Do we need Hadith to explain the Quran?

[Ureysoo]

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/Quran/54/index.htm

There is a sites above, for you to look at, where the verse is translated well. If each one of us rely on a certain website and then say that's the right translation and ask your inane Q furthermore "Did scholars misunderstood certain verses" --- Trust me, we won't get anywhere. However, i'll give you a clear-cut answer (since I know arabic quite well), and I know exactly what the WORDs "Dikir" and "Modakir" means, i'll clarify it more for you. If the term "Modakir" means "Someone who remembers", what would "Dikir" mean? Given that, the word "Modakir" is originally from the word "Dikir", and when you are looking for a term in the Arabic dictionary, you ought to change the word to its original 3 character word ذكر.

Here is English-Arabic translation website... I dare you to type "Remembrance"/"Remember" on it, and translate it to Arabic, and then type "Understand" on it (if you don't like this website, use an alternative one).

http://translation.babylon.com/English/to-Arabic/

[UkMan9]

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Uraysoo............

Adeer since your understanding of Arabic language is better than any Scholar Arab or none Arab will you please translate for us...................Lool


وقوله: { وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنا القُرْآنَ للذِّكْرِ } يقول تعالى ذكره: ولقد سهَّلنا القرآن، بيَّناه وفصَّلناه للذكر، لمن أراد أن يتذكر ويعتبر ويتعظ، وهوّناه. كما:

حدثنا محمد بن عمرو، قال: ثنا أبو عاصم، قال: ثنا عيسى وحدثني الحارث، قال: ثنا الحسن، قال: ثنا ورقاء جميعاً، عن ابن أبي نجيح، عن مجاهد، قوله: { يَسَّرْنا القُرْآنَ للذِّكْرِ } قال: هوّناه.

حدثني يونس، قال: أخبرنا ابن وهب، قال: قال ابن زيد، في قوله: { وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنا القُرْآنَ للذِّكْرِ } قال: يسَّرنا: بيَّنا.

وقوله: { فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرْ } يقول: فهل من معتبر متعظ يتذكر فيعتبر بما فيه من العبر والذكر.

وقد قال بعضهم في تأويل ذلك: هل من طالب علم أو خير فيُعان عليه، وذلك قريب المعنى مما قلناه، ولكنا اخترنا العبارة التي عبرناها في تأويله، لأن ذلك هو الأغلب من معانيه على ظاهره. ذكر من قال ذلك:

حدثنا بشر، قال: ثنا يزيد، قال: ثنا سعيد، عن قتادة { وَلَقَدْ يَسّرْنا القُرْآنَ للذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِر } يقول: فهل من طالب خير يُعان عليه.

حدثنا الحسين بن عليّ الصُّدَائيّ، قال: ثنا يعقوب، قال: ثني الحارث بن عبيد الإياديّ، قال: سمعت قتادة يقول في قول الله: { فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ } قال: هل من طالب خير يُعان عليه.

حدثنا عليّ بن سهل، قال: ثنا ضمرة بن ربيعة أو أيوب بن سويد أو كلاهما، عن ابن شَوْذَب، عن مطر، في قوله: { وَلَقَدْ يَسَّرْنا القُرْآنَ للذِّكْرِ فَهَلْ مِنْ مُدَّكِرٍ } قال: هل من طالب علم فيعان عليه

NB......Adeer The Quran is not like any other book which you can say anything you want........ It is word of ALLAH .............to manipulate and twist the Quran is a sin............. there is no One single argument among the scholars whether they are Sunni or Shia about the meaning of this verse 54:17...........
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[UkMan9]

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My Fellow Somalians...........Allah has given us the Quran for our guidance....... Nothing else.......unfortunately Some say we need the Hadith to explain the Quran because the Quran is too difficult to Comprehend. Why do people who find it difficult to understand a single volume of God’s Revelation feels it necessary to refer to 50 volumes of Hadith books for clarification!......

Would Allah reveal a message so difficult to understand, yet expect people to follow it? Does it make sense? .......Moreover, Allah tells us in the Quran many times........“we made The Quran easy to learn, does any of you wish to learn?” (54:17, 22, 32, 40)........

Why does God want to repeat Himself exactly, word for word, four times? Perhaps God wants to TESTlFY four times that the Quran is indeed easy to understand........

Perhaps Allah wants to repeat this message because He knows that there will be boneheads peaple who will want to insist otherwise......

