmudug, as he an MX President has blessed GM with MXs full participation, now Mx in that area is forever intertwined with HGs under Galmudug.

MX is Galmudug just as i Sacad am a Galmudug, a state is bigger than individuals and clans, its the Islamic Laws and Constitution that holds us different from the animals in the wild.

[Kees70]

Kees,

why would MX move? lol that does not even make any sense. Galmudug is choice and MX can simple choose to not partake in it if they want.

but everything i have said about HG in galmudug is what your former president xaaf said multiple times.

do you deny that xaaf could not enter cadaado? and salebaan put an isbaaro
do you deny that xaaf when entering dhusamareeb had to ask sheikh shakir for permission and that xaaf's orders on anything regarding salebaan or cayr territories where disregarded.

kismaayo, gedo, caabudwaaq are all MX degaan. politics come and go but deegaan stays the same.

im gonna reply to you later in full details, in the mean time dwell on this reality that mx are insignificant drop of water in the ocean of HG;

As The stakeholder of Galmudug - how do you feel that mx claim that they have more of a stake in regards to their representation i.e the two towns or 2 town clan. This is very problematic. Its like reer xamar claiming Muqdisho .

Having MX claim Galmudug is a surplus for us HG, having them under Galmudug was a strategic move that has helped us penetrate Ethiopia Somali Galbeed deeper, we now have more connection than 1 with Somali Galbeed that might help us foster deeper relations security, economic and political wise.

Any MX issues in Somali Galbeed is from now an Galmudug issue, so them having representations in Ethiopia is us GM having one too, and perhaps through that kind of releations wil other clans from GM too get representation in Somali Galbeed..

[Kees70]

STARKAST,

i don't agree that MX is a minority in galmudug or a drop in the ocean.

MX is a stabilizing force in galmudug and without MX, galmudug would be very difficult to sustain. think about it.

with MX gone the first fight would be who is the VP is it DIR? or mursade? or abgaal? second fight would be between HG subclans now that MX is gone there is no force that can capitalize on internal HG conflict. each HG subclan would act like a clan and fight for the presidency. next would be the capital again this will fought for hard.

cayr will fight hard for the presidency since they are the largest HG subclan, the capital city is dhusamareeb and ceyr town. again will sacad and salebaan allow ceyr to have both presidency and capital city? if farmaajo looses do you think the next president would send haramcad to dhusamareeb? with an MJ Prime minister i don't think so.

if you remember before farmaajo, when xaaf was president of galmudug, salebaan put a isbaaro on cadaado. and if xaaf wanted to go to dhusamareeb first he had to get permission from sheikh shaakir then he had to fly from gaalkacyo to dhusamareeb. if farmaajo looses same thing will return.

Sxb its just the truth, i can't sugar coat what is reality. MX mostly left for the south that's why you find yourself in the position as a drop in the ocean in galmudug.
That map that kees posted is correct.
MX have their representation in Galmudug as simply to make it look like an inclusive state and to politically rule the two towns that mx live in.

Regarding your statements about skirmishes at the end of the day, it is HG vs HG violence which is intra violence which happens with all clans. Normal.

It is not correct. Factually, geographically, or even symbolically.

It is appealing to size without any context which becomes an irony when virtually every single barometer or measurement represents the opposite.

Population Settlement


Population Density


Least vs Most Urban



Market Access vs Remote


And finally the Clan settlement has not changed substantively since the Galti Migration as drawn by Robecchi.



The truth is Central Somalia is a wasteland and the Marehan that had not migrated had occupied the eastern entrance into the Hawd with a well clear boundary line.

1991 and civil war caused temporary fluctuations in involuntary population movements as happened to many groups particularly Marehan, but as the rer Hassan expelled from Nageyle in 1992 today own the deed to Deka Suftu so too Marehan has closed the breach of the highway with Wagardhac's Kaxandhaale district administration.

Everything else including such sporadic moments like this are unfortunate individual circumstances akin to statistical white noise.

There is a very clear trajectory in Central Somalia.

The only places capable of sustainable growth is the far Western boundary zone.

Everything else is in decline including population. For example, while Balanbale and Dhabat are growing, Dhusamareb is actually hemorrhaging population with over 60% of its young migrating to Benadir.

With that said, I am on record for saying Marehan, nay even Darod as a whole in central Somalia should reach a generational agreement based on courage, brotherhood, and reflection of common destiny with the Hawiye that reframes and reinterprets how land ownership is viewed and access to grazing is equitably shared.

The young HG or Hawiye or non-Darod nomad has to access grazing and Darod have occupied it like the Berlin Wall.

This will continue to result in moments such as this, but even more importantly, it is virtually impossible to live in the majority of central Somalia as it is as a pastoralist and this will continue to degrade not get better for the foreseeable future.

Every Somali kid deserves better than the current.

Gubbet/Voltage whats with all this Pictures, is it to proof something that is already foregone conclusion, as in Galmudug is already set and done Politically and no more challenge of that will be accepted.

As for Deegaans, who cares who owns what or settles, from now on Deegaan Council of GM everywhere will be mixed, you will see MX have Reps in Hobyo just as we HG are having reps in Cabudwaaq albeit 1 is short than we excpted as we were gunning for atleats 7-5 Reps in that council anyway talks are ongoing and i hope for the best for us all.

