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udun wrote:
We all know and the world knows that E. M. Forster and I Lewis are paid lobbyists for the secessionist junta, so you are not saying any thing new.

Somehow, when white guy says about some people, they seem to be very happy :shock: :lol:

Every man and his dog are quoting white men in this whole thread.Yet he latches on to the only Somaliland one in it

:lol: :lol:

I wonder why

The brilliant English Social anthropologist,

I. M. Lewis,

who is

neither of the Majerten

nor of the Moablen clan,
Anatomy of violence: understanding the systems of conflict and violence Page 133
Belachew Gebrewold,Belachew Gebrewold-Tochalo
Italian Colonialism in Somalia by Robert L Hess pp 152
A Tear For Somalia By Douglas Collins
Source: Bollettino della Società geografica italiana, Volume 28 By Società geografica italiana
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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RovingSlave,

It is you who's running like a headless chicken, making one foolish claim after the other. You started with saying a man who won 200 out of the 275 votes 'sneaked through' when it's the same man who sabotaged Abdiqassim's Salad. How powerful are you if you can destroy an entire government? Not your typical warlord ;) You admitted yourself that Abdullahi Yusuf destroyed TNG
Twisted_Logic wrote:
1)To give Ceyr access to Kismayo Port ( Ceyr later got access and profit from the Port-Fact)
2)Give Ceyr access to the charcoal trade ( Ceyr enriched themselves from the charcoal trade of the Jubooyinka- fact)
3)Get back at Abdullahi Yusuf and Majerteen who Ceyr blamed for the failure of the Ceyr-led TNG
Then you made an unconstitutional claim that a president can fire a PM, it only happened once and that was when AY fired Geedi while bombing his people. Donkey Shariif tried that but had to swallow his pride. Aden Abdulle might had a disagreement with Abdirashiid Sharmaake, but he couldn't fire him nor did he do that. Abdirashiid played smart, when he saw that he couldn't work with Aden Abdulle he resigned, his cousin replaced him, so that he could focus on the upcoming elections which he won by landslide!

Another ridiculous claim is that hawiye dominated SYL, while it's a fact that 4 of the founding members were Majeerteen, three Geledi's, three reer xamars and the raiming three wereAbgaal, haber gedir and Isaaq. Darood dominated SYL, don't excited by a Hawiye chairman because Abdullahi Ciise is a product of a Mareexaan investment.
In this formative periode, when the question of the future status of Somalia and the ex-Italian colonies was being heatedly debated by the four major powers and later by the United Nations, it was predictable the Darod-dominated S.Y.L which most adamently opposed the Italian return and campianged most strongly for independence and unity
http://books.google.nl/books?id=Zb6Tce4 ... YL&f=false
Indeed, by the time of independence in 1960 the Majerteyn sub-clan dominated the leadership of the Somali Youth League (SYL) – the independence party of Somalia – as well as the Civil Service, the Police & National Army, the Legislative Assembly and the business community.
Majerteyn political dominance in Somalia at that time is evidenced by the fact that the two first Prime Ministers of the Somali Republic, Abdirashid Ali Shermarke and Abdirazak Haji Hussein, were both Majerteyn as was the first National Police Chief, Mohammed Abshir. In addition, Abdirashid A. Shermarke went on to become President after the government lead by his clansman.This Darod domination of Somali politics was taken to its logical and ultimately destructive phase under the dictatorship of Siyad Barre, which did not try to disguise its deliberate and calculated mission of tribal hegemony.
Go choke on it, you are and were insignificant. Before the indepence Darood dominated the SYL and after the indepence Majeerteen dominated it.

Going back to the elections between Adan Abdulle and Abdirashiid Ali Sharmaake, it was when Aden Abdulle lost when your people start chanting `Marna Rashiid Marna Razaaq inta kale ma rootibaa´ because when Aden lost in 1967 Hawiye had nothing!!! Gen Daud died in 1964 and was replaced by MSB AUN, the head of police was Muhammed Abshir Muuse ´Hamaan´ and his deputy was Gen Qorsheel, a Warsangali, the President was Majeerteen and the PM was Isaaq. So it makes sense that the natives got jealous because they were put off side. No wonder you´re so bitter, you´ve been raised by people who were put in their place in their own city.

Not only are you bitter but you´re a fraud too. Why do you change your qoutes?
RovingMadness wrote: LMAO@ the history of Keenadid being written in gold :lol: :lol: Wallahi, you are one funny guy. This is the same Keenadid that sheltered and welcomed the Italian colonizers when Mudulood defeated them at Lafole.
”First Adowa, then Lafole; the future of Italian colonialism in the Horn of Africa looked very unpromising at th end of 1896 hand it not been for the Northeast Somalis"
The authentic qoute is: ”First Adowa, then Lafole; the future of Italian colonialism in the Horn of Africa looked very unpromising at the end of 1896” Full stop. it didn't even mention 'northeast somalis'. Fukcing fraud :down:

http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&biw=1 ... =&aql=&oq=

LOL@ the gabay of dharbaaxo jin, he's the same guy when a Majeerteen poet said 'join our struggle for i see a bloodshed in Berbera' he asnwered ' what's wrong if i am a subordinate to Mareexaan or Reer Diini'. You shouldn't qoute such a loser.