Do they mean Allah does not know what He is talking about?......Subhaanna Allah.......Allah knows every thing

Are they implying Allah does not know His creatures’ abilities and they know better?........Subhaanna Allah............no one knows better than allah

more to the point every sect have different opinion and different laws and It is impossible for anyone to go through all the books of Hadith without getting confused and totally lost, especially if the person wants to examine what each different sect(mad-habad) has to offer...............

Allah said Quran is the best hadith(39:23)......which means there must be some other hadiths and the Quran is the best of all

(Sura 39:23). GOD has revealed herein the best Hadith; a book that is consistent, and points out both ways (to Heaven and Hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for GOD's message. Such is GOD's guidance; He bestows it upon whoever wills (to be guided). As for those sent astray by GOD, nothing can guide them.......See Arabic text below:

سُوۡرَةُ الزُّمَر

ٱللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحۡسَنَ ٱلۡحَدِيثِ كِتَـٰبً۬ا مُّتَشَـٰبِهً۬ا مَّثَانِىَ تَقۡشَعِرُّ مِنۡهُ جُلُودُ ٱلَّذِينَ يَخۡشَوۡنَ رَبَّہُمۡ ثُمَّ تَلِينُ جُلُودُهُمۡ وَقُلُوبُهُمۡ إِلَىٰ ذِكۡرِ ٱللَّهِ‌ۚ ذَٲلِكَ هُدَى ٱللَّهِ يَہۡدِى بِهِۦ مَن يَشَآءُ‌ۚ وَمَن يُضۡلِلِ ٱللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ ۥ مِنۡ هَادٍ (٢٣)


Since The Quran is the best Hadith.....in which hadith after the Quran will you believe


(Sura 7:185) Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things GOD has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which Hadith, beside this, do they believe in?

سُوۡرَةُ الاٴعرَاف

أَوَلَمۡ يَنظُرُواْ فِى مَلَكُوتِ ٱلسَّمَـٰوَٲتِ وَٱلۡأَرۡضِ وَمَا خَلَقَ ٱللَّهُ مِن شَىۡءٍ۬ وَأَنۡ عَسَىٰٓ أَن يَكُونَ قَدِ ٱقۡتَرَبَ أَجَلُهُمۡ‌ۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثِۭ بَعۡدَهُ ۥ يُؤۡمِنُونَ (١٨٥)


(Sura 45:6). These are GOD's revelations that we recite to you truthfully. In which Hadith other than GOD and His revelations do they believe?

سُوۡرَةُ الجَاثیَة

تِلۡكَ ءَايَـٰتُ ٱللَّهِ نَتۡلُوهَا عَلَيۡكَ بِٱلۡحَقِّ‌ۖ فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثِۭ بَعۡدَ ٱللَّهِ وَءَايَـٰتِهِۦ يُؤۡمِنُونَ (٦)


(Sura 77:50). Which Hadith, other than this, do they uphold?

سُوۡرَةُ المُرسَلات

فَبِأَىِّ حَدِيثِۭ بَعۡدَهُ ۥ يُؤۡمِنُونَ (٥٠)



(Sura 4:87) "God, there is no other god, hut He. He will gather you together on the Day of Resurrection which is certain to come; AND WHOSE "HADITH" IS TRUER THAN GOD'S?"

ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ‌ۚ لَيَجۡمَعَنَّكُمۡ إِلَىٰ يَوۡمِ ٱلۡقِيَـٰمَةِ لَا رَيۡبَ فِيهِ‌ۗ وَمَنۡ أَصۡدَقُ مِنَ ٱللَّهِ حَدِيثً۬ا (٨٧)

(Sura 31:6) Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless Hadith, and thus divert others from the path of GOD without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution.
سُوۡرَةُ لقمَان

وَمِنَ ٱلنَّاسِ مَن يَشۡتَرِى لَهۡوَ ٱلۡحَدِيثِ لِيُضِلَّ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ بِغَيۡرِ عِلۡمٍ۬ وَيَتَّخِذَهَا هُزُوًا‌ۚ أُوْلَـٰٓٮِٕكَ لَهُمۡ عَذَابٌ۬ مُّهِينٌ۬ (٦)


(Sura 4:42). "On that day, those who reject faith and disobey the Messenger will wish that the earth were made level with them. But never will they hide a single "hadith" from God"

سُوۡرَةُ النِّسَاء

يَوۡمَٮِٕذٍ۬ يَوَدُّ ٱلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ وَعَصَوُاْ ٱلرَّسُولَ لَوۡ تُسَوَّىٰ بِہِمُ ٱلۡأَرۡضُ وَلَا يَكۡتُمُونَ ٱللَّهَ حَدِيثً۬ا (٤٢)


(Sura 68:44). Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this Hadith; we will lead them on whence they never perceive.

