When the whip comes down

[B-MAX]

^^Were you not the one who was doing just what the above Spaniard trailer trash is doing now?

[Pink-Panther]

Boo hoo, cry me a freakin' river. Another boring sob story If islam isn't for you, why the need to continously tell us about it? We don't care, do you get it?!?! WE SIMPLY DO NOT CARE!! If you actually took the time to read the quran you'd have known that ALLAH GUIDES WHOM HE WILLS. So please, spare us your long ass nonsensical essays. Your futile attempt at scarying us with your promise of "every muslim being suspected of terror" has not worked. That has been occuring pre 9/11, its an every day occurance and guess what we're still here, THAT WHICH DOESN'T KILL US MAKES US STRONGER!!

[Kamal35]

Leave me alone!

[Aiman]

[quote="Kamal35"]Leave me alone![/quote]

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Bismillah,

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Looks like he/she has surrundered.

[Pink-Panther]

sounds like a prepubescent girl

[lionzion]

[quote="AMAT-ALLAH"]Sheep hearder was our Guidance and brough peace and stability to its herd, not violence. So save your hate filled message because thats all it is HATE.[/quote]

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You can call it hate, I call it the truth. Islam was "introduced" to Somalia, while Somalia's trading posts were "introduced" to non-Somalian people, then we know the story from there.

Islam was "introduced" in west Africa, then the "berbers" introduced themselves to west africa's wealth, then the conquering christians "introduced" themselves to the rest.

Islam and Christianity may claim to be righteous religions, but have proven to be more about "righteous" economics. Those that bring the religion get rich, while the poor bastards that follow it lose thier country.

Kalydosos knew this well. Look him up.

That said, i wouldn't blame every muslim for attacks by terrorists. Both religions have economic terrorists that have brought about more destruction. I focus on those people, rather than the blind flock.

[LionHeart-112]

[quote]Every man with a look of an Arab guy is a suspect of a terrorist. Every muslim is a potential terrorist.??

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the real question is how do u tell hairy arabs from hair spaniards??? Kamal, dumbass.. Thank you for proving me right...I saw through your fakeness, your lying, your agenda right from the beginning. Alhamdulillah for giving me the gift to spot kaafirs and munaafiqs among us. Islam doesn't need you. Islam is the fastest growing religion in your country and continent and on every corner of the world. Growing at rate of 235%, muslim population doubling every 37 years. U can cry all you want. senorita mariocon

[gurey25]

"Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:44 pm Post subject:

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[quote="AMAT-ALLAH"]Sheep hearder was our Guidance and brough peace and stability to its herd, not violence. So save your hate filled message because thats all it is HATE.[/quote]

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You can call it hate, I call it the truth. Islam was "introduced" to Somalia, while Somalia's trading posts were "introduced" to non-Somalian people, then we know the story from there.

Islam was "introduced" in west Africa, then the "berbers" introduced themselves to west africa's wealth, then the conquering christians "introduced" themselves to the rest
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Introduced !!!
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Lionzion please stick to west african history and the slave trade and leave
east africa alone.
Your lack of knowledge of Islam and east africa is not only obvious but why do you have to make up your own fantasy history, in which blood
thirsty quran and sword wielding arabs inslaved and converted poor naked
ignorant somalis.


get over your inferiority complex.

[lionzion]

[quote="gurey25"]



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You can call it hate, I call it the truth. Islam was "introduced" to Somalia, while Somalia's trading posts were "introduced" to non-Somalian people, then we know the story from there.

Islam was "introduced" in west Africa, then the "berbers" introduced themselves to west africa's wealth, then the conquering christians "introduced" themselves to the rest
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Introduced !!!
loool


Lionzion please stick to west african history and the slave trade and leave
east africa alone.
Your lack of knowledge of Islam and east africa is not only obvious but why do you have to make up your own fantasy history, in which blood
thirsty quran and sword wielding arabs inslaved and converted poor naked
ignorant somalis.


get over your inferiority complex.[/quote]



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Why do you constanltly follow my well thought out replies with ignorant, stupid remarks? Your lack of understanding and shallow reasoning stick out loudly! When and where did I say Arabs enslaved "poor naked Somalis"? Did you notice I put "introduced" in QUOTATIONS!