As for Keenadiid we had many discussions about it, i have no need to engage in it again. But i will tell you that you were always colonized by italians, the Zansibari sultaan you guys since 1828 while my forefathers were enjoying their freedom and where having fun with your closest of kin and the most militant amongst Hawiye: Haber gedir. Now i am mentally occupying you. Two of the most horrible Abgaal genocides happened because of me: Cali Mahdi and Geedi. You can huff and you can puff, but there's no majeerteen used by Abgaal while there are tons of you guys used by Majeerteen

Do i enjoy your people's suffering? No, i really don't. Do i like reminding bitter persons like you of their fate? Yes. Enjoy the misery majeerteen caused you :)
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Username1 wrote:Abdallah ow about this...
E. M. Forster wrote, “So Two cheers for Democracy: One because it admits variety and two because it permits criticism.” By this criterion, Democracy is rampant in Somaliland!

As Lewis has recently observed in **The Guardian**,** **“with virtually no external help [Somaliland R epublic] has built itself up by a remarkable series of internal peace agreements and democratic consolid ation to its current situation as a functioning democracy.”*

*Casting this same thought in our Somali context, I say again, Two cheers for Somaliland: one because it has convincingly eschewed and has escaped from the endless and the senseless death and destruction, from the Evil and the Chaos and the Cruelty that runs riot, that runs rife, that runs rampant in the rest of erstwhile Somalia save that entity that now calls itself Puntland that still hankers after and sighs for that now impossible perfidious Darod daydream that her sons will one day, once again, run and rule and ruin Hargaysa and Mogadishu as they had done once upon a time when they had managed to foist that cruel fantasy, that fool’s errand that had fooled us all, that hoax, that wild goose chase that goosed us all Somalis, that pitiful pipedream, that pie in the sky, that one sweet day all the five Somali partitions—Hargaysa, Mogadishu, Djibouti, Ogaden, NFD will join together as brothers and sisters in solidarity, in the unity of the Somali Spirit in the bond of peace and in the Greatest Somalia under a wise, selfless Somali, patriotic and loyal leadership. *

As we all so sadly know now that Never-never land was never to be.

*The people of Somaliland have escaped from the fate of that morgue called Mogadishu because they h ad the sense, the sanity, the sobriety, the sagacity, the serenity to sit together as brothers and sister s, to reason together as brothers and sisters under the shady Tree of Wise Counsel and learn and listen to their Elders who had told them, “Come. There is a way to be good again”; that “The only truth is good ness . . .Nobody wins with Evil or anger”; that Nobody wins with violence and with “ Force [that always] shites upon Reason’s Back.”

*Hargaysa and her citizens said with one sane sound voice of solid solidarity “Fool us once, shame on yo u; fool us twice, shame on us!” *

*They have reverted to what they once were before we Southerners had taken them in by betraying them and by betraying the sacred trust they once had had in that noble vision of Greatest Somalia. They reverted to what they once were before we Southerners had taken them for a long, genocidal, la mentable, reckless rude, rough ride, before they had fallen for our Southern trick, for our Southern tri pe, for our Southern trap—they have reverted to being what they were— Somaliland, without the Briti sh this time round.

*Voluntarily, freely, by her own free and informed will, Hargaysa had once cast her lot with Mogadishu; now once again, voluntarily, freely and by her own informed and democratic will, Hargaysa has decided to sail solo, to decouple, to divorce, to secede from her erstwhile unity with now Mad Mindless Morgue Mogadishu.

*Any fugly fool who argufies that Hargaysa cannot do that, cannot secede—well, tell that jinni jerk to jump in the Juba River and drink it dry.

*Knowing Somalis, there are such jinni jerks galore that love to argue with what is so obvious, with wh at is so apodictic.

*Why should the same Somali blue flag with the five-pointed star (each point representing the five col onial partitions of the Somali people) fly and flutter proudly over Hargaysa—the same flag of Perfidy, of Genocide, of Dishonor, of Deceit, of Disgrace, the filthiest rag of a flag in the world, that was stamped on the wings of the MiGs that rained ruin, death, destruction, disaster, on the defenseless folks of Harg aysa.

*Afweyne who attempted such a contemptible genocide of the Issaq couldn't have been happier as Har gaysa and her citizens lay dying, bleeding, prostrate, pitiful, burning “Far from feeling any remorse, Pre sident Barre was beside himself with joy at his ‘triumph’. According to one former Somali official who pai d a visit: I have never seen Barre so relaxed and happy throughout my long association with him. He did not look like a President who had just destroyed his second capital, causing so much suffering and angui sh. He simply saw himself as a Darod . . . chief who had totally annihilated an enemy clan.”

*As a matter of fact, Lewis wryly observes that the worst excess of this “Daarood tyranny of Mohamed Siyaad Barre” was the attempted genocide of the Isaaq clan-family whose traditional tribal turf—Soma liland---Afwayne wanted to hand over in toto to the Ogaadeen, his maternal uncles, cousins and agna tes: “Ogaadeeni refugees were at the same time encouraged to take over Isaaq shops and houses in w hat, after their bombardment by Siyaad’s forces, were effectively ghost towns. Thus, those who had been earlier received as refugee guests in northern Somaliland had supplanted their Isaaq hosts, and many of the latter, in this bitterest ironic turn of fate, had become refugees in the Ogadeen.”

*No wonder now Somalilanders had seceded from our once solemn and sacred Somali Unity and now ta unt us Southerners as faqash: pigs and contemptible clowns and collaborators and coons and quislings of that Darod foolish fiend, Afwayne.