سُوۡرَةُ القَلَم

فَذَرۡنِى وَمَن يُكَذِّبُ بِہَـٰذَا ٱلۡحَدِيثِ‌ۖ سَنَسۡتَدۡرِجُهُم مِّنۡ حَيۡثُ لَا يَعۡلَمُونَ (٤٤)


Bro and Sis........

(Sura 16:96-97) “What is with you runs out but what is with Allah goes on forever. Those who were steadfast will be recompensed according to the best of what they did. Anyone who acts rightly, male or female, being a believer, We will give them a good life and We will recompense them according to the best of what they did.”

سُوۡرَةُ النّحل

مَا عِندَكُمۡ يَنفَدُ‌ۖ وَمَا عِندَ ٱللَّهِ بَاقٍ۬‌ۗ وَلَنَجۡزِيَنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ صَبَرُوٓاْ أَجۡرَهُم بِأَحۡسَنِ مَا ڪَانُواْ يَعۡمَلُونَ (٩٦) مَنۡ عَمِلَ صَـٰلِحً۬ا مِّن ذَڪَرٍ أَوۡ أُنثَىٰ وَهُوَ مُؤۡمِنٌ۬ فَلَنُحۡيِيَنَّهُ ۥ حَيَوٰةً۬ طَيِّبَةً۬‌ۖ وَلَنَجۡزِيَنَّهُمۡ أَجۡرَهُم بِأَحۡسَنِ مَا ڪَانُواْ يَعۡمَلُونَ (٩٧)

[UkMan9]

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سُوۡرَةُ بنیٓ اسرآئیل / الإسرَاء

وَإِذَا قَرَأۡتَ ٱلۡقُرۡءَانَ جَعَلۡنَا بَيۡنَكَ وَبَيۡنَ ٱلَّذِينَ لَا يُؤۡمِنُونَ بِٱلۡأَخِرَةِ حِجَابً۬ا مَّسۡتُورً۬ا (٤٥)

[17:45] When you read the Quran, we place between you and those who do not believe in the Hereafter an invisible barrier.


وَجَعَلۡنَا عَلَىٰ قُلُوبِہِمۡ أَكِنَّةً أَن يَفۡقَهُوهُ وَفِىٓ ءَاذَانِہِمۡ وَقۡرً۬ا‌ۚ وَإِذَا ذَكَرۡتَ رَبَّكَ فِى ٱلۡقُرۡءَانِ وَحۡدَهُ ۥ وَلَّوۡاْ عَلَىٰٓ أَدۡبَـٰرِهِمۡ نُفُورً۬ا (٤٦)

[17:46] We place shields around their minds, to prevent them from understanding it, and deafness in their ears. And when you preach your Lord, using the Quran alone,* they run away in aversion.

سُوۡرَةُ المدَّثِّر

فَمَا لَهُمۡ عَنِ ٱلتَّذۡكِرَةِ مُعۡرِضِينَ (٤٩) كَأَنَّهُمۡ حُمُرٌ۬ مُّسۡتَنفِرَةٌ۬ (٥٠) فَرَّتۡ مِن قَسۡوَرَةِۭ (٥١)


[74:49-51] Why are they so averse to this reminder? [50] Running like zebras.
[51] Who are fleeing from the lion!

I wonder why.........

[UkMan9]

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Suaal Dhammaantiin ........... Qs all of you

Quranku Ma leeyahay ayaayado is NASAKHA ...........Sunnadu se ma NASAKHDAA Quran ka??

Does the Quran has Abrogator and Abrogated Qur’anic Verses.......... and Does the Ahadiths Abrogate some Qur’anic Verses??

