Horta Guhaad, wax kaa been badan weli SOmalinet kumaanan arag.
When you say Ogaadeen went to Siad Barre and said do not invade in the name of "Somalia", you have to ask yourself what Ogaadeen as a clan was and what their relationship to the land was, or claim over it. You also have to understand how the claim over the Ogaden existed then and prior to the war and what the legitimacy of the claim was based on. Was the Republic of Somalia the main claimer or did it have a supporting role? This historical revision has got to be the most childish and backward revision of history because you are basing it on the situation as it exists TODAY and not how it existed THEN.
First of Ogaden as a QABIIL never was synonymous with claim over the land as it is today, in post-Menguste Ethiopia where at the advent of the TPLF's victory, the organizational name of OGADEN NATIONAL LIBERATION being synonymous with the claim of OGADEN CLAN came to exist in the political lexicon of the day. Sure the Ogaden might have been the majority of various parts of the land and might have bestowed the name to the colonial script, but Ogaden as a clan was never a single representative claimer over the land until 1991, when Somalia distingregrate. Prior to that, in colonial times it was the Somali People and after the existence of the Republic, ownership was the de jure claim by the REPUBLIC of Somalia.
Somalia as a nation NEVER accepted the borders between Somalia and Ethiopia.
Do you understand the significance of this? If you did you would not be parading around baseless and fictional stories that cannot even exist with the reality.
Because Somalia NEVER accepted the borders between the two nations, ownership of the land was a de jure claim by the REPUBLIC OF SOMALIA. If your revised history is even legitimate, this would be the opposite and the Republic of Somalia would not be the MAIN CLAIMANT to the land but a supporter of the self-determination of the real claimers, i.e the people of the Ogaden and the Ogaden clan. But your historical revision is not legitimate, because the de jure claimant was the REPUBLIC OF SOMALIA. Your Ogaden was never in the equation as the primary claimer of the land. What you are attempting to do is compare the TPLF rebel group, a legitimate rebel group within Ethiopia that was fighting as a rebel to the groups in the Ogaden who were representing the Republic of Somalia!
If you want an everyday comparison, the situation is similar to the owner of the house leasing to renters who are then plagued by another party claiming to own the house. The owner of the house is the Republic of Somalia, the renters are the clans of the Ogaden, and the third party claiming ownership is Ethiopia. Why would the renters go to court with the claimers while the owner of the house exists? Sheeko ciyaaleed wallahi. This is why the borders between Ethiopia and the REPUBLIC OF SOMALIA are not demarcated and have dashes in the map; because the two nations are the primary claimers over the land and one is not a supporting claimer.
In 1964, the first skirmishes between Ethiopia and Somalia took place. There were no rebels then, and no clan to deliberate with the leader of the main claimant (as you wish to imply) because the ownership was the primary claim of the REPUBLIC. Somalia however was weak then and could not pass the border areas. This is why Somalia then concentrated on building itself as a military power while it cut off any relationship with Ethiopia. When President Siad Barre came to power (who was ironically from the land in contention and whose whole clan and family were from and lived in at that time), he excellerated Somalia's ambition of military strength and that is when we signed the Treaty of Cooperation and Friendship with the Soviet Union which helped us in this path.
Do you think Siad Barre was doing this to take on the Xawaadle clan in Hiiraan or to take on Haile Salassie's hordes who were occupying land that belonged to the REPUBLIC of Somalia??
While this was going on internally in the Republic, Siad Barre was funding two groups to keep the heat on the Ethiopians until the Republic was strong enough to counter their American-backed military prowess in the region. Siad Barre started and funded the WESTERN SOMALI LIBERATION FRONT (or WSLF) and the SOMALI-ABO REBEL GROUP (the Oromos we wanted to use to contest HARARGHE region and the city of HARRAR).
The WSLF was composed of two groups. One group was the Somali men from the regions claimed by Ethiopia who were from EVERY Somali clan whether Isaaq, Daarood, Hawiye, Shiiqaal, Dir, etc and ACTUAL soldiers and regiments from the army of the REPUBLIC of Somalia who had exchanged their military uniform for rebel clothes. Where was the Ogaden clan you are taking about or did the post-1991 disintegration of Somalia and the rise of the Ogaden National Liberation Front mislead you into thinking the situation while Somalia was a NATION was the same as today's civil war times?? Caku jaahil.