*Nevertheless, I am content to cast this caveat, to bear witness to the fact that a fellow Abgal pilot had flown his MiG and her bombs or ordinance away from Hargaysa into the sea by Djibouti. Furthermore, I am also content to cast another caveat, to bear witness to another fact: to the chagrin and to the consternation and to the apoplexy of the Darod Dictator, Afweyne, my Abgal clan chanted defiantly to his face:

*Dalkaaga Daafac didimayno!
*Idoar ku duul donimayno!*

*We don’t refuse to defend notre patrie!*
*But we most definitely don’t want to raid and rout the Issaq!*

*Never ever again will the writ of another god damn Darod Doddering Despot and his Myrmidons, like Morgan, the butcher of Hargaysa, or like Gani, the Marehan gung-ho goon, hold sway in Somaliland!

*This I am most certain despite the daydreaming of the punks of Puntland!*

*My second cheer for Somaliland is that because her citizens had done what seems impossible in the re alm of African politics: when the majority of Somaliland—Issaq—couldn’t agree among themselves on wh ich of their subclans ought the President come from, they were wise enough to select, to elect a non-Issaq to rule them rather than hack each other to death as the hopeless, hapless, Hutu Hawiye Helots from whom I unfortunately hail had done and are doing right now as I write this.

*Tacitly, implicitly, the world already recognizes Somaliland as a nation and as a country and as a Repu blic that is civilized, sane, and peaceful. The whole world is stunned by what Somaliland had already done, not once but thrice: electing freely and fairly three different Presidents peacefully: Egal, Royal Riyale, and now Silanyo!*

*Lewis has concluded his **Guardian** article thus “It’s time now to learn from Somaliland's success and see how to emulate it.”

*I am sure that the people to whom Mogadishu really belongs are going to heed his advice and rid them selves of what he had once famously referred to as “ Habar Gidir invaders” and their useless idiots.

*Archimedes once famously said, “Give me a place to stand, and I will move the Earth.” Now that Somalil anders have a Democratic place to stand, Somaliland Republic, I am sure that they will soon move the w hole civilized world to reward them with a well-deserved, explicit and an unequivocal outright recognitio n . Somalilanders have already moved the world toward that direction by making peace and by maintain ing Hargaysa as a haven of Peace in the horror-hacked Horn of Africa.

*Peace, the most priceless blessing, that few folks in Africa are lucky enough to possess.

*Truth has come; falsehood, fatude and Afweyne and his merciless, mirthless M. O. D have fled! Afwayne’s terrible M. O. D. Troika: (M)arehan (O)gaden (D)hulbahante: the tyranny of Afwayne and his despicable Darod MAD M. O. D. : the primitive and savage tribal troika, the modus operandi of Afwayne, that had once tyrannized and terrorized both Mogadishu and Hargaysa for.

*over two decades is now no more.

*MOD: “M stands for the patrilineage (Marehan) of the Brute; O for that of his mother’s and this means the Ogaden people who live in the critically sensitive Ogaden border region of Ethiopia; and D for the Dul bahante, ‘literally he who conquered all the lands’; the lineage of his son-in-law,” aptly dubbed, Dafle, the snatcher, the head of the dreaded NSS [Nasty Sickie Snatchers]: Afwayne’s storm troopers. *

*“The implications were succinctly expressed in a popular explanatory verbal formula: The Marehan are drunk on power; the Dulbahante are drunk on pride; the Ogaden are drunk on powdered milk. The Powd ered milk donated by international aid signifies the fact the Ogaden were mostly refugees from Ethiopia; Somalia was not even their country.”


*Truth has come; falsehood has fled with Afweyne and his MOD!

*Somaliland has dawned!*

*Somaliland!**Hannoolatto!*

*Long live Somaliland!*

:lol: :lol:
We all know and the world knows that E. M. Forster and I Lewis are paid lobbyists for the secessionist junta, so you are not saying any thing new.

Somehow, when white guy says about some people, they seem to be very happy :shock: :lol:
This professor Togannes last poem about SL and not by any whiteman UDUN..SMH
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Ina-Prostitute,

I am enjoying how your lies are falling apart one by one, see how you have been reduced to the little retard you are? Right now, all you have are silly denials but trust me, they won't be able to save you. :idea:

Your rants are so comical, really one doesn't even have to reply to them, it is funny that you are using them in pace of logical arguments, but let's see the none sense you spewed in your post.
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It is you who's running like a headless chicken, making one foolish claim after the other. You started with saying a man who won 200 out of the 275 votes 'sneaked through' when it's the same man who sabotaged Abdiqassim's Salad. How powerful are you if you can destroy an entire government? Not your typical warlord ;) You admitted yourself that Abdullahi Yusuf destroyed TNG

Then you made an unconstitutional claim that a president can fire a PM, it only happened once and that was when AY fired Geedi while bombing his people. Donkey Shariif tried that but had to swallow his pride. Aden Abdulle might had a disagreement with Abdirashiid Sharmaake, but he couldn't fire him nor did he do that. Abdirashiid played smart, when he saw that he couldn't work with Aden Abdulle he resigned, his cousin replaced him, so that he could focus on the upcoming elections which he won by landslide!
This is a good example of how superficial your thinking is and it shows how devoid of logic and coherency your rants are. The TNG's mandate was over and another conference was held which saw the election of Abdullahi Yusuf, what is so fascinating about this? If you want to talk about destroying a government, then a good example would be Col Nuur Cade dismantling Abdullahi Yusuf's TFG, forcing the Ethiopians out of the country and exiling Abdullahi Yusuf to Yemen to die in a foreign country just like Boqor Osman and Keenadid; all which were accomplished within a year. This is the real meaning of political coup. But then you are a moron and you wouldn't know anything of value if it hit you in the face.

