Darood does Not Deserve the Kinship of Majeerteen

[Gubbet]

Horta labadaan nin Saddam iyo Khaalid ilaahay baa isku taagay, iyaga un baa isku ilfuuran Khalid said your kin Nomand, Nomand aniga horta waxuu ka necebyahay forumkaan maba soo galaan anigane isaga waxaan ka jeclahay ba masoo galaan, waa bahal gangister ah oo askari ah, hadal kulul oo dab la'aan ah mooyee wax kaleba ma yaqaan uu indhaha wac kaga siiyo Kees iyo ragaan ogahay, marka ninkaas uu leeyahay tol baad tihiin aniga iyo isaga Khaalid baa ka xiriiir fiican so much for tol

[Khalid Ali]

that doesnt make sense how am i laangaab ur darood the smallest after that ur from the tiny marexaan
darood had 5 sons
isaaaq had 8 , so who is the laangaab

u still didnt asnwer the question why do i need to stand alone in koonfur when i have nothing to do with koonfuur its like me saying to you need to stand alone in Somaliland , a land that u have connection with

Frankly brother. I don’t even wanna entertain this conversation. I believe in federalism. Now you have a state. So do I. However, imperfectly it was constructed.

You have a state where. Ma jubbaland since when are u for jubbaland I thought u hated madooba Ogaden and their jubaland

[Gubbet]

Khalid, I agree Tuur was weak, indecisive, and incapable of leading his people. I wouldn't wish that kind of leader on my people and I would not wish it for you. While I was in Somaliland, wallahi multiple odayaal randome in conversations I struck up felt it important to tell me in detail the process the peace and post-1991 statemaking was achieved in Hargeisa. For some reason whenever they understood I was "Mareexaan", they responded with two things---1.) rer "Somalinimada" ku wayn tahay baan nahay, not necessarily Somalia politics, but Somalinimo, xiriirka dadka Soomaaliyeed ka dhaxeeyo which was a way of making me understand if we are separate politically, don't take that personally adeer sort of thing and 2.) make me understand goaanki rer Waqooyi qaateen in 1991 mid bulsho buu ahaa, not siyaasiin, but society. Even how SNM was disbanded to ever sections caaqil oo damaanad qaaday. Shirki Boorama and even Garaad Jaamac garwadeen laga dhigay oo xataa heshiis dhec dhigay Ciidagale iyo Sacad Muuse. To go back to Tuur---the title he carried and the authority was bestowed on him by the PEOPLE, bulshada Somaliland. Without that recognizance, he had no title and no authority. Tuur if he had a personal political vision which did not represent the people who crowned him their leader should have resigned and said I personally leave this project. But to claim the title bestowed on him and then leverage that title to something unsupported by the people who bestowed it on him was incredibly to disrespect and even take advantage of the people who showed him sharaf and honor. My opinion of Tuur changed completely when I was made aware of that perspective. Go'aanki MASIIRIGA ah uu qaatay Tuur did not belong to HIM, it belonged to the PEOPLE.

[Khalid Ali]

Spot on. The Somaliland case for independence was pushed by the people and only by the people if you ask me what caused me was the unfair treatment first in 1960. Then it was Cali Mahdi styled him self president with out the consultation of the snm . It wasn’t even much about the wars with siyad bare . Really taas wax laga heshiin karaya bay noqon lahayd. But there is fundamentally something wrong and dishonest about koonfurians and they have this idea that somaliland is like a gift granted to them . Now the decisions have been made the snm was for the. Most part a unionist organisation a few members might have flirted with an independent country but the overall majority and the policy of the snm was that if a United somaliland and Somalia u can even find. Muse biixi in 1989 there is a video on YouTube where the siyad barre govt accused that the snm was a secessionist movement Muuse clearly states we are fighting for all Somalia to be liberated by the dictatorial rule. And he was honest. Was somaliland indepedence a plan b maybe yeah

But your right on Tuur though his people opposed him he might have not believed in an indepependent somaliland but his people do his people held a shir in ceerigaabo the libaan shir this was during the isaaq civil war and said we oppose ina cigaal and his government but we are not on the same page as with Tuur this was all the prominent leaders of the habryunis declared this at the libaan shir . So Tuur was wrong but his people were right

