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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby ZubeirAwal » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:21 am

^ :lol: , Obama doesn't give a shit about kenya thats all i know

But isn't this a somali man and a traditional somali way of dressing?
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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Meru » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:25 am

Yeah its just that somali's are mad and want our rightfull land y'know , we probably have the most land in the horn anyway.the horn belongs to US :sland: :som: :dj:
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i am sorry,That will never ever happen,we will never allow that. its a majority opinion by kenyans and ethiopians.lets just be contented with what everyone has, its enough.
Yeah i know, your afraid if the Somali's rule over you again., but now continue to dress up as gangsters in your parliament.
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i voted for him,he is my mp in nairobi. somalia will never get to that power to make us shake again and live fearfully over our villages fearing an invasion from the east,but we always want the best for you. no had feelings

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby BlackVelvet » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:25 am

Abuubakar I think that might be the lama goodle thing Shirib was talking about :up: :lol:

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Dudaaye » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:45 am

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Somalia-Ethiopia, Kenya Conflict

Ethiopia and Kenya concluded a mutual defense pact in 1964 in response to what both countries perceived as a continuing threat from Somalia. This pact was renewed in 1980 and again on August 28, 1987, calling for the coordination of the armed forces of both states in the event of an attack by Somalia.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... malia1.htm

Somali Tribes in NFD

Gabbra
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2,700 Killed During 60s Isiolo Massacre

Hussein Salesa

10 May 2011

EMOTIONS run high in Isiolo during a public TJRC hearing as victims of Daaba spoke of past injustices and killings during state of emergecny in 1960s.

The victims estimate the number of those shot dead during the state of emergency, when thousands of pastoralists were put into three concentration camps at 2,700.

Hussein Adan, who presented a memornadum to TJRC, said hundreds of women were raped, some tortured and beaten soldiers.

Adan said some women were taken away by security forces especially, the wives of men who fled to join Shifta, and detained at Merti, Garba-tulla and Modogashe camps. Hussein Jama recalled the massarcre and mass killing of livestock by soldiers during the state of emergency.

During the hearing, the victims said the government should undertake a comprehensive development initiative similar to marshal Plan that USA initiated for post world war reconstruction of Europe to compensate for the losses.

They claimed livestock worth billions of shillings were lost during the massarcre and that the only way to deal with the ugly and bloody past is to through reparation and compensation.

Victims recalled camels and donkeys were shot on sight because they were considered instruments of war. In fact, the camel population was almost wiped out in the period. Kenyan troops thought Shiftas took away the livestock for food or transport.

Adan also called on the government to rehabilitate and resettle the displaced population through restocking and other sustainable means to provide education, water and health.He said the government must also provide roads, telecommunication and railway network.

Some victims who presented their memorandum to the commission called on the government to pay the victims cash.

Daaba, meaning concertration camp, took place between 1965 and 1967, immediately after Kenya's independence. It took place in Isiolo district in Eastern province of Kenya. It was centred on the then three divisions of the district, namely: Merti, Garba Tulla and Modogashe.

The event that led to daaba were the clamour for Kenya's independence was rising in the 1950s and 1960s, new political parties cropped up in the South Kenya. The Northern Frontier Districts (NFD) region of Kenya was not left out.

And it led to formation of political Parties representing the interests of the pastroralists. The two major parties from the North were the Northern Province Peoples Progressive Party and the Northern People Union Association.

While the NPPPP, predominantly supported by the four districts of Garissa, Isiolo, Mandera and Wajir wanted the NFD to secede to the Republic of Somalia, the NPUA predominantly supported by Marsabit and Moyale districts, agitated for it to remain in Kenya.
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In a bid to determine the future of the NFD, the British government through the office of the Secretary of State for the colonies formed the Northern Frontier District Commission in 1962.The commission decided the regions remain part of Kenya.

Survivors said those frustrated by the decision opted to wage a guerrilla war against the Kenya Government. This was the beginning of the infamous "Shifta war The government of the newly independent Kenya used excessive military force to quell the uprising in most part of the NFD

They said though the civilians in NFD generally suffered from the brutal methods, the Waso Boran were collectively condemned and bear the brunt of the war.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Meru » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:54 am

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Somalia-Ethiopia, Kenya Conflict

Ethiopia and Kenya concluded a mutual defense pact in 1964 in response to what both countries perceived as a continuing threat from Somalia. This pact was renewed in 1980 and again on August 28, 1987, calling for the coordination of the armed forces of both states in the event of an attack by Somalia.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... malia1.htm

Somali Tribes in NFD

Gabbra
Rendille
Sakuye
Booni
Ogaden
Garre
Murule
Degodia
Wardey

2,700 Killed During 60s Isiolo Massacre

Hussein Salesa

10 May 2011

EMOTIONS run high in Isiolo during a public TJRC hearing as victims of Daaba spoke of past injustices and killings during state of emergecny in 1960s.

The victims estimate the number of those shot dead during the state of emergency, when thousands of pastoralists were put into three concentration camps at 2,700.

Hussein Adan, who presented a memornadum to TJRC, said hundreds of women were raped, some tortured and beaten soldiers.

