Postby dhuusa_deer » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:13 am
Viking,
"Who gave them the right to kill people on basis of politics? If the American and British people allow their elected leaders to kill and mame other people in other countries then they should not complain when the violence comes to theri backyards. As much as a loathe terrorism, I'm not naive to think that the states have more rights in killing for a skewed political ideology."
Have you lost your marbles? Where the hell do you get off comparing conventional warfare on the behalf of nation states, a fact of history since dawn of civilisation and deliberate targeting of civilians by terrorists - amorphus, shadowy and high on religious intoxicants funatics?
Nation states wage war on other nations, targeting their instruments of state power like: military, communication, logistics, power, energy...Civilian casualties are inevitable outcome and are NOT primary targets. The goal being to weaken or destroy the other side all together.
Terrorists of your faith's extract, on the other hand, deliberately and purposefully kill and mame CIVILIANS. Not military/security targets, not economic targets but civilians going about thier daily business. Women, children, old and the frail. Merciless, coold-blooded slaughtering of civilians.
You make false analogy of moral equivalncy between the two. There ISN'T one. One purposefully attacks civilians and the other doesn't. You have not put forth a convincing case for why terrorists acts like that of London bombings are justified by the actions of the US in Iraq. If you have one, please state it. I'm interested to know the muslim rational for condoning these acts.
And on the issue this being tit-for-tat episode, as result of US/British involvement in Iraq and other muslim countries - BALONEY!
This would only be reasonable arguement if its premise, which is that the terrorists have rational reasons, strategic plans and ultimate end-goals to their methods, was true. It isn't.
For one, terrorists acts are random - hardly reflecting purposeful method behind them. Second, there seems to be NO calculated or reasoned out plan/s for fighting the West other than randomly attacking civilians. Third, the terrorist's greivances are amalgamations of alleged 'muslim injustices', geographically ranging from Iraq to palastine to Chechnya. These alleged 'muslim injustices' are nothing but your run-of-the-mill local conflicts, requiring local resolutions except for the fact muslims are involved. By basing their actions on all hosts of unrelated conflicts they deem transgress muslim sensibilities, reveals not honest and legit grievance but emotional lash-out. Which is what it is.
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We live in a world full of injustices. People live in abject poverty, are discriminated against and their rulers are satrps for world powers. Yet you don't see africans, asians and other ppl's of this world blowing themselves up for percieved injustices. Only muslims. Only a muslim would walk into a train full of his fellow countrymen and blow himself up.
Lets face it, this whole suicide bombings madness is Islamic problem. It calls for muslims to get their head out of the sand and do something before this madness engulfs the entire world. Whether religiously justified or not is contestable. But it is the inconstestable fact that muslims are blowing themselves up in the name of Islam and Allah. They do it, as they would say, for all muslims.
We can take a leave from Intifada 2 of where this may go, and fingers crossed, hope it will go. In the last year or half saw dramatic reduction of suicide bombings in Isreal. Many reasons are attributed to this development. The barrier fence, aggressive and intrusive counter terrorism campaign by Isreal are all sited. But most experts give most credit to the morphed opinion of palastinians, as shown by poll and after poll in the last a year and half, of their 'shaheens'.
When Intifada 2 started the 'shaheens' were exalted into national hereo status and held in high steem among cross section of palastinian population. As result suicide bombings were frequent scene. But as the Intifada 2 progressed, it became clear that it was cataclysmic failure in achieving its goal, and the palastinians came to realise its fact. Ultimately rejecting suicide bombing. They, rightly, concluded its better to end armed uprising as its effects were unbearable and counterproductive to their national aspirations.
Today this is true. Repeated polls show well over two thirds of palastinians calling for end to suicide bombings and the intifada 2 and tilt towards peace negotiation with Isreal. Its not entirely coincidental that as palastinian opinion of suicide bombings showed a dip, it was accompanied by a lull in suicide bombings. The lesson here is useful in that it shows a practical solution this suicide bombing phenomenon. And it involves muslims.
Terrorists are parasites. They need a host, a community to live off. And this host is the muslim community. In most instances, the aid muslim community gives to terrorists comes about unknowlingly and unwittingly. These terrorists are difficult to tell apart from the average peaceful muslim becuz the keep low profile, act like the average muslim and don't make too much noise to attract attention. Therefore it is impossible or extremely difficult to weed them out from larger sea of muslims.
The only way they can be isolated and corned is if muslims, ALL muslims, make it clear that violence against civilians under any circumstances is unacceptable and unislamic. Only then will the terrorist realise that he has no legit, be it moral or religious, justification for his actions. And not only that but he is in fact fighting the whole world and not just the 'kafirs'. As long as muslims are making excuses with 'ifs' and 'buts' and drawing analogies, these terrorists will think they have some support.
The solution is to isolate the terrorists. There is tent of the civilised world, where killing civilians is abhored, included are majority of muslims and the terrorists have no place in it.
