My dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters
Assalamo Alaikum Warahmatullah
I hope everyone is fine.
This is my first post so by way of introduction, I'm a software developer and came across this site doing some googling. This seems an excellent place for discussion so will try and spend time here when I'm able to - inshAllah.
I see this post is all about Ahmadiyya. I think I'm a bit late on the boat [
] but I'll still reply.
These guys have the Biggest Mosque in the UK in Morden and the British government paid for it and Prince Charles came down and opened it for them!
Ahmaddiya aren't muslim
Ahmadiyas are the worst kind of kufr, I would rather accept Christians/Jews in Muqdisho before these kufr.
Ahmadis profess the creed (as well as all other pillars and articles of belief) -
There is none worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad (SAW) is Allah's Messenger.
I'm not sure how yourselves can then call them non-Muslims? What is your definition of a 'Muslim' please and do you
really have the right to define it given Rasulullah(SAW) has already done this?
For your own sake, I humbly suggest to be careful and don't say such things as though they are light - we know from ahadith 'Whoever calls one a Kufr, it returns back on him' (*) and Allah Almighty is the Supreme Judge alone.
Furthermore, I am sadenned that you would make such a comment about Prince Charles coming and 'opening' the mosque. Do you cite this as proof the Ahmadis are British Agents? Then, explain why on the opening of the East London Mosque (where prayers were led by the Imam of the Kabbah in MECCA), SEVERAL government ministers were present AND Prince Charles sent a video of his support. For the sake of decency, please retract this comment of yours.
She says they have their own masjid and won't accept your Salaam. I asked how they came to be what they are she says, often the poor parents would send their kids to these free dugis that offered to keep them long hours and feed them, clothed them and took care of them. And after that it is history they have been brainwashed.
Dear Warsan_Star_Muslima, you've been misinformed I'm afraid. These aren't ahmadis I can tell you. Ahmadis say Salaam even to people of other faiths outside Islam. It's somewhat contradictory that on the one hand people are saying they are highly educated and on the other they are brainwashed. Please do clear up with your Aunt that these are not ahmadis - just because they are different from the Sunnis. To say they are ahmadis out of dozens of sects is certainly unjust.
they are called takfiirs they blve they are the only muslims in the world.
Where did you get this information ciyaal_warta, can I ask? Again, it seems someone has deceived you. If you made this statement yourself, I ask you to back up your statement or else urge you to do Istighfar. I say with complete conviction that Ahmadis do not consider all others non-muslims. However, because of the above ahadith I just mentioned (*), if someone calls Ahmadis Kafir, then Rasulullah (SAW) himself is calling them Kufr for making such an allegation. That is likely what has been distorted and presented to you.
They believe Allah is a human being who makes mistakes, his child is the founder of the sect and is better than our beloved rasuul (SAW), drugs/alcohol/fornication is permitted, haj is not necessary, we should pledge allegiance to great Britain etc. They are financed by the west/Israel with money you can't count. To me these guys should be dealt with and each of their foot steps should be tracked and recorded.
Advo, have some decency! Allah is the Perfect Being! Allah begets not nor is he begotten! Rasulullah(SAW) was the highest and the peak of mankind, past present and future! Drugs/alcohol/fornication is forbidden by the Qur'an so of course this is not allowed! You're right, we don't believe Haj is necessary - Haj is only mandatory on those who have the means to do so. Yes, you should give allegience to the country in which you reside for they are in authority among you and the Qur'an dictates us to do this!
Where do Ahmadis get the money? Certainly not 'west/Israel'. Do you have a single item of proof of this or are you just regurgitating from what you've been told by a cleric. I'm sorry to be so harsh on another brother but these lies need to stop and yourself, pls look into these before spreading them.