Adan said some women were taken away by security forces especially, the wives of men who fled to join Shifta, and detained at Merti, Garba-tulla and Modogashe camps. Hussein Jama recalled the massarcre and mass killing of livestock by soldiers during the state of emergency.

During the hearing, the victims said the government should undertake a comprehensive development initiative similar to marshal Plan that USA initiated for post world war reconstruction of Europe to compensate for the losses.

They claimed livestock worth billions of shillings were lost during the massarcre and that the only way to deal with the ugly and bloody past is to through reparation and compensation.

Victims recalled camels and donkeys were shot on sight because they were considered instruments of war. In fact, the camel population was almost wiped out in the period. Kenyan troops thought Shiftas took away the livestock for food or transport.

Adan also called on the government to rehabilitate and resettle the displaced population through restocking and other sustainable means to provide education, water and health.He said the government must also provide roads, telecommunication and railway network.

Some victims who presented their memorandum to the commission called on the government to pay the victims cash.

Daaba, meaning concertration camp, took place between 1965 and 1967, immediately after Kenya's independence. It took place in Isiolo district in Eastern province of Kenya. It was centred on the then three divisions of the district, namely: Merti, Garba Tulla and Modogashe.

The event that led to daaba were the clamour for Kenya's independence was rising in the 1950s and 1960s, new political parties cropped up in the South Kenya. The Northern Frontier Districts (NFD) region of Kenya was not left out.

And it led to formation of political Parties representing the interests of the pastroralists. The two major parties from the North were the Northern Province Peoples Progressive Party and the Northern People Union Association.

While the NPPPP, predominantly supported by the four districts of Garissa, Isiolo, Mandera and Wajir wanted the NFD to secede to the Republic of Somalia, the NPUA predominantly supported by Marsabit and Moyale districts, agitated for it to remain in Kenya.
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* East Africa
* Kenya
* Conflict

In a bid to determine the future of the NFD, the British government through the office of the Secretary of State for the colonies formed the Northern Frontier District Commission in 1962.The commission decided the regions remain part of Kenya.

Survivors said those frustrated by the decision opted to wage a guerrilla war against the Kenya Government. This was the beginning of the infamous "Shifta war The government of the newly independent Kenya used excessive military force to quell the uprising in most part of the NFD

They said though the civilians in NFD generally suffered from the brutal methods, the Waso Boran were collectively condemned and bear the brunt of the war.
http://allafrica.com/stories/201105110126.html
rendille are not somali,as for the massacre it was unfortunate, it was carried out after constant incursions by somalis in meru territory and the killing of innocent women and children by the shifta, most of those killed however were shiftas.

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby samadoon-waaxid » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:55 am

Meru,you are too arrogant for a Bantu,and its quit blatant from you to speak about something called greater Kiswahili state when we are actually seeking the return of NFD as soon as we get our house in order.I hope u guys are gonna have the brains to arm ur self with something better than the second grade weapons u just listed cuz in the case that u went to an all out war with a united somalia in the future.you will be annihiliated by africa's most seasoned fighters and battle brave.and no white man will protect ur azz this time :up:

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Meru » Fri Jun 17, 2011 6:59 am

Meru,you are too arrogant for a Bantu,and its quit blatant from you to speak about something called greater Kiswahili state when we are actually seeking the return of NFD as soon as we get our house in order.I hope u guys are gonna have the brains to arm ur self with something better than the second grade weapons u just listed cuz in the case that u went to an all out war with a united somalia in the future.you will be annihiliated by africa's most seasoned fighters and battle brave.and no white man will protect ur azz this time :up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_AC-130 coming to a border near you

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby waryaa » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:14 am

Meru has a point. Ethiopia/Kenya will never allow strong Somalia. Somali land was divided into 5 parts many decades ago. Two got back together in 1960 only to separate after three decades. Now, Kenya wants to create a new buffer zone called Anzania. Ethiopia controls almost every Somali by proxy. If these two countries and decide to divide and annex Somalia between them, we will be just spectators. We are lucky if the current status quo is prolonged till Somalis wake up and smell the coffee.

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Meru » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:21 am

Meru has a point. Ethiopia/Kenya will never allow strong Somalia. Somali land was divided into 5 parts many decades ago. Two got back together in 1960 only to separate after three decades. Now, Kenya wants to create a new buffer zone called Anzania. Ethiopia controls almost every Somali by proxy. If these two countries and decide to divide and annex Somalia between them, we will be just spectators. We are lucky if the current status quo is prolonged till Somalis wake up and smell the coffee.
that buffer zone in the juba area was a secret till blown up by ethiopia after they got wind of it and became jealous, they are the ones who tipped off everyone in the world about it, i think kenya wont tell ethiopia secrets anymore, but i think its determined to establish that buffer zone area in jubaland back to the kenyan border. i do not support further splitting of somali people

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Dudaaye » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:22 am

rendille are not somali,as for the massacre it was unfortunate, it was carried out after constant incursions by somalis in meru territory and the killing of innocent women and children by the shifta, most of those killed however were shiftas.
Rendille are somalis.
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The Rendille lead a peaceful nomadic life in north central Kenya. They cling to a nomadic life of herding camels, goats and cattle. Harassed constantly by the more powerful groups of Oromo and Turkana, these people lead an extremely harsh existence. Some sources also report problems with the Somali, but the Somali have had a relatively benevolent view of eh Rendille as distant relatives.