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

Khalid, I agree Tuur was weak, indecisive, and incapable of leading his people. I wouldn't wish that kind of leader on my people and I would not wish it for you. While I was in Somaliland, wallahi multiple odayaal randome in conversations I struck up felt it important to tell me in detail the process the peace and post-1991 statemaking was achieved in Hargeisa. For some reason whenever they understood I was "Mareexaan", they responded with two things---1.) rer "Somalinimada" ku wayn tahay baan nahay, not necessarily Somalia politics, but Somalinimo, xiriirka dadka Soomaaliyeed ka dhaxeeyo which was a way of making me understand if we are separate politically, don't take that personally adeer sort of thing and 2.) make me understand goaanki rer Waqooyi qaateen in 1991 mid bulsho buu ahaa, not siyaasiin, but society. Even how SNM was disbanded to ever sections caaqil oo damaanad qaaday. Shirki Boorama and even Garaad Jaamac garwadeen laga dhigay oo xataa heshiis dhec dhigay Ciidagale iyo Sacad Muuse. To go back to Tuur---the title he carried and the authority was bestowed on him by the PEOPLE, bulshada Somaliland. Without that recognizance, he had no title and no authority. Tuur if he had a personal political vision which did not represent the people who crowned him their leader should have resigned and said I personally leave this project. But to claim the title bestowed on him and then leverage that title to something unsupported by the people who bestowed it on him was incredibly to disrespect and even take advantage of the people who showed him sharaf and honor. My opinion of Tuur changed completely when I was made aware of that perspective. Go'aanki MASIIRIGA ah uu qaatay Tuur did not belong to HIM, it belonged to the PEOPLE.

Tuur was feared by Ethiopian intelligence. Egal wasn’t. That’s why

[Khalid Ali]

When the late meles zenawi tried to disrespect ina cigaal Somalilands very statesmen He. Told him to fuck off and this was 1997 1998 when Eritrea and Ethiopia were beefing he went to Asmara and send a bold messege that he is not be messed with
Ina cigaaal directly delt with the masters of the Ethiopians whether they were Israelis or Americans.

[ReturnOfMariixmaan]

When the late meles zenawi tried to disrespect ina cigaal Somalilands very statesmen He. Told him to fuck off and this was 1997 1998 when Eritrea and Ethiopia were beefing he went to Asmara and send a bold messege that he is not be messed with
Ina cigaaal directly delt with the masters of the Ethiopians whether they were Israelis or Americans.

I know how to deal with matters of the night. Mentioning them two. Doesn’t scare me. The difference is. I don’t involve myself in your affairs due to our past. But I do point out hypocrisy my friend that’s all. Isaaq waa Isaaq. End of the day I don’t underestimate you or overestimate you. I’m indifferent. To secession I’m not.

[Khalid Ali]

U should be indifferent to secession to since it doesn’t concern you or affect you think about that for a second

[MidriGeez]

Midri u think its a joke and this is between darood subclans they foughts among themselves and hate each others the wars between hawiye vs darood are worse and more deadlier
or even between isaaq and darood are most deadliest and witht he most hateful passion are these wars fought

I never thought it was that bad, i mean I've known many Isaaq, Hawiya and Darood somali during my life especailly in High school and university but it looks like they behaved.

Whats the Beef between isaaq and darood? is it because of S/Land in the late 80's early 90's or was it there before?

[Khalid Ali]

It’s a bit complicated but it’s a bit deeper then that
There has t been a generation of calmness in the horn now between darood and isaaq this is the first . It’s because the majority of darood fear isaaq now because we are so powerful with Somaliland. If we were weak they would try to fight with us.
But it’s deeper then. The 1980s yes it plays a role but it’s not the only thing. In the 17 and 18 century there were wars. Then there was the defeat isaaq gave to the mad mulla. Then there was a decade of a bit calmness. Then general siyaad barre took and there was a decade of calmness then there was the 1980s. /!; the full blown war up to the early 1990s so it has always been a wars confrontation and hate on both sides . Hawiye and darood for the most part. Get along they have some beef now and then but not as much as darood and isaaq . And. Hawiye and isaaq have oke relations just don’t meet eye to eye on politics but there is not real deep seated hatret . When darood invaded hawiye. During. The Ethiopian invasion it was isaaq who turned into Allahabad and fought the Ethiopians and their darood stooges. Mujahid godane and sheikh ibrahim Afghani