Actually, with the coming of the Mahdi and Messiah has come flooding Allah's immense Grace and there are people in the community of Ahmadis just like Abdul Rahman ibn Auf - who gave away his entire caravan of 700 camels for the pleasure of Allah - whom Ahmadiyyat has transformed completely and utterly that their relatives are in shock as to what happened to them that they became so pious. Furthering the true Islam of rasulullah(SAW) is a most heartfelt desire of Ahmadis and so financial sacrifice they give abundantly. This is not merely rhetoric - Allah knows I am talking of reality. How strange that all the wealth of the Arab Nations and Muslims Nations can't stop this community or match it's progress - which has been and still is growing for 100+ years. If this was not a divine community, Ahmadiyyat would surely have been crushed there and then in that very village - now it is spread in 189 countries. Look around the muslim nations - is it not time for the Mahdi&Mujaddid to arrive? Rasulullah(SAW) had said he will arrive before the 14th century - surely we can't accuse him of lying. If not Mirza Ghulam Ahmad,
Who was the Mujaddid of the 14th century ? Again, rasulullah(SAW) said there would be one at each century.
Just consider for a second - would the All-Wise Allah grant such a 'liar' who wrote volumes based on his claim, so much to a Community for so long after his demise and (still continuing) to grant them immense prosperity as they currently are in. Apart from the biggest mosques in the UK, Calgary and other places (and take note, the mosques are going up ever faster than before across the UK), Allah Almighty has blessed this community with one of the very few Muslim noble prize winners and one of the very few Secretary-Generals of the United Nations, and the
ONLY 24-7 Global Purely Islamic-TV Channel (called 'MTA' - completely free and run by
volunteers), the honour of translating the Quran into many languages for the first time, 189 member countries and 10s of millions of followers, a dedicated charity arm - Humanity First...
KMJ these guys don't f*** around. These guys are funded by the British and are really studying their ass off. AlsoThe Pakistani goverment does not see them as muslims. .
There are many conjectures (by Mullahs typically) that this community has been setup by the British. Ask those Imams who push this narrative wherever they go, what evidence they have. They'll say his books. Ask them for references. At this point, IF they do give references, read several paragraphs around it to make sure it's not been taken out of context and ask yourself if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was really an agent or just abiding by the injunction 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger, and those in authority among you'. Are we not instructed to thank man aswell as God? Is affection to a government that is kind to you really a sin?
A bit of searching will reveal the ridiculous logical fallacy of this age-old accusations.
I don't think any other Islamic sect can get a foot hold in somalia. The minute they mention that there was a prophet after Rasulullah saws, the somalis will chase them out of the masjid
They
would do that I imagine... but how contrary to our teaching given that Rasulullah(SAW)
encouraged Christians to pray in his mosque. Why would 'the somalis' act so contrary and not try to replicate the same love to others as our beloved Master(SAW) did?
As to the objection of his claim to Prophethood, again I can cite many sources but just these will suffice for now:
1) I am the Last of Prophets and my mosque (Masjid-Nabawi) is the last mosque. (Sahih-Muslim)
2) I am the last of Prophet and O'Ali you are the last of Awlia. (Durre-Manthur)
3) "Prophethood shall remain among you as long as Allah shall will. He will bring about its end and follow it with Khilafat on the precepts of prophethood for as long as He shall will and then bring about its end. A tyrannical monarchy will then follow and will remain as long as Allah shall will and then come to an end. There will follow thereafter monarchial despotism to last as long as Allah shall will and come to an end upon His decree. There will then emerge Khilafat on precept of Prophethood." The Holy Prophet said no more (Masnad Ahmad)
4) "The Mahdi will be nabiullah (prophet of Allah), nabiullah, nabiullah, nabiullah..." i.e. repeated 4 times - and further went on that he will receive revelations from God and will guide mankind. (Sahih Muslim).
5) It is narrated by Hadhrat Ayesha Sidiqa (ra) that a companion of prophet (saw) came to her and was asking how their beloved Khatamul-anbiya 's health condition. She replied on saying that "Say that he is Khatamul-anbiya but dont say that he is the last Prophet." (Ibney-Majah)
6) There will be no prophet between me and him (Masih ibney Mariam) who is to come. (Sahih-Bukhari)
I hope this is sufficient to start with for those who are the true seekers to further their own research.
