Iran To U.S.: No, You're The Terrorists !!!!!!!!!!

[qardasay]

What we do want is to get rid of the "focked up goverments"

but America see islamist as a treat but for muslims Islam means liberty, freedom and democracy. An End to Poverty and Injustice

"president Bush renewed the embargo on investment and trade, declaring Iran to be a threat to “the national security, foreign policy and economy of the United States”.

the economy of the United States is based on occupation and colonization of Muslims

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"the economy of the United States is based on occupation and colonization of Muslims"

This is not true. The ONLY thing Arabs have worth buying is oil. And we purchase the oil at market prices, just like Japan, China, India, etc....

We do not occupy or colonize any of your land except Iraq.

You have ALWAYS had bad governance. It has ALWAYS been corrupt. It has ALWAYS been non-representative. This is nothing new. The US (and other countries) have worked within the existing structures.

What you can't face up to is the fact that your governments are shit because your culture is shit.

[qardasay]

U.S military bases
http://www.oilempire.us/graphics/US-mil ... 001-03.jpg

"US bases cannot prevent the return of the Khilafah"

http://www.khilafah.com/kcom/analysis/a ... lafah.html

[qardasay]

U.S. Plans Expanded Military Presence In Africa:

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News ... le04.shtml


U.S. Plans Anti-Terror HQ in Horn of Africa

http://www.islamonline.net/English/News ... le05.shtml

[biko]

We do not occupy or colonize any of your land except Iraq.

looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

mad mac

if you can admit that much out right there is still hope for you.

[jamalllll]

[quote="MAD MAC"]"the economy of the United States is based on occupation and colonization of Muslims"

This is not true. The ONLY thing Arabs have worth buying is oil. And we purchase the oil at market prices, just like Japan, China, India, etc....

We do not occupy or colonize any of your land except Iraq.

You have ALWAYS had bad governance. It has ALWAYS been corrupt. It has ALWAYS been non-representative. This is nothing new. The US (and other countries) have worked within the existing structures.

What you can't face up to is the fact that your governments are shit because your culture is shit.[/quote]

I think i'll have to agree with you on the the sourse of our problems being ourselves.

There is no doubt

Those that deny it are evading just like a drug addict evades responsibility for his/her actions. People have to change.

IIMAN is the answer ,those that claim knowledge of diin are among those with the least IIMAAN. They aspire positions for the wrong reasons and are dogmatic in their ways.

Life is change and that is what they fear most. They gain false confidence and security by seeking loyalties where competition was required and vise versa .Some of those same leaders walk around as if they were holy while ignorance and insecurities have turned them into monsters beyond description.

We are not ripe for lifes demands ,we therefore die in our millions mainly because of our ways and those that must be fought are those that gain most our support .

America is also to blame in this for taking advantage of this weakness although like i said had we been righteous and knowledgable ,we would all have been living lives full of meaning and ample material goods.

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

"IIMAN is the answer ,those that claim knowledge of diin are among those with the least IIMAAN. They aspire positions for the wrong reasons and are dogmatic in their ways."

IMAN isn't the answer. Secularism and respect for rule of law is the answer.

[BABYGIRL123]

Terrorism is a term used to describe violence or other harmful acts committed (or threatened) against civilians by groups or persons for political or ideological goals (fear in latin). ...

a psychological strategy of war for gaining political ends by deliberately creating a well-founded climate of fear among the civilian popuation. Such a strategy may be used by an occupying army on the occupied population. ...


An agent of a sub-national group who uses premeditated, politically motivated violence against non-combatant targets, usually intended to ...

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence against people or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to ...

Acts of murder and destruction deliberately directed against civilians or military in non-military situations.

does bush and the united state fit this catagory yes danm those american terrorist.

[Mr. Yungnfresh]

i wish i could see MAD MAC on yowmul qiyaama, bastarka

[jamalllll]

madmac

Religious values are what created civilisation .To be civil would mean nothing if not for the values preached by religion.Secularism, however,is infact leading to the disintergatetion of society ,britain and usa are a good example. The family has been abundoned ie marriage and the governments have taken alot of power from those that must have it -paents -who now cannot be held responsible for the proper upbringing of their children.

Secualrism has created a situation whereby everything has become relative .The propblem with this is ,chaos is an inevitable consequence.