Lol, about the firing of Abdirashid Sharmarke, I provided a specific quote in which President Aden Abdulle Osman was Threatening to fire him if he didn't do his job, and within a year or two, Abdirashid Sharmarke was out of office. What more do you want? See all you have are denials :lol:
He replied that he encourages individual or group protests to be sent to him. As they arrive, he passes the compliment on to the prime minister to investigate and to provide the president’s office with the facts of the situation. If the government’s reply is incomplete, or unsatisfactory, the president “requests” that reforms be made.

“Could your “request” for reform be better termed an ‘order’?” I asked.


The president smiled; he has an easily stimulated but gentle sense of humor.

Since I can ask the Prime Minister to resign,” he said, “my “requests” are usually followed!"


Four Ways of Politics: State and Nation in Italy, Somalia, Israel and Iran By E A Bayne Copyright 1965 [/b]

As I said, there is No such thing as resigning in politics, this is a stupid point to make. No-one just wakes up and says, "I resign" Abdirashid Sharmarke resigned the same way his son Omar Abdirashid Sharmarke and Abdullahi Yusuf resigned- i.e. forced out. And saying "his cousin" was chosen Prime Minister shows how out of touch of reality you are with history. Throughout their political history, Abdi razzaq Haji Hussain and Abdirashid Sharmarke were political enemies and in fact, Abdi razzaq Haji Hussain and Gen Mohamed Abshir are even suspected of being behind the death of Abdirashid Sharmarke. Good luck, with spinning the facts.

In the end, Sh Sharif did in fact FIRE Omar Abdirashid Sharmarke the same way his father was fired by Aden Abdulle Osman decades ago. I don't even know what you rants are all about. Point is, both Sh Sharif and President Aden Abdulle Osman had their way and they expunged their opponents. :up:

With regards to the founding 13-members of the SYL, for one, your credibility is out of the question because your are the guy claiming that Mohamed Faarax Hilowle ( Farnaajo) as Habar Gidir and Mohamed Ali Nuur as being Reer Xamar when BOTH men were Mudulood. All you have are some retarded claims that have ZERO historical grounds. Mohamed Faarax Hilowle (Farnaajo) and Mohamed Ali Nuur are not some random people whose identity can be obscured easily and it is a known fact that they form 2/4th of the famous 4 Mudulood men in the 13-founders of the SYL. Questioning this fact just shows what an illiterate troll you are. So, I don't want you raising this question ever again, jaahil yaho.

On the question of Hawiye dominance of the SYL in the 1950s and 1960s, well no-one questioned that Majerteen were majority of the party in its initial stages, but they lost the majority and were in fact expunged from the party once Prime Minister Abdullahi Cisse came to power. Even the source you posted makes this clear, again you are just whining about nothing:
In this formative periode, when the question of the future status of Somalia and the ex-Italian colonies was being heatedly debated by the four major powers and later by the United Nations, it was predictable the Darod-dominated S.Y.L which most adamently opposed the Italian return and campianged most strongly for independence and unity
http://books.google.nl/books?id=Zb6Tce4 ... YL&f=false

Again that was never my point, my point was clearly in regards to who was in charge of the SYL in the 1950s and 1960s and the source you presented actually DESTROYS your little rant.
In the first Somali government formed after these elections, the Darod hegemony received a severe jolt. The Prime Minister appointed by the Italian authorities, was Hawiye, and he selected a cabinet which favoured Hawiye rather than Darod affiliation. This led to dissension within the ranks of the party, and prompted the strong faction within it to adopt a more radical stance on the issues of Somali unification and independence than the Prime Minister's own immediate supporters. This encouraged the Hawiye wing within the league to seek allies amongst the Digil and Rahanwin to buttress growing Darod disaffection; and this new drive for allies amongst the Southern cultivators was aided by the latter's heterogeneous clan composition. Particularly amongst those elements of the Digil and Rahanwin who were of northern nomadic origin ( Darod and Hawiye, etc.), and who were relatively recent clients recruits, there was a growing pressure for the assertion for the assertion of traditional clan identity.

The Darod weere, if anything, again under-represented, and their most radical faction remained dissatisfied and higly critical of the Prime Minister and his policies. for short time indeed their leaders were expelled from the party.
http://books.google.nl/books?id=Zb6Tce4 ... ye&f=false

See how even the sources you brought to supposedly refute my points destroy your assertions while enriching mine? :lol:
The delicate issue of Greater Somalia, whose recreation would entail the detachment from Ethiopia, Djibouti, and Kenya of Somali-inhabited areas, presented Somali leaders with a dilemma: they wanted peace with their neighbors, but making claims on their territory was certain to provoke hostility. Led by Haaji Mahammad Husseen, the SYL radical wing wanted to include in the constitution an article calling for the unification of the Somali nation "by all means necessary." In the end, the moderate majority prevailed in modifying the wording to demand "reunification of the dismembered nation by peaceful means."

During the four-year transition to independence, conflicts over unresolved economic and political issues took the form of intraparty squabbling within the dominant SYL rather than interparty competition, as Daarood and Hawiye party stalwarts banded into factions. The Daarood accused Iise's government of being under Italian influence and the Hawiye countered with a charge of clannishness in the Daarood ranks. Husseen's radical faction continued to charge Iise's government with being too close to the West, and to Italy in particular, and of doing little to realize the national goal of reconstituting Greater Somalia. Despite his rift with prime minister Iise, Husseen, who had headed the party in the early years, was again elected SYL president in July 1957. But his agenda of looser ties with the West and closer relations with the Arab world clashed with the policies of Iise and of Aadan Abdullah Usmaan, the parliamentary leader who would become the first president of independent Somalia. Husseen inveighed against "reactionaries in government," a thinly veiled reference to Iise and Usmaan. The latter two responded by expelling Husseen and his supporters from the SYL. Having lost the power struggle, Husseen created a militant new party, the Greater Somali League (GSL). Although Husseen's firebrand politics continued to worry the SYL leadership, he never managed to cut deeply into the party's constituency.
http://countrystudies.us/somalia/14.htm
In 1952, Xaaji Maxamad Xuseen went to Cairo, and the Hawiya wing of the SYL became more powerful. In the 1956 elections, the last to be held under direct Italian supervision, the SYL maintained its dominance, and the Italian administration appointed Cabdullahi Ciise as the FIRST Prime Minister of an all-Somali government. This signaled another change in the SYL's character, for Cabdullahi Ciise and the then SYL President, Aaden Cabdulle Cismaan, were both on good terms with the Italian administration.*

