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Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

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Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby union » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:34 pm

Denmark's strict immigration laws have saved the country 6.7 billion euros, a government report has claimed. Even though Denmark already has some of the toughest immigration laws in Europe, right-wing populist politicians are now trying to make them even more restrictive.

Denmark's strict immigration laws have saved the country billions in benefits, a government report has claimed. The Integration Ministry report has now led to calls among right-wing populists to clamp down further on immigrants to increase the savings.

The extremely strict laws have dramatically reduced the flow of people into Denmark in recent years, and many government figures are delighted with the outcome. "Now that we can see that it does matter who comes into the country, I have no scruples in further restricting those who one can suspect will be a burden on Denmark," the center-right liberal integration minister, Søren Pind, told the Jyllands Posten newspaper.

Pind was talking after the ministry's report -- initiated by the right-wing populist Danish People's Party (DPP) -- came to the conclusion that by tightening immigration laws, Denmark has saved €6.7 billion ($10 billion) over the last 10 years, money which otherwise would supposedly have been spent on social benefits or housing. According to the figures, migrants from non-Western countries who did manage to come to Denmark have cost the state €2.3 billion, while those from the West have actually contributed €295 million to government coffers.

'Restrictions Pay Off'

The report has led to jubilation among right-wing politicians: "We now have it in black and white that restrictions (on immigrants) pay off," said DPP finance spokesman Kristian Thulesen Dahl. The DPP will almost certainly exploit the figures in future negotiations over the Danish economy.

But the report has sparked outrage from opposition parties like the centrist Social Liberal Party, which dismissed it as undignified and discriminatory. The party's integration spokeswoman, Marianne Jelved, said: "A certain group of people is being denounced and being blamed for our deficit, being made into whipping boys." She added: "We cannot classify people depending on their value to the economy. That is degrading in a democracy that has a basic value of equality."

Still, the announcement has not come as surprise. The right-wing populist DPP, which has been working with the ruling center-right coalition government of Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen since 2001, has in the past made its aims very clear: a complete halt to immigration into Denmark from non-Western countries. "A Somali who is no good for anything, that is simply not acceptable," said DPP leader Pia Kjærsgaard. Similarly, center-right liberal Prime Minister Rasmussen has also said anyone who would be a burden on Denmark is not welcome in the country.

... The small Scandinavian country already has the strictest immigration and asylum laws in Europe. For example, foreign couples are only allowed to marry if both partners are at least 24 years old. The number of asylum seekers and relatives of immigrants seeking entry into Denmark dropped by more than two-thirds within nine years as a result of the tough laws.

A Decisive Issue in Denmark

But things may soon get pushed even further. Elections are due to be held this fall, and the ruling parties apparently want to put forward even stricter rules, driven by the xenophobic rhetoric of the right-wing populists. In polls, the approval ratings of more liberal politicians have fallen, and the opposition center-left Social Democrats have promised not to change current immigration laws if they win the election. Immigration will always be a big issue in Denmark -- almost 10 percent of Denmark's 5.5 million people are migrants -- and the issue was a decisive one in the last election, in 2007.

In November, the government agreed to stricter laws and made the entry of immigrants' spouses more difficult. Only those who collect enough "points" may come to Denmark in the future -- with points being determined by factors such as academic qualifications and proof of language proficiency. In addition, the equivalent of €13,000 must be deposited with the state in the form of a bank guarantee to cover any future public assistance. Socially deprived areas with a disproportionately high number of immigrants will be subject in future to a so-called "ghetto strategy" designed to prevent high concentrations of foreigners in public housing areas. Migrants will be assigned housing, and three-year-old children who do not speak Danish well enough will be required to attend state child care.

Some immigrants have already turned their back on Denmark voluntarily. Increasing numbers of Somalis are moving away, especially to the UK, the Jyllands Posten reported on Thursday, because of discrimination.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Coeus » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:43 pm

Denmark is a shithole, and im Glad i live in Sweden instead of that shithole.

Their policies is beneficiary for them, yes. But arabs and other immigrant grups are in gang violence and killings in that country, yet they turn their attention to newly immigrated Somalis that have very very low crime statistics.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:48 pm

Denmark is full of Palestinians and Turks. Somalis are a minority of the minorities. They just use Somali as an example, but they have the same opinion on Turks, Palestinians, Lebanese etc etc.