However this was all temporary, and designed to keep the heat on the Ethiopians until we were strong enough to contest military our claim of the land. The time came after the coup of the Dergue when Haile Salassie was overthrown and the communists tookover. Ethiopia became shambles and disorganized, so Siad Barre analyzed it as the best time to get in militarily. He ordered the regiments of the Somali Army in the WSLF to put their military uniform back on and he went in blazing while the Somalia people went into euphoric highs. The rest of the story is obvious and we would have been victorious had not the Soviets and Cubans did something unseen in the history of the cold war and literally get in the war on the Ethiopian's behalfs.
You need to realize when you attempt to discuss things with people who know and have spoken with prominent people of all clans from that time who were involved intimately in the situation then, that sheeko beeraley and ciyiaal sheeked of ignorant tribal gatherings and living room folktale don't work. You just look like a retard as you do right now.
guhad122 wrote:Tan kale, markii dadku soo qaxeen, cuqaasha Absame ayaaa u tegay Afweyne markale, oo codsaday in dadka qaxootiga ah la geeyo dhulka ay beesha Absame ku leedahay Somalia. Taasna Afweyne waa diiday. Wuu diiday in qaxootiga la keeno J/dhexe, J/hoose, Bakool ama Gedoba. Taa markuu diiday, waxay fareen in dadka la geeyo dhulka dadka Daaroodku degaaan, taasna waa diiday.
What the hell is this whole Absame thing you are talking about when even Oromos and southern Ethiopian nationalities fled to Somalia after the war??? What do you keep repeating Absame as if the year is 2004 and ONLF is representative of the struggle??
All the people of the land up to Hararghe fled to Somalia (half the Oromo kids I have met my age were born in Somalia) and Siad Barre did what he was supposed to do; he opened up refugee camps in the border areas because they were refugees!
Also, the refugees were REFUGEES and they were forcefully uprooted meaning they should all go back to their own livelihoods and peoples and lands. They did not voluntarily leave their lands.But look at your ignorant words repeating clan names and clan conspiracies. Gedo, Bay, Bakool, Hiiraan, Waqooyi Galbeed, etc all hosted significant amount of refugees. Kulahaa Gedo lama geyn. Really?
The 1977-78 Ogaden War caused a massive influx of Somalis who had been living in eastern Ethiopia (and to a lesser extent from other areas) into Somalia. Most refugees were ethnic Somalis,
but there were also many Oromo, an ethnic group that resided primarily in Ethiopia. The Somali government appealed for help to the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) in September 1979, but UNHCR did not initiate requests for international aid until March 1980...
In 1990 there were refugee camps in four of Somalia's sixteen regions, or administrative districts (see fig. 5). The number of persons in these camps ranged from under 3,000 to more than 70,000, but most held 35,000 to 45,000 refugees. According to a government document,
the camps in Gedo held a total of more than 450,000 persons, in Hiiraan more than 375,000, in Woqooyi Galbeed well over 400,000, and in Shabeellaha Hoose nearly 70,000.According to the UNHCR, Ethiopia and Somalia between them hosted in 1989 a refugee population of about 1.3 million. Nearly 960,000 of the total were ethnic Somalis.
Somalia hosted 600,000 refugees, of whom nearly 80 percent were ethnic Somalis from Harerge, Ogaden, Bale, and Borena regions. The remaining 20 percent were Oromo, the largest ethnic group in the Horn of Africa, from Harerge, Bale, and Borena regions.
In southern Somalia,
refugees lived in camps in the Gedo and Shabeellaha Hoose regions. In the northwest, camps were distributed in the corridor between Hargeysa and Boorama, northwest of Hargeysa. Because of the nomadic tendency of the Somali and Oromo refugees, major population shifts occurred frequently.
http://www.country-data.com/cgi-bin/query/r-11998.html
Seriously dude, just stfu up and grow the hell up. Not only are you illiterate and ignorant, but you also calaacal for no reason. Nacalaa iyo cuqdadaada ku yaal, ungrateful waad dhaaftay but luckily I have never come across an Ogaden in real life or even on here with your cuqdad filled SCHIT and because of that you will not have any influence on my opinion towards Ogaadeen amaba Absame.
I suggest the rest of the Mareexaan on here go back to their old policy and treat this diseased piece of rag as nothing but a sheegato.
