What Led To Siyad Bare's Downfall?

[Gedo_Boy]

in addition to that, when the USC forces came in they showed they had no capacity for leadership b/c they were only engaged in looting, killing, pillaging even the national resources.

that's something TPLF didn't do

[Warsame101]

I remember an argument that DS once brought forth. Mengistu, who killed over a million Ethiopians, was easily deposed, and Ethiopians created an interim government after reconciling. And this is coming from a nation of 70 million.

USC the anti-Daarood squad, destroyed what ever central-system we had and deposed President M S Barre. In addition, they went on a genocidal spree, destroyed the major towns, introduced isbaaros, sold our treasures and yet continue kept the city hostage after 17 years old. Their rational excuse? It was M S Barre's fault.

[wadaniweyn1]

Also Wadaniwein to make you happy, I'll say your cheap little militia (SNM), that was hiding in mountains until '91, was indeed victorious over MSB's army, and are world beaters.
{quote} luq ganaane.


it looks like some ppl r still bitter and angry dat snm mujahiideen sent dem to kukuumbu and utanga u can cry all u want but da fact remains ur big mouthed aabo was sent to niggeria and he died the death of a coward who was chased by force from his land to adoonland

''SOMALI PRESIDENT PROPOSES ADOPTION OF MULTI-PARTY SYSTEM.''

"President Barre offers new talks to rebel leaders.''

too little tooo late

[AbdiWahab252]

GedoBoy,

Killing Darood

I guess Cumar Jess and SPM were not Darood.

Caydiid did not have an enemity against Darood. His beef was with Siyaad Barre.


Again to sum it up, Barre came to power in a BLOODLESS coup and was unopposed militarily from the 1st day. However, he refused to have a BLOODLESS exit.

Warsame101,

If Siyaad had left power and gone into exile without the USC reaching Xamar, the pressure would have been on the USC-SPM-SNM block. They would have had to quickly form a government of national unity.


Before Siyaad Barre left Xamar, he laid the seeds for a tribal war by:

1. Ordering his Red Berets to conduct house to house searches for NonDarood personalities and to kill them.
2. Began the shelling of Hawiye dominated sectors with BM artillery squads.

His biggest fear was that if there was no DAROOD vs. HAWIYE war, he would have never had the opportunity for a comeback.

[Somaliweyn]

too little tooo late to save his ass

He should have thought about negotation before throwing people into the prison for speaking the truth.

[Gedo_Boy]

^^^ keep blaming him for your problems waa adiga har iyo habeen cabaad meesha la soo taagan it doesn't look like you're doing any better.........so Viva M Dheere

[muktaar]

i gave u motha fukas the honest answer already

his dmise came when he start finger fukin gorwn azz qaldaan men

[Warsame101]

[quote="AbdiWahab252"]

1. Ordering his Red Berets to conduct house to house searches for NonDarood personalities and to kill them.
2. Began the shelling of Hawiye dominated sectors with BM artillery squads.

His biggest fear was that if there was no DAROOD vs. HAWIYE war, he would have never had the opportunity for a comeback.[/quote]


This is one of the main reasons why I do not pay attention to you. A man who was in Nigeria when the civil war occured is telling me, who actually witnessed the civil war enfolding, about what exactly happend.

There were no shellings you idiot, the USC gang withs its drug-crazed child soldiers shelled everywhere. The Red Berrets were in the presidential palace and near the airport.

When Barre left Xamar, it was in perfect condition, two months later, Cali Mahdi and Caydiid shell Xamar to the ground using whatever weapons they have, including tanks. Over 30,000 died in mere months. Cali Mahdi wanted to become president, Caydiid wanted to become the president.


you said:
[quote]If Siyaad had left power and gone into exile without the USC reaching Xamar, the pressure would have been on the USC-SPM-SNM block. They would have had to quickly form a government of national unity.[/quote]

USC did form a government and Cali Mahdi proclaimed himself president. SNM were shocked about this and cut themselves off from the USC lunatics. You words are once again based on baseless assumptions which leads me to believe that you do not know what you are talking about.

Whether Barre left an hour earlier or a day later, it would not have made any difference. Caydiid wanted to become the new president but Cali Mahdi had a different agenda, thus they clashed, Xamar destroyed, tens-of-thousands of people died.

Even 17 years later, the fued of Abgaal-Habar Gidir is still alive.

[Luq_Ganane]

Isn't it funny how its Hawiye who calacal after MSB the most? They want to blame their incompetence in administering Xamar and Shabeelaha for the last 17 years on MSB. I've noticed that Majerten, Issaq although they hate MSB, they spend more time on moving on and going forward then continuing to think about him. Abdiwahab the bottom line is your entire clan (Hawiye) followed a Lunatic, who today has you guys in 100 times worse position then under MSB. I think its that painful truth that haunts you. Anyway, this is the last time I will engage in discourse with you in regards to MSB and his reign, until you prove your not one of these idiot qabil drunk kids on Somalinet.

[Somaliweyn]

No one is blaming Siad Barre for what he hasn't done. We are blaming him for what he did but for some reason many people from his clan want us to ignore or forget that dark legacy of him.

Look everybody has his history, when it comes to discussing Maxamed Siad Barre's history his legacy is dark, otherwise he would have been given a proper state funeral in Mogadishu while everybody was mourning instead of celebrating when he died in Nigeria.

[Alluring]

Somaliweyn.

If Siad Barre (AUN) was a horrible man, why didn't he stay in Xamar? He left to an adoon place for the sake of the animals not buring Xamar down, but they did anyway.

Siad Barre(AUN) made mistakes, but his greatest mistake was not shooting Aidid right inbetween the eyes, when he had a chance.

[Luq_Ganane]

Alluring leave them. Hawiye today are happy and "free".

[Somaliweyn]

Whats with this obsession with Aideed.

Siad Barre was brought down by the brave Mogadishu masses. Aideed was in Mustaxiil or Hiiraan at that time.

It was the Kacdoonka of 1991 that brought him down.

Indeed Mogadishu masses have accomplished a great task, they were the first African people to stand up against a brutal dictator and sacrificed their lives and property to kick him out of the capital.

What happened after 1991 was a tragic event, A people's revolution hijacked by incompetent hawiye leaders. But the masses are gaining insightfull experience from every tragedy. The UIC hijacking of power been one of the last tragedies.

[neocon_2007]

May the people of Somalia get there acts together.

Good luck Hawiye and Darood

[Luq_Ganane]

Somaliweyn, you reap what you sow. Today you guys are lackeys for AY, or suicide bombers blowing yourselves up. I don't know what you call "Kacdoon" but we Marehans and any other logical people know "Kacdoon" as ruling a country for 21 years in a bloodless clue. You guys know it as looting an entire city, and controlling a block or two in Xamar. What a "Revolution". Nacas.