Was it unreasonable to suspect Islamist groups in Norway?

[union]

Who blew up the world trade center towers?
Who blew up the trains in Spain?
Who perpetuated the 7/7 attacks?
Who bombed the Moscow subway system?
Who blew themselves up in Sweden just last year?
Who has launched countless suicide attacks in Africa and the Middle East?
Groups who associate themselves with Islam. 'Radical Islamists'.

It's not outrageous to suspect terrorist attacks committed in an otherwise tranquil society to be committed by Islamist groups, especially when within hours such groups start claiming responsibility and have for years been threatening attacks of this nature.

[yungnfresh]

Was Timothy McVeigh, the OKC bomber, a radical Muslim?

Were the IRA, who were responsible for the Manchester bombing, radical Muslims?

Were the FLQ, who were responsible for the Montreal Stock Exchange bombing, radical Muslims?

But you don't wanna talk about those though, adeer Thomas.

[union]

To be honest those attacks are few and far between. Only Radical Islamists have organized groups dedicated solely to attacking the West and bringing down Western civilization. And I only listed the attacks that were succesful. The list of thwarted attacks would have been been huge. Nigerian plane bomber, Portland Christmas bomber, Times Square bomber, etc etc....don't get like Islamists aren't overrepresented in terroristic activities.

[Voltage]

Fah, I thought you said he was permanently banned?

[union]

Voltage stay out of my thread if you are not going to contribute. I know it bugs you when I don't embrace your extreme left wing beliefs.

[yungnfresh]

To be honest those attacks are few and far between. Only Radical Islamists have organized groups dedicated solely to attacking the West and bringing down Western civilization. And I only listed the attacks that were succesful. The list of thwarted attacks would have been been huge. Nigerian plane bomber, Portland Christmas bomber, Times Square bomber, etc etc....don't get like Islamists aren't overrepresented in terroristic activities.

Would it emotionally shatter you to learn that official FBI records show that between 1980-2005, only 6% of terrorist attacks in the States were actually carried out by Muslims? Or that according to Europol, in 2007/2008/2009, 99.6% of terrorist attacks committed in Europe were by non-Muslim groups? Would that absolutely crush you? Cuz I've got sources, and therapy, on standby if needed.

[Voltage]

Was it unreasonable to suspect Islamist groups in Norway?

Yes. I can understand a gaal hurriedly running to blame Islam, but you, who claims to be a Muslim (and I use claim lightly since you seem to be even more rightwing than Ayan Xirsi), should have had reservations and at the least innocent before proven guilty stance.

According to official FBI reports...only only 6% of terrorist attacks committed in the US from 1980 to 2005 have been committed by Muslims:

only 6% of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil from 1980 to 2005 were carried out by Islamic extremists.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publi ... error02_05

As for Europe, here is Europol's statistics:

Terrorist attacks in Europe in 2006


in 2007


in 2008


For the whole period



Europol asking telling European countries that perception is not reality and perception can be skewered by many things including confusion in publicly policy and tells European countries to not be so obsessed with the Islamic threat but instead be more vigilant about areas where threats are more likely to emanate from

Islamist terrorism is still perceived as being the biggest threat worldwide, despite the fact that the EU only faced one Islamist terrorist attack in 2008. This bomb attack took place in the UK…Separatist terrorism remains the terrorism area which affects the EU most. This includes Basque separatist terrorism in Spain and France, and Corsican terrorism in France…Past contacts between ETA and the FARC illustrate the fact that also separatist terrorist organizations seek cooperation partners outside the EU on the basis of common interests. In the UK, dissident Irish republican groups, principally the RIRA and the CIRA, and other paramilitary groups may continue to engage in crime and violence.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/

[union]

Here is Voltage a few weeks ago echoing me:

How would you feel if Christians or other non-Muslims did this in Somalia for people and entities considered enemies of Islam or Somalis?

Protesting for bin Laden in London

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=275926


Groups like this have sprung up all over Europe. They protest in public places. They make loud threads, they have sophisticated recruitment programs and they have executed major terrorist attacks. Even if statistically Muslims commit a low percentage of the overall terroristic acts in the West, the negative media these Radical Islamists have generated has completely ruined the view of Islam and Muslims in the public eye. Therefore it is not unreasonable that Muslims fall suspect when attacks like this happen. The blame rests solely on these radical groups.

[Voltage]

Also, I remember reading a US State Department official saying on condition of anonymity mere hours after the attacks took place that the bombings seem to be more Norway's "Oklahoma City bombing" than anything else because an Al Qaeda type would have went to a mall or somewhere public rather than specifically attacking the ruling party as if they have domestic grievances.
nox
Even gaalada were thinking like that while your immature and anti-Islam reactionary mentality was following perception like brain dead sheep

[Voltage]

Here is Voltage a few weeks ago echoing me:

How would you feel if Christians or other non-Muslims did this in Somalia for people and entities considered enemies of Islam or Somalis?

Protesting for bin Laden in London

viewtopic.php?f=18&t=275926


Groups like this have sprung up all over Europe. They protest in public places. They make loud threads, they have sophisticated recruitment programs. Even if statistically Muslims commit a low number of the overall terroristic acts in the West, the negative media these Radical Islamists have generated has completely ruined the view of Islam and Muslims in the public eye. The blame rests solely on these groups.

What are you; a child? What does my topic have to do with your anti-Islam basis for everything? I disagreed with those people in the pics and I disagree with them now. That has nothing to do with what you are talking about.

[ToughGong]

@ the title of Volts source,"Loon watch" very appropiate

[yungnfresh]

LOL Voltage, you wanted to be the one to bring the hammer down huh...I was waiting for him to dig his own grave first after I tossed him the shovel

[union]

Also, I remember reading a US State Department official saying on condition of anonymity mere hours after the attacks took place that the bombings seem to be more Norway's "Oklahoma City bombing" than anything else because an Al Qaeda type would have went to a mall or somewhere public rather than specifically attacking the ruling party as if they have domestic grievances.
nox
Even gaalada were thinking like that while your immature and anti-Islam reactionary mentality was following perception like brain dead sheep

It doesn't matter what the government thinks. It matters what the general public thinks. The general public blamed Muslims. Why? Because of the extreme bad media Muslim groups have gained for themselves. Look at the pictures you yourself even posted man. If you saw those types of people with signs like "Jihad to Defend Muslims" everyday on your way to work or on the news every night, would you not also think they committed the attacks at first?

[yungnfresh]

Union, you're absolutely right, we would expect that line of thinking...from a GAAL. As a Muslim though, you'd think you'd err on the side of caution and give Muslims the benefit of the doubt cuz you consider yourself one...instead, you lead the charge in the witchhunt for Islamic involvement anytime anything negative happens anywhere.

[union]

Union, you're absolutely right, we would expect that line of thinking...from a GAAL. As a Muslim though, you'd think you'd err on the side of caution and give Muslims the benefit of the doubt cuz you consider yourself one...instead, you lead the charge in the witchhunt for Islamic involvement anytime anything negative happens anywhere.

In front of non Muslims I don't make Islam look bad and I make sure to always shed light on the positive aspects of the faith. Anti Islamic feelings among the general public make me nervous too because I have a Muslim name, family, and not to mention faith. But in front of Muslims I don't shy away from placing the blame and criticizing a Muslim community I feel hasn't done enough to combat terrorism. The hard questions need to be asked. Why are Muslims involved in so much terrorist attacks? Why are Muslims making themselves get so much bad media attention? How much BLAME lies with the Muslims in the increasing right wing feelings towards Muslims. Unlike some people, I don't hold Muslim communities blameless in this regard.