If your answ is yes ................then please bring an Evidence

[UkMan9]

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سُوۡرَةُ النّحل

ٱدۡعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِٱلۡحِكۡمَةِ وَٱلۡمَوۡعِظَةِ ٱلۡحَسَنَةِ‌ۖ وَجَـٰدِلۡهُم بِٱلَّتِى هِىَ أَحۡسَنُ‌ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعۡلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِۦ‌ۖ وَهُوَ أَعۡلَمُ بِٱلۡمُهۡتَدِينَ (١٢٥)

[Quran 16:125] "You shall invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones."

سُوۡرَةُ هُود
بِسۡمِ ٱللهِ ٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ ٱلرَّحِيمِ

الٓر‌ۚ كِتَـٰبٌ أُحۡكِمَتۡ ءَايَـٰتُهُ ۥ ثُمَّ فُصِّلَتۡ مِن لَّدُنۡ حَكِيمٍ خَبِيرٍ (١)



Hud
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Alif Lam Ra. (This is) a Book with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning) further explained in detail from One Who is Wise and Well-Acquainted (with all things): (1)


Sura 11, Hood (Hûd)

[11:0] In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful

[11:1] A.L.R. This is a scripture whose verses have been perfected, then elucidated.* It comes from a Most Wise, Most Cognizant.

Hud

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Alif-Lâm-Râ. [These letters are one of the miracles of the Qur'ân and none but Allâh (Alone) knows their meanings]. (This is) a Book, the Verses whereof are perfected (in every sphere of knowledge), and then explained in detail from One (Allâh), Who is All-Wise Well-Acquainted (with all things). (1)
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[faadumo12]

salaam

Among the verses in the Quran containing orders or laws there are verses that abrogate verses previously revealed and acted upon. These abrogating verse are called _nasikh_ and those whose validity they terminate are called _mansukh_.

The common notion of abrogation, that is, canceling of one law or code by another, is based on the idea that a new law is needed because of a mistake or shortcoming in the previous one. It is clearly inappropriate to ascribe a mistake in law-making to God, Who is perfect, and whose creation admit of no flaws.

However, in the Quran, the abrogating verses mark the end of the validity of the abrogated verses because their heed and effect was of a temporary or limited nature. In time the new law appears and announces the end of the validity of the earlier law. Considering that Quran was revealed over a period of twenty-three years in ever-changing circumstances, it is not difficult to imagine the necessity of such laws.

It is in this light that we should regard the wisdom of abrogation within the Quran:

"And when we put a revelation in place of (another) revelation and Allah knows best what He reveals -- they say: you are just inventing it. Most of them do not know. Say: The Holy Spirit (Gibril) has revealed it from your hand with truth and as a guidance and good news for those who have surrendered (to God)" [16:101-102]

It is a science on its own in Islam to know the Nasikh and Mansukh.

by Shaykh Gibril F Haddad

[UkMan9]

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16:101 "And when we put a revelation in place of (another) revelation and Allah knows best what He reveals -- they say: you are just inventing it. Most of them do not know. Say: The Holy Spirit (Gibril) has revealed it from your hand with truth and as a guidance and good news for those who have surrendered (to God)" [16:101-102]

سُوۡرَةُ النّحل

وَإِذَا بَدَّلۡنَآ ءَايَةً۬ مَّڪَانَ ءَايَةٍ۬‌ۙ وَٱللَّهُ أَعۡلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوٓاْ إِنَّمَآ أَنتَ مُفۡتَرِۭ‌ۚ بَلۡ أَكۡثَرُهُمۡ لَا يَعۡلَمُونَ (١٠١)


Dear sister..........The above verse 16:101 which you posted does not speak about the substitution of one verse in the Quran with another..........The evidence to that is given within the same verse (16:101):

The key to the meaning of the verse lies in the words.........."........they say, you are just inventing it"

Here you must ask yourself, who is likely to tell the messenger " they say: you are just inventing it”?........ And why? ....For sure it cannot be his companion; his sahabah are not likely to tell him ....

" they say: you are just inventing it "................it has to be those who do not believe in him, which focuses on the followers of previous scripture who feared that their scripture was in danger of being "substituted" with the Quran............

What more evidence to that more than the fact that till this day, the Jews and Christians accuse Muhammad that he fabricated the Quran himself!

If this accusation is from the Jews and Christians we must then ask, are they accusing Muhammad of substituting one verse in the Quran with another?.........
The Jews and Christians do not care if one verse in the Quran is substituted for another, after all they do not believe in the whole book.............