For those of you who are true seekers and want to know if Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is truly the Promised Messiah and Mahdi as promised, ask yourself this :
- Why is God granting continued success and prosperity to this community? If you hear it being justified as being a 'test' by your local Imam, what a strange test that it lasts for 100+ years with no diminishing whatsoever! This is just common sense.
- The Holy Prophet (SAW) has instructed in a most unambiguous way about what to do if the Mahdi arrives.
"He must go to mahdi and do the Bait (initiation) even if he has cross on his knees across glaciers because he is Allah's Khalifa, the Mahdi. (Kanzul Ammal - Known throughout the Islamic World)
and again
"On the Mahdi, it is incumbent upon every muslim to assist him and accept him (abu dawood)"
It's worth remembering that it would be rank disobedience not to do this if his claim is true - and we will be held accountable for this.
Again, although not from Sahih Sitha -
A jamaat of believers will engage in jihaad against the opponents of Islam in India and this jamaat will be with the Mahdi and his name will be Ahmad. Allah will send the Mahdi 1240 years after him. (Ahadith from An-Najmus Saqib)
There is clear ijma between scholars of ahlusunnah,shias and those who call themselves salafis that ahmadiyyah are not muslims until they stop claiming mirza ghulam to be a new prophet or incarnation of prophet jesus.
If the concern is that
Hang on, the entire muslim Ummah is calling them Kufr, so they must be, you need to only take a brief glance at the Muslim world and what their opinion counts for. The worldliness the Saudis are enrapped in from their oil, the corruption and political games so widespread in Pakistan, the worship of saints and pirs and neglect of worshipping and cultivating Allah's love within us, the intense conflict between sects. And I don't need to mention what most non-Muslims think of Muslims ... not Peace. And this isn't just due to extremists I'm afraid either. Also, take note that all non-Ahmadis are united against Ahmadis being Muslims. How beautiful is the prophecy of my beloved Prophet(SAW) fulfilled:
"Surely things will happen to my people as happened earlier to Israelites, they will resemble each other like one shoe in a pair resembles the other to the extent that if anyone among the Israelites has openly committed adultery to his mother there will be some who will do this in my Ummah as well, verily the Israelites were divided into 72 sections but my people will be divided into 73 sections, all of them will be in the fire except one."
states:
"One of the special importance of this decision has been that on it the consensus of Ummah has been in substantially correct manner. Throughout the history of Islam, such an overwhelming complete consensus has never been reached on any important topic. Other than the big religious scholars, holders of Shar'a, all the political leaders and political leaders of each group have agreed on this consensus. Other than these, all sufia karam, aarifeen Billah, the leaders of Tassawaf and practices had complete agreement. Excluding Qadianis all the rest of 72 sects which are considered to be of Muslims, agreed and are happy on the solution of this affair. Among the leaders of the nation and a'maideen, there does not appear to be any group which does not have a joyous attitude towards this decision. Nation should take a notice of this."
Like I say, I write this not so much for discussion but that if there are any souls out there seeking the truth, I tell you the Mahdi has come so investigate his claim for yourself diligently and open-mindedly and pray fervently to God Almighty for guidance. My literary ability is extremely limited, brittle and full of weakness so forgive me if I have made any omissions or not portrayed something correctly and please do not dismiss the Mahdi's claim based on this post - but instead read his books for yourself and ask The Almighty. Would he not answer your prayer on such an important matter? Ramadhan also is coming nearer and I hope you can take advantage of this to pray further to ask The All-Knowing about the truth of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Much of what he wrote is available online at
http://www.alislam.org/books - I suggest reading one of his epoch-making books that has transformed so many lives on studying and acting in accordance with - The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam. If anybody still wants to discuss further I am open to it - but I outright refuse to reply to any posts with foul words or just slander - it sinks my hearts that I see there's quite a bit of both here.
May Allah The Compassionate Guide us all for it is we who are in need of His guidance and not Him who is in need of our belief. Ameen.
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