Either way, its their country and their laws. They can do as they please.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:50 pm

As Somalis we are triple minority. Blacks + Immigrants + Muslims. All three are disliked, and we fit into all three categories.

Such is life. :|

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Coeus » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:57 pm

As Somalis we are triple minority. Blacks + Immigrants + Muslims. All three are disliked, and we fit into all three categories.

Such is life. :|
And that is parly why we must gain from the free education in these countries, and repatriate our selves back to Somalia and take part in the nation building. I would never allow myself to die old in Scandinavia.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby union » Sun Aug 07, 2011 8:58 pm

As Somalis we are triple minority. Blacks + Immigrants + Muslims. All three are disliked, and we fit into all three categories.

Such is life. :|
It's not like Somalis are doing much not to be disliked. :lol:

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:00 pm

Denmark is a shithole, and im Glad i live in Sweden instead of that shithole.

Their policies is beneficiary for them, yes. But arabs and other immigrant grups are in gang violence and killings in that country, yet they turn their attention to newly immigrated Somalis that have very very low crime statistics.
They have a huge influx of Palestinian refugees and Lebanese/Turkish immigrants. Even amongst the immigrants, Somalis are a minority and their crime rate is very very low.

There are less Somalis in Denmark now than there was 10-15 years ago. Most have moved to Carabta, Afrika or England. That'll make Pia Kjaersgaard happy.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby union » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:01 pm

Denmark is a shithole, and im Glad i live in Sweden instead of that shithole.

Their policies is beneficiary for them, yes. But arabs and other immigrant grups are in gang violence and killings in that country, yet they turn their attention to newly immigrated Somalis that have very very low crime statistics.
Is Sweden really any better? It's the same people, just across the water.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:03 pm

As Somalis we are triple minority. Blacks + Immigrants + Muslims. All three are disliked, and we fit into all three categories.

Such is life. :|
And that is parly why we must gain from the free education in these countries, and repatriate our selves back to Somalia and take part in the nation building. I would never allow myself to die old in Scandinavia.
I cant see myself growing old in Europe.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:04 pm

Denmark is a shithole, and im Glad i live in Sweden instead of that shithole.

Their policies is beneficiary for them, yes. But arabs and other immigrant grups are in gang violence and killings in that country, yet they turn their attention to newly immigrated Somalis that have very very low crime statistics.
Is Sweden really any better? It's the same people, just across the water.
Sweden are far more liberal than Denmark. In fact, Sweden is probably the most liberal country in the Western world.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Coeus » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:07 pm

Denmark is a shithole, and im Glad i live in Sweden instead of that shithole.

Their policies is beneficiary for them, yes. But arabs and other immigrant grups are in gang violence and killings in that country, yet they turn their attention to newly immigrated Somalis that have very very low crime statistics.
Is Sweden really any better? It's the same people, just across the water.
Sweden has its far right parties. But they are never included in desicion making. Infact the left is so strong in this country, that they had ties to the communists in the 70s and 80s. Even one of our former ministers from the left, was apart of the Eritran liberation struggle. He trained women and faciliteted Logistics.

Far right parties are jokes in Sweden. Denmark is another story as you can see.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:13 pm

Denmark is a breeding ground for far right groups.

When they found out that Norwegian terrorist was white, a lot of people immediately thought he was from Denmark.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Coeus » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:22 pm

Denmark is a breeding ground for far right groups.

When they found out that Norwegian terrorist was white, a lot of people immediately thought he was from Denmark.
What a messed up place. :down:

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Beenaale_No1 » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:24 pm

Its fascinating when Somalis came to Europe it was mainly to Scandinavia + Holland + Britain. That was it.

Not to Germany or France or our former colonial masters Italy.

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Re: Is Denmark just or unfair to Somalis?

Postby Voltage » Sun Aug 07, 2011 9:29 pm

Denmark is like my nightmare place to live. A tiny inbred passive-aggressive boring and lifeless white society in a perpetually gray country with gothic doom architecture is the last place I would want to settle down and I doubt any Somali would go there except for benefits. For their future and the future of their kids and their own psychological well being, I am happy to see right-wing policies voluntarily forcing Somalis to leave for greener and lighter pasture. They will see they have gained not lost anything by leaving. :up:


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