*Castagno, pp 523-25, Explains the change in the power balance by suggesting that the British Military Administration favored the Daarod clan, while the Italian Administration favored the Hawiya.
Politics, Language and Thought:The Somali Experience By David Laitin pp-100

Going to the source you used, the quote specifically says the Darod enemies of the Hawiye-wing of the SYL were expelled from the party. Men like Muse Boqor were humiliated by Prime Minister Abdullahi Cisse when he disqualified them based on their mental state :lol: This is an article by the TIME Magazine covering the political genius of Prime Minister Abdullahi Cisse and how he dismantled his political opponents:
Greater or Little. A leader with a taste for loud ties but moderate policies, Issa prodded the Italians into their promise of early independence. But then Haji Mohammed Hussein, an oldtime nationalist rabble-rouser whose oratory once made Somalis whip off their scarves in frenzy and fling them into the air, arrived back in Mogadiscio from four years' self-imposed exile as one of Nasser's Cairo broadcasters. Almost at once Haji Mohammed formed a Greater Somali League to rival Issa's Somali Youth League, and charged that Issa favored a Little Somalia, confined to Italian Somaliland, because he feared his Hawiya tribe would be swamped in a state that brought 3,000,000 Somalis together. On the eve of showdown elections last spring, Haji Mohammed was refused permission to lead a parade of his partisans in Mogadiscio. "The blood is on the government's head if blood is spilled," he cried. Next day Haji Mohammed was arrested, two of his followers died and 16 more were hurt in rioting.

Peaceful or Violent. In the election, Issa's forces won 83 out of 90 parliamentary seats. But Haji Mohammed's oratory had its effects: no Somali politician any longer dared publicly oppose a union of all the Somali people. Last week, working anxiously to keep Somali scarves on, Issa put through a legislative resolution asking the Italians for independence "as soon as possible." He also announced formation of a new Pan-Somali National Movement, with representatives from Somalia, British Somaliland, French Somaliland, and the Somali-speaking provinces of Ethiopia and Kenya—but pledged to seek Somali unity by "legal and peaceful means." Hard on the heels of these acts, Issa brought Haji Mohammed and 40 followers to trial in Mogadiscio's white, one-story Court of Assizes, on charge of inciting disobedience to law and stirring up "class," i.e., tribal, hatred. Two Italians took charge of the defense, because, an official explained, "there are no Somali lawyers extant".
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/artic ... 70,00.html

:lol: :lol: :lol: @ Prime Minister Abdullahi Cisse's connection with Marehan. Calling the man that has single-handedly brought down the Darod wing of the SYL and expelled them " A Marehan" is an insult to the Lion of Somalia, and it just shows desperation on your part. That's like me calling Farmaajo Hawiye because his mom is one. You are retarded and it is not even funny. :idea:

The quote "marna Rashid marna Razzaq" was made when Abdirashid was fired and replaced by Abdirazzaq Haji Hussain, again you are making one stupid claim after another because you have no facts to back you up. As I said, that quote had nothing to do with Hawiye or any other clan except Darod. The great statesman Farah Golaley was asking whether the rest of the Darod were bread to be eaten. I don't even know how one can twist and turn it and apply it generally on anyone else when it was meant and made for Darod. Again, desperation, kid. But I am not surprised. When the quote was made, President Aden Abdulle Osman was the President, General Daud Abdulle Hirsi was the head of the Military, Abdullahi Cisse was the Foreign Minister, another Mudulood men was the Information Minister and Justice Ministers and a Xawadle was th Minister of Labour. The Mayor of Mogadishu was also Mudulood and the Somali Military was also overwhelmingly Mudulood. This is not even a point open to reinterpretation. One can make an emphatic statement that there was almost NO Majerteen in the Somali Military except few low-level officials. Majerteen had many officers in the Police Force- Not the Military. Get your facts correct. :idea:
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Regarding Colonization period, you come from the clan that was using their daughters as prostitutes and cooperating with the colonizers. Sadly for your, ultimately, Amina Boqor Osman was divorced on the spot by the British Officer and both Boqor Osman and Keenadid were arrested and died at the hands of Hawiye mobs in Mogadishu. Talk about being used and abused. And you have the nerve to question the glorious history of Mudulood when you are Majerteen? :lol:

This is your history of prostitution. Weep on it :idea:
On 10 October 1892 the Sultan of Obbia wrote to Filonardi, the architect of the Italian colonial administration in Somalia:

"We inform that this year we have been adandoned and there was no steamboat that has come to us, as it was the practice. Nobody has brought to us the woods and we have neither food nor cartridges. There was a serious war this year. The inhabitants of the desert have rebelled against us and there was a fighting in which some of ours have been killed.