That usually indicates subtle sarcasm. SUBTLE!. Meaning to say that there is more to that word than its literal definition. The meaning you took out of it shows you know nothing at all! So, if I didn't mean that, then that leaves one other more SUBTLE alternative to how Somalia's trading posts were eventually taken over. The key word...let's try "religious" economics. Does that help?

As for an inferiority complex? The only one showing an inferiority complex is you. All I am doing is explaining what i see wrong with a certain religion taking over a country, which, conversely, has been in ruin ever since! I see a direct corrolation. Do you?

[gurey25]

I was directly addressing a not so subtle
hint that Islam was forced on the local population, and
that the "trading posts" benefitted economically muslim arabs and who ever was aligned to them.

There you go again, using basing your assumptions on completley
different situations and models.

These Trading posts were not even somali in the first place.
I am assuming by trading posts you mean the ancient coastal cities like Ziela, Moqadishu, brava and Merca.
Some were founded by arab and persian traders before islam and some
are even older like Ziela which is mentioned in the periclyes of the Erythrian sea in the 1st century AD.
What you failed to understand is that those cities were inhabited by
now extinct indigenous groups and other non somalis like the afars in Ziela
as well as the arab, persian and Indian trader populations.
Somalis were nomadic herders and came into the picture later,
taking a dominating position over the other groups.


You also complelty left out the spiritual element of the spread of islam, as well as the cultural.
You are an athiest ofcourse and belive all religion is a load of crap,
but if you want to understand the full picture you have to take it in to account.
Economic reasons alone would not explain it.

What you failed to grasp is how close somalis and the arabs of prophet muhammeds time were culturally even before islam.
Both worshiped a supreme Sky god called Waaq or Allah as well as numerous lesser spirits, both had nearly identical clan family structures.
So you could see why somalis would take islam like fish to water.

[LionHeart-112]

Is it me or lionzion turning gay?? what's with the emoticon after every five words..dude..even the girliest girl in the UK forum doesn't do that.

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[dhuusa_deer]

Kamal35,

"London crossed the red line."

Yes, indeed. Recent history of the west shows that Westerners are slow to rise up in the face a serious challeng. But when they do, watch out! Their method of fighting is TOTAL and lethal. Hiroshima and Negasaki demonstrate how far they will go to defend their values.

You have to wonder how long will the West put up with spending billions and billions on security from their OWN muslim citizens. The ppl they provide shelter and food are conspiring to kill them or help those that want to kill them. Surely there will come a time when ppl will say enough is enough.

[dhuusa_deer]

AMAT-ALLAH,

"You actually think this was Islam the actions of fanatics--either your mathematical ability to comprehende with the simply equation that Islam=Peace is too hard for you to grasp, is waaay beyond."

Now you resorting to telling lies. Islam is not equal to peace. Never was and never will be (unless reformed).

Islam from its infancy was baptized in war and violence. I know you will say the quran preaches non-violence. That is contestable. But what really matters HOW muslims have behaved in the past, so as to see whether current muslim proponderance for violence is exception or the rule.

It is the incontestable fact that NO caliphate ever listened to what the muslim Ummah ever said. Find me a single muslim caliphate that was governed by the muslim Ummah. So even if the verdict by the muslim Ummah is unanimous for non-violence, what are the likelihood that any muslim leader would listen to them.

Shortly after Mahammed's death, muslims started killing each. That still continues to this date.

The quran DOES permit the use of violence. It can be debated under which circumstances is violence permitted. But one must ask WHY would a book supposedly from God, intended to give moral guidance is permitting violence AT ALL. An entire chapter of the quran is dedicated to WAR BOOTY. How HOLY!

[gurey25]

Dhuusa when that day comes ,
you would also be swept up in the tide.

remeber the nazis didnt differenciate between jews who have converted to christianinty several generations back, they were all filty untermenchen.

same thing with you, athiesm wont save you, even a name change wont.

[LionHeart-112]

^^^ SO TRUE!! All that matters is that is nigger who used to be muslim..