Federalism

[DropkickMurphy]

All the old school Somali intellectuals are opposed to the version of federalism Zenawi is promoting in Somalia.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Absolutely federalism. Its clear that's what Somalis want. The only people against federalism are the ones whose home communities and diaspora are failing to create viable working states in their regions. Others are totally pro-federalism and have been able to mobilize both politically, economically, and security-wise, like PL, Galmudug, Azania, Hiiraan State and Ximan/Xeeb. This is the way forward. Maamul goboleeds are popping up left and right because everyone has realized its the future. The truth is in front of our eyes.

First of your region has failed to implement this federalism with succes. Your adminstration in Garowe claims borders far beyond what it controlls today. It is ridden with sub clan tribal conflict, pirates, high level assasinations and a very hostile atmosphere for independet journalists.

I think Puntland is a bad example of federalism, but a good example of organized crime flourishing without reppercussions from a central goverment.

The only place where Nabadoons, Clan Elders, Religious Scholars are getting slaughtered is in Mudug, Nugaal and Bari.

[AhmedBoqor]

Absolutely federalism. Its clear that's what Somalis want. The only people against federalism are the ones whose home communities and diaspora are failing to create viable working states in their regions. Others are totally pro-federalism and have been able to mobilize both politically, economically, and security-wise, like PL, Galmudug, Azania, Hiiraan State and Ximan/Xeeb. This is the way forward. Maamul goboleeds are popping up left and right because everyone has realized its the future. The truth is in front of our eyes.

First of your region has failed to implement this federalism with succes. Your adminstration in Garowe claims borders far beyond what it controlls today. It is ridden with sub clan tribal conflict, pirates, high level assasinations and a very hostile atmosphere for independet journalists.

I think Puntland is a bad example of federalism, but a good example of organized crime flourishing without reppercussions from a central goverment.

The only place where Nabadoons, Clan Elders, Religious Scholars are getting slaughtered is in Mudug, Nugaal and Bari.

I'm sorry, scholars getting killed in Bari??! show me reports edeer.

[quark]

FAH, tell us your opinions of the topic

More along the lines The Swiss model. Somalia should be decentralized but not so extremely decentralized where states are independent countries.

[greenday]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

[Monk-of-Mogadishu]

FAH's vision of the Swiss model is too soft. Its like prescribing aspirin for a virus. Somalia needs a revamping, a system that allows Somalis to try things entirely differently from the past 20 years. Firstly, there's no central government, so we'd have to wait for that to even begin what FAH views as the future. Its best to start the state-based Fed system right now so the states can develop and put together a joint Fed gov't - no one is going to throw away any progress into the arms of Sheikh Hotel.

People need to firmly realize what Somali society is composed of; clan systems. This is not Japan nor Angola, we live within a system of clan loyalties. Its time to build a platform that suits the clans and not the League of Nations, we've spent too much time trying to please a system designed by outsiders.

[quark]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

Thanks for your input greenday by saying regions do you mean states like galmudug, ximan and xeeb, PL etc or you had something else in mind?

[FAH1223]

FAH, tell us your opinions of the topic

More along the lines The Swiss model. Somalia should be decentralized but not so extremely decentralized where states are independent countries.

States should benefit from the different resource industries but the federal government has to have revenues from them too.

Paidmonk, you're system is just carving Somalia up into 10 different countries. It may work for some, may not for others. Zero cooperation between them and no over arching structure to protect them all.

Its cool if you want Puntland to be a COMPLETELY separate country.

[AhmedBoqor]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

England has the population necessary in order to divide themselves of into 50+ regions. Even if with some magic stick, 80% of the Somali diaspora returns to Somalia within a decade after restoring a strong and stable federal government, you're looking at about 11-12 million Somalis in a big country. You only need one representative for every 100 - 250 thousands people, and each states/region would need a balanced amount of people in order to be heard.

We should not further divides the regions we already have, e.g. Sanaag, Bari, etc. They should each have their own regional government which in turn co-operates with federal government. As it stands, Somalia has 18 administrative regions, a little too many, lets add up 2 or 3 smalls ones to form a state and make it happen that way

[FAH1223]

If we want to balkanize the whole country, then lets do it.

[Coeus]

FAH's vision of the Swiss model is too soft. Its like prescribing aspirin for a virus. Somalia needs a revamping, a system that allows Somalis to try things entirely differently from the past 20 years. Firstly, there's no central government, so we'd have to wait for that to even begin what FAH views as the future. Its best to start the state-based Fed system right now so the states can develop and put together a joint Fed gov't - no one is going to throw away any progress into the arms of Sheikh Hotel.

People need to firmly realize what Somali society is composed of; clan systems. This is not Japan nor Angola, we live within a system of clan loyalties. Its time to build a platform that suits the clans and not the League of Nations, we've spent too much time trying to please a system designed by outsiders.

A good recipie for a balkanised country

[Knight of Wisdom]

If we want to balkanize the whole country, then lets do it.

That's what eradicated Al-Andulus, 800 years of Muslim presence was completely wiped out. That's the direction the likes of Paidmonk want to drive Somalia and the Somali people to.

[greenday]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

Thanks for your input greenday by saying regions do you mean states like galmudug, ximan and xeeb, PL etc or you had something else in mind?

All these are qabiils states, we need to mix people e.g add three gobolo to make a state, this will wipe out my qabiil owns this mentality.

[XimanJaale]

This is my dream government that i designed myself

somalia has 18 regions

18 governors
18 ministers
180 mp's , 10 of them from one region so 10x18=180mps
18 vice ministers

individual regions choose their own governor and pick their own 10 mps from their own region

my dreaaaaaaaaam i will make this happen inshallah

[greenday]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

England has the population necessary in order to divide themselves of into 50+ regions. Even if with some magic stick, 80% of the Somali diaspora returns to Somalia within a decade after restoring a strong and stable federal government, you're looking at about 11-12 million Somalis in a big country. You only need one representative for every 100 - 250 thousands people, and each states/region would need a balanced amount of people in order to be heard.

We should not further divides the regions we already have, e.g. Sanaag, Bari, etc. They should each have their own regional government which in turn co-operates with federal government. As it stands, Somalia has 18 gobol, a little too many, let add up 2 or 3 smalls ones to form a state and make it happen that way

Britian is made of only three states much more less than 18