After the departure of the steamboat Esfita we hoped some one would come from your side, but until now nobody came. On the date of this letter Abu Bakr bin Auad has arrived bringing to us the payment of the year 1891. We hope you will help us with food and the supply of war material, because we are under your protection and your flag. We would not think that you have abandoned us.

Now we wish your arrival together with what we have requested. ABu Bakr bin Auad will give full information. We hope you come soon this year to negotiate together.

Now we have two countries: Obia and Eil Hur and we have many soldiers different than before. Those of our friends killed are 11. Our saia (boat) has broken down this year at Obbia with some of our properties on board. We need money and we are without boat. You are our friend and we do not know other Christians besides you, and we defend your flag.” :down: :down: :down:
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Just yet, we are approached by a dau (small elder) of Sultan Mahmud Osman, and through his nacttda know that the sultan was not Allula, but finds the town of vessels Bared, where soon we sent a message to warn of our arrival.

On that day at the beach with the sea waves broke loose and soft, but very large, so much so, despite repeated attempts, we were able to board the boat to go ashore without plunging into the water. But I did not I noticed that more time, I undressed and gained the shore by swimming, where I had a really 'reception ultra friendly, very affectionate, a crowd of people waiting for me on the beach, happy to see me get to their primitive way , to find many friends and know that you had left. :down:
Using daughters as prostitutes is a part of your culture, kid. Boqor Osman even married his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan for political reasons only for her to be humiliated and sent back: :lol:

At one time he had even presented one of his daughters to Muhammad Abdullah as a bride. But with the onset of dervish raids into the Mijjertein, Osman Mahmud broke off all relations with them, and when Muhammad Abdullah cut the throat of his new bride in retaliation, Osman Mahmud turned to the Italians and demanded an honarable settlement with them.
* Italian Colonialism in Somalia by Robert L Hess pp 142

As I said I am not going to offend the memory of my grandfathers that were the first Somalis to kill colonizers at Warshiekh and who fought so gallantly at Lafole by comparing them to the clan of prostitutes and slaves of the colonizers. However, this two news items on the NEW YORK TIMES clearly and comprehensively compare and contrast your clan and mine. As I told you, your entire history is based on prostitution. Don't blame me when the facts don't support the bedroom fantasies your were raised with.
SOMALIS TO BE PUNISHED.
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For the Murder of Italians at Magadoxo, Africa.

Rome, Dec. 3.—In the chamber of Deputies today the Marquis Visconti Venosti, Minister of Foreign Affaires, confirmed the reports from Zanzibar of the murder of the Italian Consul, Signor Cecchi, the Captains, and a number of officers of the Italian warships Volturno and Staffeta, and the wounding of 100 or more other Italians by Somalis at Magadoxo. The men had fallen into an ambuscade and were attacked without warning.
The Government , the Minister said, would take energetic measures to punish the Somalis who were guilty of the outrage.
The Marquis said that the confirmatory reports showed that fourteen Italians had been killed, together with a number of the escorts of the Italians whose caravan was attacked during the night. Twenty-seven bodies were recovered by a rescue party when hurried to the scene from Magadoxo when the news of fighting reached there. The rescuers arrested a number of the Somalis who participated in the massacre and punished them appropriately. Many of the Somalis tribesmen were also killed by the Italians in the fight that followed the attack on the caravan.

The New York Times
Published: December 4, 1886
http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-fr ... 5B8685F0D3

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SOMALI WANT TO FIGHT

The New York Times, pg. 8

Nov 22, 1914



Jubaland Chiefs Send Plea to England to Join the Army



London, Nov. 10 -the London Times has received from a correspondent a copy of a petition signed by the principal Somali chiefs in Jubaland, asking that they be allowed to fight for England. The document is as follows:



To His Highness the Governor,

Through the Hakim of Jubaland



Salaams, yea, many salaams, with God's mercy, blessing, and peace. After Salaams,



We, the Somali of Jubaland, both Herti and Ogaden, comprising all the tribes and including the Maghaubul, but not including the [Tolomooge] Ogaden, who live in Biskaya and Tanaland and the Merehan, desire humbly to address you.



In former days the Somali have fought against the Government. Even lately the Marehan have fought against the Government. Now we have heard that the German Government have declared war on the English government. Behold, our "fitna" against the English Government is finished. As the Monsoon wind drives the sand hills of our coast into new forms, so does this this news of German evil-doing drive our hearts and spears into the service of the English Government. The Jubaland Somali are with the English Government. Daily in our mosques we pray for the success of the English armies. Day is as night and night is as day with us until we hear that the English are victorious. God knows the right. He will help the right. We have heard that the Indian Askaris have been sent to fight for us in Europe. Humbly we ask why should not the Somali fight for England also. We beg the Government to allow our warriors to show their loyalty. In former days the Somali tribes made fitna against each other. Even now it is so: it is our custom; yet with the Government against the Germans we are as one, ourselves, our warriors, our women, and our children. By God it is so.



A few days ago many troops of the military left this country to eat up the Germans who have invaded our country in Africa. May God prosper them. Yet, Oh Hakim, with all humbleness we desire to beg of the Government to allow our sons and warriors to take part in this great war against the German evildoer. They are ready. They are eager. Grant them the boon. God and Mohammed is with us all.



If Government wish to take away all the troops and police from Jubaland, it is good. We pledge ourselves to act as true Government askaries until they return.