If this is not countered society as a whole will be in danger since the ratio of police officers to citizens can never be 1:1 . In short the values of religion were and are what holds society together and not secularism or officers. We are lucky that most people are still civil ie still hold religious values eg most british people will not swear and if they do will imediately apologise etc

Earlier on you claimed that usa buys arabian oil at market prices

Maybe you forgot or dont know that market prices are in fact controled by the powerfull ,in this case usa eg When the war started and the oil prices sky rocketed america simply ordered saudi arabia to pump out ,was it a million barrels more a day or so thus reducing THE MARKET PRCE. Now would you do that if you could get double for half the produce ??????

I would'nt .Market price means asking for the most that you can get for your produce so long as the demand can carry that. Both the demand and supply are interfered with by the powerfull thereby deciding what they want to pay for it

[Steeler [Crawler2]]

Religious values are what created civilisation .To be civil would mean nothing if not for the values preached by religion.Secularism, however,is infact leading to the disintergatetion of society ,britain and usa are a good example.

As oppossed to those wonderful societies such as Saudi Arabia, Iran...... are you with me here? I'll take secular society with its flaws over religious society of any stripe any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

The family has been abundoned ie marriage and the governments have taken alot of power from those that must have it -paents -who now cannot be held responsible for the proper upbringing of their children.

This is hyperbole. Yes, there are issues there. But in the "good old days" there were issues with tyranical parents beating their kids into oblivion.

"Secualrism has created a situation whereby everything has become relative .The propblem with this is ,chaos is an inevitable consequence."

Again, like in the US??? Where would you rather live, the US or Islamic Saudi Arabia (and having lived in Saudi Arabia, I can give you the right answer on this one).

"If this is not countered society as a whole will be in danger since the ratio of police officers to citizens can never be 1:1 . In short the values of religion were and are what holds society together and not secularism or officers. We are lucky that most people are still civil ie still hold religious values eg most british people will not swear and if they do will imediately apologise etc"

Ahh the old fear mongering. Actually, crime is DECREASING in the US. You can be an atheist and have morals. Indeed most atheists are humanists with better morals than any Christian or Muslim ever had, at least when it comes to respecting other people.

"Earlier on you claimed that usa buys arabian oil at market prices

Maybe you forgot or dont know that market prices are in fact controled by the powerfull ,in this case usa eg When the war started and the oil prices sky rocketed america simply ordered saudi arabia to pump out ,was it a million barrels more a day or so thus reducing THE MARKET PRCE. Now would you do that if you could get double for half the produce ?????? "

The MARKET controls market prices, not a country, you knucklehead. Market prices are not dictated by anyone in a free market. The value of the commodity based on supply and demand dictates price.

"I would'nt .Market price means asking for the most that you can get for your produce so long as the demand can carry that. Both the demand and supply are interfered with by the powerfull thereby deciding what they want to pay for it"

And how do "the powerful" interfere with it? They control supply, relative to demand. The US pays the same price per barrel of oil as China or as Europe. There is a balancing act in which the suppliers are also involved. The US doesn't control this process anymore than anyone else does. This is a fiction. What all of you resent is the fact that Islam is an inferior socio-economic system (it's not even an economic system at all actually) and successful secular socieites, which will ALWAYS be more successful than religious ones, give lie to your illusion that a religious government would be better for the people. Theocracies, like dictatorships their close cousins, are evil. Plain and simple. I would NEVER live in one.

[jamalllll]

"The MARKET controls market prices, not a country, you knucklehead. Market prices are not dictated by anyone in a free market. The value of the commodity based on supply and demand dictates price."

Was the market procees allowed to work when saudi was asked to pump out extra oil in order to stop the oil prices from going up????

Every demand is backed by an inability for self satisfaction or restraint and every supply is backed by an ability to produce ,both of these factors are the strong points of the strong therefore they decide the prices. The above incident was evidence enough for all ,like you,that need illumination.

Would saudi have agreed to do that were they as powerfull as the usa???????

If athiesm can hold any society together , name one that started out as athiest and became successful .Almost all men believe in GOD in their own way .In my opinion ,every athiest is taking advantage of the stable environment created by the believers.maybe you shuold watch "THE LOST TRIBES"