They will not complain that one verse in the Quran is being substituted with another! However, and if their Scripture is being substituted by the Quran, they will immediately accuse the messenger that the Scripture he brings (Quran) is not from God but that he " inventing it " himself.

These glorious words " they say: you are just inventing it " indeed stand as true indicator from God Almighty that the substitution spoken of in this verse is not related to one within the Quran, but indeed a substitution between two scripture........

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[UkMan9]

سُوۡرَةُ الاٴنعَام

وَتَمَّتۡ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ صِدۡقً۬ا وَعَدۡلاً۬‌ۚ لَّا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِهِۦ‌ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلۡعَلِيمُ (١١٥) وَإِن تُطِعۡ أَڪۡثَرَ مَن فِى ٱلۡأَرۡضِ يُضِلُّوكَ عَن سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ‌ۚ إِن يَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا ٱلظَّنَّ وَإِنۡ هُمۡ إِلَّا يَخۡرُصُونَ (١١٦)


Al-Anaam

And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can change His Words. And He is the All¬Hearer, the All¬Knower. (115) And if you obey most of those on the earth, they will mislead you far away from Allâh's Path. They follow nothing but conjectures, and they do nothing but lie. (116)


[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

[6:116] If you obey the majority of people on earth, they will divert you from the path of GOD. They follow only conjecture; they only guess.

[faadumo12]

ukman
What is your point of view about the abrogation in the quran?

[UkMan9]

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Dear sister My Answer is clear like a crystal there is no naasikh (Abrogating) wal mansuukh (Abrogated) in the Quran ..........

سُوۡرَةُ الاٴنعَام

وَتَمَّتۡ كَلِمَتُ رَبِّكَ صِدۡقً۬ا وَعَدۡلاً۬‌ۚ لَّا مُبَدِّلَ لِكَلِمَـٰتِهِۦ‌ۚ وَهُوَ ٱلسَّمِيعُ ٱلۡعَلِيمُ (١١٥)


[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

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[Mad May]

What's this got to do with Puntland?

[UkMan9]

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Mad May .........cuz i am from Puntland

سُوۡرَةُ الشُّعَرَاء

وَأَنذِرۡ عَشِيرَتَكَ ٱلۡأَقۡرَبِينَ (٢١٤)

Al-Shuara

And warn thy tribe of near kindred, (214)

Al-Shuara

And admonish thy nearest kinsmen― (214)

[UkMan9]

سُوۡرَةُ المدَّثِّر

فَمَا لَهُمۡ عَنِ ٱلتَّذۡكِرَةِ مُعۡرِضِينَ (٤٩) كَأَنَّهُمۡ حُمُرٌ۬ مُّسۡتَنفِرَةٌ۬ (٥٠) فَرَّتۡ مِن قَسۡوَرَةِۭ (٥١)


[74:49-51] Why are they so averse to this reminder?

[50] Running like zebras.

[51] Who are fleeing from the lion!

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[UkMan9]

Ac Wr Wb ...............

My fellow Somalians According to The tradition scholars there are Abrogated( Mansuukh) verses in the Quran but unfortunately they could not even agree in ‘basic principles’ over what abrogates what and which verses were abrogated and the number of verses......

..... According to some scholars the Quran abrogates only the Quran...... and some said Qur’an abrogates Sunna and Sunna abrogates Quran.......

The number of Abrogated verses from the Quran as the claim.....and how these so call scholars are differ.........................

Al-Nisaburi.........................only 33 verses are abrogated

Moustafa Zeid................... only 5 verses are abrogated

Moqatil ibn solayman............... only 15 verses are abrogated

AL-Nahas................................. only 30 verses are abrogated

Ibn AL-Jaouzi.................... only 24 verses are abrogated

Adahlawi........................ only 4 verses are abrogated

Al-Suyuti.................. only 30 verses are abrogated

Maki Ibn Abi Talib......... only 31 verses are abrogated

Ebn Al-Arabi.............. Only 5 verses are abrogated

Ibn Abbas..................... only 9 verses are abrogated

Hebatuallah Ebnu Salamah....... only 232 verses are abrogated

AL-Zarqani......................... only 10 verses are abrogated

Mar-e Ben Yousef Alkarmy........ only 178 verses are abrogated

Allah SXWTC Said..........

[6:115] The word of your Lord is complete,* in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient.

So I am asking you my bro and sister who do we Accept Allah or Confused Scholars ............ .