We humbly beg that this our letter may be placed at the feet of our King and Emperor, who lives in England, in token of our loyalty and our prayers.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.h ... 5B848DF1D3

You accusing me of fraud when you are the guy claiming Mohamed Farah Hilowle and Mohamed Ali Nuur of not being Mudulood and even deleted the sentence " Nuux Mohamed maintained a LOW STATUS among the Abgaal" from the quote you used? :lol: You should actually read the book and educate yourself about your real history instead of throwing stupid fits. :idea:

Humiliation and prostitution are the only themes your history is built on. I mean, you come from the clan that welcomes Abdi Qaybdid with flowers and kisses every-time he comes to your regions, the same man that massacred more than 1000 Majerteen in one night. This sums up your significance.

I hope you learned a good lesson on this thread. :idea:
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Its okay to be a slave, but don't be a dumb one and use false information:

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Comic Sans font was invented in 1994.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans

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^ Look what a simple edit can do.

But we all know the fate of a slave, back in chains:

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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:
But we all know the fate of a slave, back in chains:

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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Monk-of-Mogadishu wrote:Its okay to be a slave, but don't be a dumb one and use false information:

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Comic Sans font was invented in 1994.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_Sans

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^ Look what a simple edit can do.

But we all know the fate of a slave, back in chains:

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There is nothing photo-shopped about that image, the one I posted is real while the one you posted is obviously tempered with. Anyways, I am interested in the captions. Can you dispute the fact that your ancestors were being slaves while mine were fighting against the colonizers? Your entire history is built on prostitution.

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We returned to Alula, both angry, and the doubt and suspicion grew until like the kherif outside, they screamed through my tortured mind that my love meant nothing to her, that she really loved Sheik Abdurraham Mursal's son and that she was just a tool of her father, the Sultan, and was merely pretending a love of make-believe in order to further the ends of her tribe.

LOL@ the picture of Mohamed Dheere. He was arrested by his own cousin and is today a free man. There is no way you can compare him to the prostitute slaves of your grandfathers :lol:
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Twisted madness,

The moment you start falsifying information is the moment you have lost an argument. Point blank PERIOD. lol. Anyone with even the smallest amount of intelligence knows that this picture below was doctored.

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Like Monk pointed out, the font did not come into existence until 1994. Having said that, the burden of proof is on you, so where is your source?

Secondly, with regards to Douglas Collins book "A Tear For Somalia", it was written in 1960. The drawing ( because that's what it is.. it's not a picture!) was done by Bruno di Sopra. He came to Somalia as a member of the British Camel Corps after WWII ( that means after 1945) so how could he write anything about the Boqors daughter before that date? How could he write anything about her at all when the former Sultanate was under Italian rule at that time? It's laughable that you take this book to be anything more than a work of erotic fiction.
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Amethyst,

That was a futile damage-control. Let's pretend for a second that the picture I posted is fake and altered, how do you explain or justify this statement by an Italian Official in Allula?
Just yet, we are approached by a dau (small elder) of Sultan Mahmud Osman, and through his nacttda know that the sultan was not Allula, but finds the town of vessels Bared, where soon we sent a message to warn of our arrival.

On that day at the beach with the sea waves broke loose and soft, but very large, so much so, despite repeated attempts, we were able to board the boat to go ashore without plunging into the water. But I did not I noticed that more time, I undressed and gained the shore by swimming, where I had a really 'reception ultra friendly, very affectionate, a crowd of people waiting for me on the beach, happy to see me get to their primitive way , to find many friends and know that you had left.
The general point I was making is obviously that Majerteen were working hand in glove with the British and Italian Colonizers when others were fighting for Somali freedom and honor. Ultimately, they were discarded and some of their leading men like Boqor Osman and Keenadid were captured and killed in Mogadishu by the same colonizers they initially worked with. Can you refute this point? I don't think so. So, fixating on one image which fits a historical narrative is futile when you very well know that the documents and sources cited are authentic and historically valid.

With regards to the Douglas Collins book, don't even go there with me. Anyone who has read the book knows that it is an autobiography and chronicles the live and times of the British District Commissioner Douglas Collins. He spent 10 years in Somalia as a British District Commissioner and later wrote a book describing his life. It is futile whether he wrote the book in 1960 or the 1920s. That's like saying Jimmy Carter couldn't write a book in 2011 since he was a President in the 1970s. It is a funny point to make. Besides the official description of Douglas Collins' A Tear for Somalia explicitly states:

A Tear For Somalia by Douglas Collins (1960) is his fascinating story of African adventure. Collins spent ten years as a District Commissioner in Somalia

http://www.shakariconnection.com/old-ti ... books.html

So where are you getting these ideas that it is some "erotic" book? That is a laughable assumption to make. Boqor Osman was defeated and arrested by Hawiye fighters in March 1927 and brought to Mogadishu where he died. So, if Douglas Collins published his book in 1960 and spent 10 years in Somalia as a District Commissioner, then he very well could have been married to Amina Boqor Osman in the 1920s and earlier. One more point about your idea of A Tear of Somalia being a work of erotic fiction. Sorry to inform you, but the book is listed in the Library of Congress among such works as Louis FitzGibbons' The Betrayal of the Somalis and Paolo Contini's The Somali Republic: An Experiment in Legal Integration. under the section of "COUNTRY STUDIES" try another trick, buddy.

http://memory.loc.gov/frd/cs/somalia/so_bibl.html

One more last point, the history of Boqor Osman using his daughters for political gains is not isolated or limited to Amina Boqor Osman. He in fact married his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassa "Mad Mullah" for exactly the same reason Amina Boqor Osman was marrried to Douglas Collins- Political leverage!