GM is heading to an Mixed State where no Deegaans will have clan borders, so one better get used to that Future or move outside Galmudug, because we reer GM will never except their way of isolationist thinking

[mahoka]

First AUN to tolkay and secondly Grandpa why doesn’t MX Ximan fight for more representation in Galmudug Darawiish?

This is Mudug my friend theres no such as thing as an integrated Darawiish its solely clan based with each clan retaining their weaponry. You think your enemy in the baadiye gonna be your friend in the city. Galmuduh is an unfeasible project that is why I support Adal Republic

With conflicts like this. Sooner or later, the 18 regions will return. There’s no other federalism that can work. This will create more conflict.

Why 18 regions and not the original regions in 1960?

[Gubbet]

Kees, this you is the one that should be you 100% of the time. The foundation that Farmaajo and Qoorqoor's relationship set is a generational shift. I don't think many people appreciate it but I am a lover of history and I am able to detect nuances capable of informing a lpng term message. The emergence of PM Rooble has even strengthened what Qoorqoor and Farmaajo started.

Galmudug has a difficult teenage growth a head of it and it will be growing pains precisely for the reasons I highlighted but if you love your people and want them to succeed, you should refrain from the type of negative influence that informed your nitial participation.

The Central Somalia problem is only seen from D vs H, clans but there is an entire iceberg under the surface with descending challenges... Grazing, livelihood, security, equity, and even climate change.

The one Marehan you negatively impact iis llone less partner you need willing to work with you.

As a point of context, I am no longer at not trying to offend the other, I am now at the formidable stage where I challenge my own with such a radical concept I highlighted where almost always the first reply I get is "kan waa doqon" .

[Kees70]

Kees, this you is the one that should be you 100% of the time. The foundation that Farmaajo and Qoorqoor's relationship set is a generational shift. I don't think many people appreciate it but I am a lover of history and I am able to detect nuances capable of informing a lpng term message. The emergence of PM Rooble has even strengthened what Qoorqoor and Farmaajo started.

Galmudug has a difficult teenage growth a head of it and it will be growing pains precisely for the reasons I highlighted but if you love your people and want them to succeed, you should refrain from the type of negative influence that informed your nitial participation.

The Central Somalia problem is only seen from D vs H, clans but there is an entire iceberg under the surface with descending challenges... Grazing, livelihood, security, equity, and even climate change.

The one Marehan you negatively impact iis llone less partner you need willing to work with you.

As a point of context, I am no longer at not trying to offend the other, I am now at the formidable stage where I challenge my own with such a radical concept I highlighted where almost always the first reply I get is "kan waa doqon" .

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

This is Mudug my friend theres no such as thing as an integrated Darawiish its solely clan based with each clan retaining their weaponry. You think your enemy in the baadiye gonna be your friend in the city. Galmuduh is an unfeasible project that is why I support Adal Republic

With conflicts like this. Sooner or later, the 18 regions will return. There’s no other federalism that can work. This will create more conflict.

Why 18 regions and not the original regions in 1960?

Yeah sxb 18 regions wasn’t based on clan FYI. I know you idoors are programmed to believe that but that’s jabhad revisionism

[grandpakhalif]

im gonna reply to you later in full details, in the mean time dwell on this reality that mx are insignificant drop of water in the ocean of HG;

As The stakeholder of Galmudug - how do you feel that mx claim that they have more of a stake in regards to their representation i.e the two towns or 2 town clan. This is very problematic. Its like reer xamar claiming Muqdisho .

Having MX claim Galmudug is a surplus for us HG, having them under Galmudug was a strategic move that has helped us penetrate Ethiopia Somali Galbeed deeper, we now have more connection than 1 with Somali Galbeed that might help us foster deeper relations security, economic and political wise.

Any MX issues in Somali Galbeed is from now an Galmudug issue, so them having representations in Ethiopia is us GM having one too, and perhaps through that kind of releations wil other clans from GM too get representation in Somali Galbeed..

This is the biggest bullshit I have ever layed my eyes upon, if MX get killed in Kaxandhaale you think Wasiirka Amniga Fiqi will assist us? He is actively plotting with OG to systematically eliminate MX from the Ethio Somalia border and sandwich us. Until GM becomes neutral in clan conflicts and not biased towards certain clans it shall continue to fail. Even the Dir Qubays have been pushed to join AS due to GM clannism in Bacaadweyn.

[mahoka]

With conflicts like this. Sooner or later, the 18 regions will return. There’s no other federalism that can work. This will create more conflict.

Why 18 regions and not the original regions in 1960?

Yeah sxb 18 regions wasn’t based on clan FYI. I know you idoors are programmed to believe that but that’s jabhad revisionism

Not sure why you mentioned qabiil

You didn’t answer my question sxb, I asked you why not the original regions of 1960? What do you have against those regions? Why should people accept revised regions made after 1960

Give me a simple logical answer

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Why 18 regions and not the original regions in 1960?

Yeah sxb 18 regions wasn’t based on clan FYI. I know you idoors are programmed to believe that but that’s jabhad revisionism

Not sure why you mentioned qabiil

You didn’t answer my question sxb, I asked you why not the original regions of 1960? What do you have against those regions? Why should people accept revised regions made after 1960

Give me a simple logical answer

The last legitimate government was in ‘91 and 18 regions is the federalism most agree on.