Islamic World's Most Powerful Military

[Twisted_Logic]

Saudi has troubles beating the rebels in Yemen.

Egypt has also he knowledge to make a nuclear weapon, but the USA pays them alot of $$$$ not start a nuclear programme.

Sudan has also a great militairy force. Egypt could easily defeat pakistan, if the latter didn't had a nuclear power

Pakistan will cripple Egypt in a week or so. Pakistan has one of the best Air Forces in the world, its intelligence service is the envy of the world and its Army is very professional. Egypt has no chance.

Sudan is a disgrace. They need to spend more on their military budget

Egypt doesn't have a free ride to buy what they want like ths pakis have, so it is not fair to comare these two. Despite that, the only thing that makes pakistan superior to Egypt is the nuclear capacity.

Gurey,

the americans know that Egypt is capable of making a nuclear bomb, so they pay them heavily not to start a nuclear programme. Despite the fact that Pakistan has a nuclear bomb, Isreal doesn't fear them as much as they fear Egypt, what does that tell you?

It is actually the other way around.

It is Pakistan that is restrained from buying whatever it wants. Egypt on the other hand, gets what it wants.

Pakistan fights a country that is 10X its size and Egypt fights an enemy that is 10X smaller than it. That should tell you a whole deal about who is more capable.

When the Pakistani Air Force Chief Nur Khan shot down an Israeli pilot who would later become an Israeli Air Force Chief and its president, he said, " I am happy that he is a Pakistani and not an Egyptian."

Enough said.

[gurey25]

Twisted... we should not buy into myths and urban legends.
Pakistan produces excellent fighter pilots and their training program and experience is world famous.
This doesnt mean that they are supermen.
Pakistanis have this reputation becuase they were good while the Indians were average pilots.

Now on the other hand the Isrealis were also generaly good pilots , but their reputation as super pilots comes from 2 things.
first arab pilots except for Jordans were just horrible, extremely bad, so the isrealis were shining in comparison.
secondly the isrealis were bieng thier usual sneaky selves.
the average isreali fighter pilot was pretty average comapred to NATO standard or French ariforce in 1967, but they had 12- 20 Ace pilots that they moved from one theatre to another, those aces when they came across brain dead arab pilots looked like Supermen and were sqauting arab planes out of the sky practically blindfolded.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted Logic,

Actually ragtag ill equiped tribal militia in Yemen, crossed the border occupied Saudi territory, and till now have a bunch of prisoners and weapons captured from them. I lived in Saudi dude and I've seen Saudi soldiers. They do not even live a militiary lifestyle! They eat lavish meals, sleep during the day. Also Guray is right, they're meanest and toughest soldiers are actually straight up bedouins You'll see them every now and then. These are the ones that are actually trained but they are very few. Dude, with Saudi and Kuwait it is US Naval ships in the Arabian Sea and US Army bases in their Country that give them a sense of security. Their militiary readiness is absoultely zero!


I see what You are saying about arsenals and everything but what good is it if the forces are not trained, and the miltiary is a joke?


As far as Sudan I agree they are a complete joke but they get a pass as they are poor.

I mean on paper, Saudis are very well equipped and if they can work on training, can go very far. Saudi Arabia has alot of Pakistani troops and pilots in its military.

As for Sudan, poverty is not a good excuse. It has oil and should be spending more on its defense budget.

[Twisted_Logic]

Twisted... we should not buy into myths and urban legends.
Pakistan produces excellent fighter pilots and their training program and experience is world famous.
This doesnt mean that they are supermen.
Pakistanis have this reputation becuase they were good while the Indians were average pilots.

Now on the other hand the Isrealis were also generaly good pilots , but their reputation as super pilots comes from 2 things.
first arab pilots except for Jordans were just horrible, extremely bad, so the isrealis were shining in comparison.
secondly the isrealis were bieng thier usual sneaky selves.
the average isreali fighter pilot was pretty average comapred to NATO standard or French ariforce in 1967, but they had 12- 20 Ace pilots that they moved from one theatre to another, those aces when they came across brain dead arab pilots looked like Supermen and were sqauting arab planes out of the sky practically blindfolded.

It is not a product of urban legend, bro. It is documented that the Pakistani pilots went 1-2 against USAF pilots that trashed European pilots 20-1 on the same planes. The war-game I am talking about happened in 1978 when the USAF visited Pakistan.

The camp was a roaring success. I do not have the official result but if I recall the final kill ratio was roughly 2:1 in favour of the F-15s. In all their other engagements against the likes of Saab Drakens, F-4s, Mirages, Lightnings and F-104s flown by European pilots in Continental Europe, the Wing had apparently enjoyed as high as 20:1 kill ratio in their favour. Our pilots’ aggressive manoeuvring and tactical skills came as a surprise to them. We too were impressed by the awesome flying performance of the F-15s, its unmatched (at that time) AI radar performance and the thorough professionalism and sportsmanship of the USAF pilots.

http://pakdef.info/pakmilitary/airforce ... baz78.html

This is an image from that war-game which shows an American F-15 in the Mirage gun sight



I mean, Pakistani pilots are trained to cope with 3-1 plane ration disadvantage and deal with an enemy that operates better jets than them. You should read the book The Psyche of the Pakistani Air Force written by an Indian and a European Defense Analysts.