At one time he had even presented one of his daughters to Muhammad Abdullah as a bride. But with the onset of dervish raids into the Mijjertein, Osman Mahmud broke off all relations with them, and when Muhammad Abdullah cut the throat of his new bride in retaliation, Osman Mahmud turned to the Italians and demanded an honarable settlement with them.
* Italian Colonialism in Somalia by Robert L Hess pp 142

Better luck next time :up:

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Most books written at the time of A Tear For Somalia were illustrated. The point you made about the book being illustrated is mute
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Amethyst,

One more nail in the coffin for your argument. This is the author's foreword another book called Tales from Africa which in fact contains excerpts from his earlier book A Tear from Somalia. In the foreword, Douglas Collins states:
I have written of the assorted faces of Africa, from as far North as the Horn, the Somalilands- the legendery Land of Punt-to as far south as the Limpopo.

I have served in Africa as soldier, administrative officer and professional hunter. I lived in an old Arab house Lamu for Fifteen years, where I learned of Shiekhs and slaves, met hippies, drunks and made friends.

The stories are mere memories, which bring pleasure to me as I recall them, and which, I sincerely hope, will bring pleasure and an occassional smile to those that read them.
http://books.google.com/books?id=ybUQ71 ... rd&f=false

Good luck, arguing that A Tear For Somalia is a work of "erotic" fiction :lol:
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Roving,

lol. There's no damage control anything, If anything i'm saving you from looking really dumb right now with ur lips around these colonizers d!cks trynna blow em up larger than they really were. For starters, I asked you a simple question, where is your source for the bendar kassim pic? It was a simple request. Instead of running in circles, why don't you answer the question? :?

Secondly, as I stated before and you can argue otherwise all u want, A Tear For Somalia was written in 1960. Douglas Collins arrived in Somalia as a part of the Camel Crops after WWII. Since the Second World War ended in 1945, it's impossible for his account to be anything but a work of fiction. Technically, the segment of the book that you presented would be considered erotic since it is nothing more than the typical colonial fantasy of having relations with a female of noble lineage. At least Jimmy Carter was there in the 1970's when he was the president. This guy wasnt even around. Also, you do know that the camel corps were stationed in BRITISH somaliland, not italian Somaliand, right?

Again, you presented a picture that was supposed taken in 1936 in Bender Kassim but there are no pictures in this book? lol. Come on now! Camera's existed during that time period, why would illustrations be needed unless this was fictional story? I say, you might as well have presented a picture book of the easter bunny and lochness as ur evidence of their existance too. lol. honestly dont even bother replying if you will not present ur source for the pic because all uve really done so far is to proven urself to be a liar. I mean if ur on here with a manipulated picture and tried to present a "work of fiction" as History, what else are u really lying about, eh? :)
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Roving, Farmaajo's mom is Darod (Dhulbahante) but beyond that what kind of tribal carnage took place here. :lol: I warned Abdalla about starting a retrograde tribal flame war and push came to shove, he seems to have dropped the ball in this bloodbath. :|
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Re: Protests against the UN interference all over in Somalia

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Amethyst,

Rest assured, given your ancestry, you would do a better job of bending over and taking it all in from the Colonizers. So no need to outsource your culture to me. :idea: All you have done really is provide some petty yawn-inducing denials and ignorance in a futile attempt to deny the facts. But tough luck for you. It has already been established that the Douglas Collins' A Tear for Somalia is listed on the Library of Congress as "his fascinating story of African adventure. Collins spent ten years as a District Commissioner in Somalia. next to leading historical books on Somalia. So no amount of refutations and ignoring the facts will save you here. There is NOT a SINGLE credible source that can call A Tear for Somalia as a work of fiction and Douglas Collins himself states in the foreword section of the book that it is a "personal account" So who are you to say that it is a work of fiction? Your denials are hilarious, runti. Besides, why is it so hard to believe that Boqor Osman was using his daughters as political tools when YET ANOTHER Italian source is also stating that he presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan AKA Mad Mullah only for her to be tortured and sent back? Your deliberately creating a confusion when none exists and that is sadly lame. But it won't succeed with me. :idea:

As for the authenticity of my sources, well unlike some people here, I am actually presenting one source after another complete with links and highlighting, if you refuse to believe them, that is your problem, buddy. Not mine. Despite all your denials, you still are yet to refute that:

1) Amiina Boqor Osman was used by her father as a prostitute to achieve certain political ends
2) That Boqor Osman presented his other daughter to Mohamed Abdulle Hassan as a gift only for her to be tortured and sent back
3) Douglas Collins spent 10 years in Somalia as a British District Commissioner as stated by Douglas Collins in his book
4) Yet to refute that quote I posted next to the Majerteen carrying the Colonial office as being false.

With regards to the Bender Kassim picture, let's for a second pretend it is photoshopped, how do you justify this statement?
Just yet, we are approached by a dau (small elder) of Sultan Mahmud Osman, and through his nacttda know that the sultan was not Allula, but finds the town of vessels Bared, where soon we sent a message to warn of our arrival.

On that day at the beach with the sea waves broke loose and soft, but very large, so much so, despite repeated attempts, we were able to board the boat to go ashore without plunging into the water. But I did not I noticed that more time, I undressed and gained the shore by swimming, where I had a really 'reception ultra friendly, very affectionate, a crowd of people waiting for me on the beach, happy to see me get to their primitive way , to find many friends and know that you had left
If your people were coming out in droves to welcome the Italian Colonizers at their shores, why is it hard to believe that they would lift them up and carry them around? :?

If your entire tactic is disregarding whatever you have no answer for, then thats also your problem. I am posting these facts so people can see through the mythology being pushed by some. Whether you agree or not is futile, really. Let the other readers examine and draw their own conclusions. No need to push your opinions down our throats :up:
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