Founding Fathers-Anyone from the US of A help

[Naaima]

Salam alaikum

am doing a paper on privacy in the usa and world and would like to use your opinions in it if u dont mind its difficult for me to discuss from the founding fathers view point and what would they said about some of the privacy related issues that are being debated today because my knowledge is very weak and limited about the founding fathers

-What would the US Founding Fathers have said about some of the privacy related issues that are being debated today

[Naaima]

i would appreciate any answer, quotes from Founding Fathers that anyone could give me to the above question
thank you

[HELWAA]

You want us to do ur homework..........yaa ukhti qishka joojiy

[Naaima]

Iskiifo kaano iga aamus, way iga taala maanta and i am almost done ..but the board wouldn't let me post for some reason

[Naaima]

[MJ-Pride]

Quick search in Library books, I came up wit these quotes

"Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle," said George Washington" George Washington.

"Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports."
George Washington.

"Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand," said John Adams.

[Shirib]

I got no quotes for u, but I can put in my 2 cents.

The founding fathers were fighting the English monarchy who had put their fingers into everything in the colonies. Previously they used to let the colonies govern themselves, with only a few taxes. After the French Indian war, England needed money so they started to tax the colonies a lot more. The founding fathers felt that the acts of the English monarch were invasive, and practically stealing.

Spying on ur own citizens is invasive and u could steal anything from them. We don't know who or what is listening to our conversations, we they could not only steal our personal thoughts, issues, but also our identity, and money.

The founding fathers would be adamantly opposed to the invasion of citizens privacy.

Hope that helps

If not

[MJ-Pride]

Also, READ THIS AND SEE WHAT YOU CAN GET FROM HERE:


is it just me or does it seem to you that the only entity left with any privacy in this country is the government? For all the blathering about activist judges interpreting into the Constitution rights that don't exist, why is no one yelling about the rights to secrecy being claimed by our current administration that also don't seem to appear in the Constitution?

The administration in Washington has once again slammed the door on an inquiry by Congress, this time into the destruction of interrogation tapes by the CIA. They say the Justice Department is investigating, and handing over any more material will threaten our national security.

Ah, I wondered how long it would take for them to spit those words out. Our government shoves down our throats all manner of unimaginable personal invasions by invoking the words "national security." And it protects every dirty little secret it might harbor with those same words.

So the trend seems to be that we get to strip practically naked to fly home for the holidays while they get to lock the door and throw away the key on any activities we, as citizens, might actually question.

The contradictions that this administration lives with on a daily basis would be enough to make a sane person crazy.

We are told that life is sacred but capital punishment is OK.

We are told that a woman has no right to the privacy of her womb but the government can't provide health insurance because our Decider in Chief doesn't want government interfering in the privacy a patient and her doctor need to make health care decisions.

We're told that we must give up all dignity and privacy for the sake of national security but the government can keep all the secrets it wants because we, the electorate and our elected representatives in Washington, are clearly too dangerous to trust with that information. It doesn't matter if the information relates to firing U.S. attorneys or possibly torturing detainees, it's apparently none of our business.

The phrase "Trust me. I'm from the federal government and I'm here to help you" is a joke in this country. Yet isn't that exactly what this administration is saying to us now? Trust us. We know what's best for you but we can't tell you what that is because "they" might find out.

At this point, I'm more worried about us than "them." The current administration is slowly stripping away our privacy rights. We must give up phone records, bank records, e-mails, shoes and small vials of liquid hand-washing soap to them. In return, they raise a wall of secrecy around their activities that makes the Great Wall of China seem small. All of which leads me to believe they have something to hide.

Our Founding Fathers drew up a constitution to protect the rights of citizens from their government. They'd had the experience of King George making them house soldiers, taking the winter supplies for the royal army, taxing them for foreign wars they didn't support. And they said no, that's not the way we want government to act.

So why do I feel like we are but one step away from that form of government now? Why does the refusal of this administration to admit to the oversight of the Congress seem like another step down a slippery slope that we've been on since 9/11? Why, in the name of all we as Americans hold near and dear, are we not up in arms screaming as our most basic rights are stripped from us and given to the federal government?

Well, I for one am now officially screaming. I'd suggest you start to do the same while you still have the right to scream without needing a government permit telling you the place and time in which you will be allowed one brief yell whose decibels and length will be strictly monitored.

You can do it now or you can look forward to a world in which your children can only dream of the days when being American meant being free.

[The_Emperior5]

war hee dhe ma qof buu aanhihi ama awoowgii ka lummay yaad doon dooneysiin

[Naaima]

mj pride, walalkiis thank you so much for your help! Shirib you too as well


The_Emperior5, kaba gacanta midig ku sii qado and highway'ga cagta saar

[Grant]

Look at the Declaration of Independence, the preamble to the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights. That is what they all agreed on. Privacy and personal rights were at the heart of it all.

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/57016

[Wareer]

Are you writing something on the Survaillance cameras and wiretaps that the Patriot Act allows today? Privacy rights infringed and stuff like that?

[BABYGIRL123]

Naima if the constitution they wrote gave us all these rights do you think they would support such acts, they would be outraged.

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.


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Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


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Amendment III

No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.


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Amendment IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


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Amendment V

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.


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Amendment VI

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.


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Amendment VII

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.


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Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


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Amendment IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.


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Amendment X

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

[Wareer]

It is also true that governments can override constitutional safeguards/rights when it comes to national security.

You can' t do anything about it.

[Naaima]

wareey

yes i wrote how we live in one of the most monitored watched societies that have ever been and that we are numbered from cradle to grave and how the personal security and citizen privacy is under attack by the bush administration under the guise of the so called terrorist surveillance program that they had introduced ..and how the goverment is watching.. when we go out the CCTV cameras watching and recording every invidual move virtually everywhere we go. ..in the fight against terrorism they are also bringing in ID cards that we will have to produce upon demand. . and vuptii made some parallels between Oceania Big Brother and todays society

im done now, thanks everyone