History:
Before 1500, the ancestors of the Rendille were part of the same people and speaking the same "Somaloid" or Proto-Somali language with the ancestors of the Somali, Sakuye and Gabbra people. This people were already organized round a complex camel culture at that time. This included an extensive ritual calendar, based on dual lunar and solar calendars involving ceremonies for the well-being of camels and humans.

The 16th century Oromo expansion brought great disruption to these Somaloid peoples causing migrations south and westward from their southern Ethiopia and Somalia homes. These peoples were further separated when some groups of them developed ritual kinship arrangements with Oromo (Borana) peoples for protection. The Rendille were the southernmost of these Somaloid peoples and maintained their own culture and language more intact.

Identity:
The Rendille consist of nine clans called the white Rendille, plus one clan called Odoola. These clans have from 2 to 7 subclans. They are culturally similar to the Gabbra, having adopted some Borana customs and being related to the Somali people to the east.

Their language is closely related to Somali, but their allies are the Samburu to the South. One group of the Rendille, the Ariaal, are ethnically Rendille, but speak Samburu. The Ariaal no longer speak the Rendille language and are in reality a different people group. The Ariaal follow Samburu clan groupings and initiation rites.

Language:
The Rendille language is related to the Somali languages in the Eastern Cushite family of the Afro-Asiatic languages.

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Dudaaye » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:37 am

Meru has a point. Ethiopia/Kenya will never allow strong Somalia. Somali land was divided into 5 parts many decades ago. Two got back together in 1960 only to separate after three decades. Now, Kenya wants to create a new buffer zone called Anzania. Ethiopia controls almost every Somali by proxy. If these two countries and decide to divide and annex Somalia between them, we will be just spectators. We are lucky if the current status quo is prolonged till Somalis wake up and smell the coffee.
that buffer zone in the juba area was a secret till blown up by ethiopia after they got wind of it and became jealous, they are the ones who tipped off everyone in the world about it, i think kenya wont tell ethiopia secrets anymore, but i think its determined to establish that buffer zone area in jubaland back to the kenyan border. i do not support further splitting of somali people

The Scramble for Somalia


How the Sick Games are Played By Venatrix Fulmen
Ethiopia Not Enthusiastic About Kenya's Jubaland Initiative in Somalia

- Nairobi - In a cable sent by and from the U.S.American embassy (YATES) in Addis Ababa concerning U.S. UNDER SECRETARY OTERO’S MEETING WITH ETHIOPIAN PRIME MINISTER MELES ZENAWI on JANUARY 31, 2010, it was reported that in the presence of U.S. Under Secretary Otero, Assistant Secretary Carson, NSC Senior Director for African Affairs Michelle Gavin, PolOff Skye Justice (notetaker) and Special Assistant Gebretensae Gebremichael the Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi stated as follows:

"Meles said he had been briefed extensively regarding Kenya’s Jubaland initiative. Because Ethiopia had previously intervened in Somalia without seeking Kenyan approval, he said, the GoE would not presume to analyze the Kenyans’ chances for success in their own intervention. The GoE is sharing intelligence with Kenya, but Meles expressed a lack of confidence in Kenya’s capacity to pull off a tactical success, which he feared could have negative regional impacts. The GoE is therefore working to minimize the likelihood of a spillover effect in Ethiopia’s Somali Regional State. Noting that Ethiopia might have underestimated Kenya, Meles said, “We are not enthusiastic, but we are hoping for success." - so far the cable.
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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby Meru » Fri Jun 17, 2011 7:54 am

thats how ethiopia betrayed us and we are BFF imagine!

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby JolieFille » Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:09 am

Yeah its just that somali's are mad and want our rightfull land y'know , we probably have the most land in the horn anyway.the horn belongs to US :sland: :som: :dj:
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MERU, THE WAR IS NOT LOST! WE WILL COME BACK AGAIN! ;) :som: :som: :som: :som: :som:

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby The_Patriot » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:11 am

To be honest there is no military in Kenya.

Its just civil servants dressed in military gear.

Kenyan military is very weak. Ugandans can overrun them in a week. Thats why Uganda took over Miginngo islands and the Kenyan Govt is silent about it.

KLenyan military are just good for taking parades and showing their gangster clads apart from that they are a waste.

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Re: Kenya Military Strengths and weaknesses

Postby JolieFille » Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:18 am

To be honest there is no military in Kenya.

Its just civil servants dressed in military gear.

Kenyan military is very weak. Ugandans can overrun them in a week. Thats why Uganda took over Miginngo islands and the Kenyan Govt is silent about it.

KLenyan military are just good for taking parades and showing their gangster clads apart from that they are a waste.
If thats truth, why dident Somalia get NFD back before 1991?


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