Wilyaada Islaamiga giving zakat

XimanJaale · Postby **XimanJaale** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:20 pm

Abdisamad, taking livestock by force ain't good, its haram. Al shabab should take livestocks for those that can afford it. You can't call it tax, only the government can take tax and tax are taken should be taken from big businesses not poor people. Do unemployed or poor people pay tax? NO.

abdisamad3 · Postby **abdisamad3** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:21 pm

my point is if shabaab collects zakah from the wealthiest families and give it to the poorest families its not stealing all countries have this kind of system
Yeah its called taxes, and taking taxes from fellow muslims is haram.

they didnt collect taxes it was zakah..are you playing a retard on purpose or you just happen to be one horta.

XimanJaale · Postby **XimanJaale** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:23 pm

Taking taxes from other muslims is haram.
Yeah, only a government can take taxes, not rebels. How can they call livestocks taxes?
al shabaab are not rebels they are an islamic goverment..
btw its not tax its called zakah do you know what zaka is?

Erm,, ur the one that brought tax into the conversation. Who do u think u are? Asking me wat Zakah is!! U think u know the deen more than us, a typical khaawarij respond. Ur an idiot!

Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:24 pm

they didnt collect taxes it was zakah..are you playing a retard on purpose or you just happen to be one horta.

Are you f-king serious? Zakah comes from a persons own will to donate to poor people. Thats what Zakah is. But taking a poor mans stock by force and possibly killing him, so you can give it to another poor man is not Zakah.

abdisamad3 · Postby **abdisamad3** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:25 pm

Abdisamad, taking livestock by force ain't good, its haram. Al shabab should take livestocks for those that can afford it. You can't call it tax, only the government can take tax and tax are taken should be taken from big businesses not poor people. Do unemployed or poor people pay tax? NO.

they didnt take it by force..its zakah and no not every one in Somalia is poor and dying there are allot of who own many cows camels and sheeps and they paid zakah out of those animals..

Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:27 pm

Al-shabab Militia Takes Away Livestock by Force

Al-shabab militia group is collecting livestock from the nomads living in the reserves of the Lower Juba region in Southern Somalia.

Al-shabab representatives who are taking away the animals contrary to the will of the owners claim that they are collecting the annual Islamic Zakat.

A local elder, Mr. Nuh Abdale Nunow told radio Bar-kulan that the militia is also forcing them to financially support their mission which they called the Jihad they are carrying out in Somalia.

Some of the livestock keepers in the lower Juba regions have already started fleeing their area where Al-shabab is carrying out the exercise of collecting Zakat by force to support their mission.

Most of the nomads who originally came from the North Eastern province of Kenya and the Gedo region in Somalia said that they will return to their former grazing areas to escape the harsh rule of Al-shabab.

abdisamad3 · Postby **abdisamad3** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:28 pm

they didnt collect taxes it was zakah..are you playing a retard on purpose or you just happen to be one horta.
Are you f-king serious? Zakah comes from a persons own will to donate to poor people. Thats what Zakah is. But taking a poor mans stock by force and possibly killing him, so you can give it to another poor man is not Zakah.

Zakât: A certain fixed proportion of the wealth and of the each and every kind of the property liable to Zakât of a Muslim to be paid yearly for the benefit of the poor in the Muslim community. The payment of Zakât is obligatory as it is one of the five pillars of Islam. Zakât is the major economic means for establishing social justice and leading the Muslim society to prosperity and security. [See Sahih Al-Bukhari, Vol. 2, Book of Zakât (24)]

Paying zakat is Fard (compulsory). The Qur'an says that only those who pay zakat are in the "brotherhood of faith". The Holy Qur'an also says that Zakat purifies assets and creates virtue ( SU:9 103 ). Zakat is a 2.5% levy on most valuables and savings held for a full year if their total value is more than a basic minimum known as nisab. At present nisab is $1,050 or an equivalent amount of any other currency. Cash money in your bank and building society accounts, and the release value of bonds, securities and shares in any form are zakatable if they are purchased as an investment
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Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:30 pm

Where does it say that you have to force a man to pay zakat

XimanJaale · Postby **XimanJaale** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:30 pm

Abdisamad, taking livestock by force ain't good, its haram. Al shabab should take livestocks for those that can afford it. You can't call it tax, only the government can take tax and tax are taken should be taken from big businesses not poor people. Do unemployed or poor people pay tax? NO.
they didnt take it by force..its zakah and no not every one in Somalia is poor and dying there are allot of who own many cows camels and sheeps and they paid zakah out of those animals..

I think ur brain dead, Al Shabab has taken livestocks by force, it even caused a fight in Jubooyinka. They even took crops by force in Luuq ganane and caused a fight there. Only a person that can afford can pay zakat, u need to do some quick update, cause ur missing some home truth.

Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:32 pm

Al kelab supporter dont know what he is even supporting

These guys arent muslim, they are killing poor people that refuse to give to them their few belongings

abdisamad3 · Postby **abdisamad3** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:33 pm

Abdisamad, taking livestock by force ain't good, its haram. Al shabab should take livestocks for those that can afford it. You can't call it tax, only the government can take tax and tax are taken should be taken from big businesses not poor people. Do unemployed or poor people pay tax? NO.
they didnt take it by force..its zakah and no not every one in Somalia is poor and dying there are allot of who own many cows camels and sheeps and they paid zakah out of those animals..
I think ur brain dead, Al Shabab has taken livestocks by force, it even caused a fight in Jubooyinka. They even took crops by force in Luuq ganane and caused a fight there. Only a person that can afford can pay zakat, u need to do some quick update, cause ur missing some home truth.

sometimes I just have to laugh at you walahi..

hadana zakadii in labxiyo oo u-n dadka qamadi uu soo daadiyo ayaad ku doodeysa,

Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:35 pm

Why are you avoiding my argument? Is taking poor muslim peoples livestock by force, allowed in Islam?

XimanJaale · Postby **XimanJaale** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:35 pm

Al kelab supporter dont know what he is even supporting
These guys arent muslim, they are killing poor people that refuse to give to them their few belongings

Al shaytan supporters need to be taught the truth, they are naive

abdisamad3 · Postby **abdisamad3** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:36 pm

Where does it say that you have to force a man to pay zakat

did you even read what the message says or you just choose to do selection reading and come up with an opinion..zakah is one of the five pillars of islam..you know what that means?

Coeus · Postby **Coeus** » Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:37 pm

Where does it say that you have to force a man to pay zakat
did you even read what the message says or you just choose to do selection reading and come up with an opinion..zakah is one of the five pillars of islam..you know what that means?

But where does it say that its permissable to kill a poor muslim man and take his livestock?

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