[mwaura]

Are you from Zimbabwe?

Negro,why do you ask? But fuck no am Kenyan! My old nick was the kyuke. Overlooked in this thread is the foreign instigation factor. All these wars and hostilities are deliberately manufactured by the same London/NYork/Washington Anglojewish cabal for the same reasons:
-to reduce the number of nonwhites
-to arrest the forward progress of upcoming nations
-to grab natural resources
Pakistan is also an excellent example of what the war instigators fear-the reducing first world/3rd world technological gap. A few short years back it was unthinkable for any developing country to consider serious aviation research and development. Now the Pakis,Indians,Indonesians and even Naijja have a space program.

[gurey25]

Are you from Zimbabwe?

Negro,why do you ask? But fuck no am Kenyan! My old nick was the kyuke. Overlooked in this thread is the foreign instigation factor. All these wars and hostilities are deliberately manufactured by the same London/NYork/Washington Anglojewish cabal for the same reasons:
-to reduce the number of nonwhites
-to arrest the forward progress of upcoming nations
-to grab natural resources
Pakistan is also an excellent example of what the war instigators fear-the reducing first world/3rd world technological gap. A few short years back it was unthinkable for any developing country to consider serious aviation research and development. Now the Pakis,Indians,Indonesians and even Naijja have a space program.

I see what you mean, just having a nuclear program is allot of progess and it will involving entering areas of expertise that was only with the west, for example just for iran to run its centerfuges, they have to master high percision engineering, advanced materials such as composites, and advanced computer technology as well, before they even start with the nuclear stuff.

ITs the same with the Space program and the aviation.
if you can get to space, you can make consumer products just as good as the west, all you need to do is research and or steal the ideas and you are good to go.

[Siciid85]

lively discussion

[mwaura]

I see what you mean, just having a nuclear program is allot of progess and it will involving entering areas of expertise that was only with the west, for example just for iran to run its centerfuges, they have to master high percision engineering, advanced materials such as composites, and advanced computer technology as well, before they even start with the nuclear stuff.

Exactly! The gov't is currently in talks with both the Japs and S.Koreans to build a nuclear power plant;the only way out of being held hostage to relying on unpredictable weather to produce power.Prior to this was an attempt in 1998 to licence build Renault TCVs in Eldoret.2 prototypes were made and field tested before excited foreign buyers. A factory site was found that would have employed 200 and a 40 m$ contract signed.
Then an Anglosaxon demon Bwana Elephant, Richard Leakey became cabinet secretary to appease 'donors' and all those plans went down the toilet. He arbitrarily cancelled the deal citing 'corruption' and the army began importing Leylands for the first time;which require expensive tropicalisation.Point being? Valuable skill-sets that could have developed to produce more sophisticated systems within this timeframe were lost.
Now we're still where the whiteman wants us-dependent on their technology. But not for long.

[gurey25]

very sad case, bro.
This reminds me of Kenya's car project, that was derailed for the same reason.

[mwaura]

very sad case, bro.
This reminds me of Kenya's car project, that was derailed for the same reason.

True,but there were the usual inefficiencies of that era. That plant has the precision equipment and high tech smelters to make jet engines.The technology was kept secret cause the US bombed the Libyans for daring to import such technology-so said a highly placed source some years back.
Right now Brazil,India and the Pakis are leading the 3rd world in aviation production.The Kenyan manager of Tanzanian Precision Air,entered a deal with ATR of France to produce turboprop transports in Arusha. As of late last year their engineers had returned from training and were to set up at least 1 production line,though I haven't followed the issue.
Even your nemesis,the Ethios are licence building Russians models.Shit! I give up trying to paste the pic. Here!
http://ethiopiabook.com/technology/engi ... 16093.html
I,reiterate my earlier point: the massive technology gap the West took for granted just a decade ago has narrowed considerably.

[gurey25]

interesting link for degen engineerig.

but they dont build aircrafts they assembled some trainers from kits.

but yes they do have some talent.

[mwaura]

Heres a photo of what was to be the first blue water frigate ,the 300 foot long Jasiri,built for an excellent 4.2 bn kshs,but undelivered due to BRIT MEDIA INSTIGATED SABOTAGE. Compare it with the other 200 foot corvettes.Now we're making do with these.
http://www.breakingnewskenya.com/2008/1 ... al-waters/
Shit! I can't transfer the pix.HERE:http://fotosdebarcos.com/viewtopic.php? ... ya&start=0
A monument to Brit bastardy!

“There is no doubt that this is a military vessel of the highest order. We cannot understand why matters have been allowed to reach the stage they are at now. The vessel has our name and our shield on it, but it is not ours. There are some important questions that need to be answered.”


The committee also expressed shock at learning that the vessel had been ready for delivery for more than a year.

They were also shocked by the fact that the matter was now the subject of an international arbitration where full milit

the lesson in all this is gurey25 -BUILD YOUR OWN!I CAN'T STRESS THAT ENOUGH!!

[Jamac_Yare]

walle somali baan la yaba

you dont even have a country let alone a milatary yet criticise other countries armies.