I finally understand why they rose up.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Voltage many times you have claimed that the faqash ''had every right to defend its terriotary from rebels backed by the enemy'' and this was your justification for the bombings.

Did u even watch The video Topica waad ka yara dhacsantahay

I know but the logic that above claim has been bugging me. I can for the life me understand how such a clever person can reach such a dumb conclusion.
I want him to have the chance to explain.

[Voltage]

Btw, this Cabdiwahid fella should have gotten the nomination instead of Maslax. He is a more brilliant and eloquent man whom i personally would have preferred over Sheik Sharif.

I can tell Goonjeex is going up and Somalia could use people like that.

[Voltage]

Peace you made a lot of valid points and individual leaders have a big hand considering they shape the circumstance but again I would say everything you have described are the symptoms. Understandably legitimate and realistic but they are only the symptoms of the problem and I say because of this; look back to the beginning even under such men as Abdirizaaq Xaji Xussein and Cabdirashiid. Even then, with these democratically elected guys there was "marna rashiid, marna risaaq, inta kale rootiya" meaning people did not view the government as something with which they had stakes. It is the whole case of anagu ma lihin, reer hebel baa leh like it is a baraag dad leedahay. We have a fundamental problem and once you look at things comprehensively from the first time of central statehood existence to now in anarchy same phenomenon is going on though the symptoms have expressed themselves in different ways.

When you say people for instance supporting Kulmiye along clan lines should know Siilaanyo does not give a crap about them personally, don't blame Siilaanyo for trying to get more votes by rightfully or wrongfully appealing for clan votes but look at the situation that made it possible for people to view Siilaanyo in favorable light simply because he is their clan.

[Twisted_Logic]

that is a very eloquent and emotive speech however, the real cause of all of Somalia's problems is that the somali elites (including siyaad, his predecessors and the current so called leaders) were and still are hell bent on gaining control of the state and its resources to advance their own personal welfare rather than that of the somali nation. they use clan system to control the ignorant illiterate masses to advance their interests.

On point.

[aka-peace-]

Peace you made a lot of valid points and individual leaders have a big hand considering they shape the circumstance but again I would say everything you have described are the symptoms. Understandably legitimate and realistic but they are only the symptoms of the problem and I say because of this; look back to the beginning even under such men as Abdirizaaq Xaji Xussein and Cabdirashiid. Even then, with these democratically elected guys there was "marna rashiid, marna risaaq, inta kale rootiya" meaning people did not view the government as something with which they had stakes. It is the whole case of anagu ma lihin, reer hebel baa leh like it is a baraag dad leedahay. We have a fundamental problem and once you look at things comprehensively from the first time of central statehood existence to now in anarchy same phenomenon is going on though the symptoms have expressed themselves in different ways.

When you say people for instance supporting Kulmiye along clan lines should know Siilaanyo does not give a crap about them personally, don't blame Siilaanyo for trying to get more votes by rightfully or wrongfully appealing for clan votes but look at the situation that made it possible for people to view Siilaanyo in favorable light simply because he is their clan.

voltage I agree with most of what you have said but in reality this is case which came first, the chicken or the egg?
in my view the clan system creates a conditions that allows individuals to exploit that institution to advance their own interests. but what is to blame the clan system or the ignorance of the masses and their failure to realise the plight. i happen to think it is the latter.

[snoop12]

the last time i heard an intuitive speach from a Somali politician was Siyaad Barre(aun), and this speach by Goonjeex was on point, relevant, realistic and insightful about the realities of Somalia and statehood.

that is a very eloquent and emotive speech however, the real cause of all of Somalia's problems is that the somali elites (including siyaad, his predecessors and the current so called leaders) were and still are hell bent on gaining control of the state and its resources to advance their own personal welfare rather than that of the somali nation. they use clan system to control the ignorant illiterate masses to advance their interests.

agree.

but, truly speaking, my taxes been used for stuff i really dont know and have no real control over for the past 20 years, if Somalia was to have a state like that of SYL or the Kacaan i would be the first to move their even if they were to raise taxes 20%, because what people had back than is what people in Somalia today could only dream of, here we are concerning ourselves with useless minor or major corruption schemes or contesting which was more corruptive and what not, we are in no position to negotiate this sort of stuff normal nations do. just look at somalia 2010 and ask yourself do you want a government with corruption or this What ever it is

the people of SYL and the Kacaan if put together had rampant educational, democratic, economic advancement and this manifests in the generations who indulged in thoses times.

[guryasame]

Its interesting this gudhu voltage has convinced himself that he has deciphered what makes kulmiye and its supporters tick. These blind demonic afweynist cult , the illegitimate kacaan kids who are clearly unrepentant apologist for the crimes committed against innocent civilians, seem too believe that their depraved mentality is mirrored by everyone.

[SahanGalbeed]

, corruption comes from being dishonest . I don't see any honesty in most of the comments put here above .
Silanyo is not corrupt , just saying so doesn't make it so .First of all Somalis in general have a very vague definition of corruption which in my opinion comes from their very own corrupted minds .When you accuse somebody of being a corrupt leader , one has to bring some facts behind his words .
Siyad Barre was impaired when it comes to his personal integrity , there are a lot of historical facts pertaining to it .
Trying to juxtapose one corrupt leader to another, in hopes of lessening the "sins" of the former , is alo a form of intellectual corruption {dishonesty}.

Neither the volume nor the grace of one's speech makes it more honest

In conclusion none of you in here has the SOLUTION that is going to save Somalia .What you can do is , work on yourself and those around you {immediate relatives, clan.etc.etc}.In French it is called "vouloir metter la charrue avant les beufs "{sounds better that that horse and cart shit }

[Dionysus]

one has to bring some facts behind his words .
Siyad Barre was impaired when it comes to his personal integrity , there are a lot of historical facts pertaining to it.

What!?