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How Green is Puntland?

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How Green is Puntland?

Postby D-Runner » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:43 pm

It is funny ignorant people assume Puntland siiba Bari, Nugaal, Mudug is just barren land with no life in it.

No doubt Puntland is nowhere as green as the south and thank god for that because we are going to make billions out of it just like the Saudis :mrgreen:

In giving the ignorant bunch a run for their money I will constrain myself and just stick with Bari, Mudug, and Nugaal, because we all know Sanaag Bari which is also part of Puntland is very lush.

Here goes nothing so yeah eat your hearts out you ignorant bunch because images do speak louder then words:

1. Bari

Biyokulule, Bari
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Buq Bacaad, Bari
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Dhurbo, Bari
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Dhuudo, Bari
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Geesaley, Bari
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Karin, Bari
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Laak, Bari
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Meladeen, Bari
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Qandala, Bari
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Qaw, Bari
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Xaabo, Bari
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Xiddo, Bari
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Yalho, Bari
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2. Nugaal

Garowe. Nugaal
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Dooxada Nugaal, Eyl District
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Eyl, Nugaal
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3. North Mudug

Roox, Mudug
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Lake Roox, Mudug
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Well I guess you guys get the picture now, I can keep on posting but I'll leave it for the Puntlandis here to add on.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Sat Aug 13, 2011 11:51 pm

PL has the same landscape as the Hejaz or Yemen or Oman. Lots of very wet valleys and water-rich hilly regions as well as many oases. My grandmother was raised in Eyl and traveled throughout Bari and Nugaal, she says the driest place in PL is Garacad coast in Mudug, but the rest of the state is moist. PL has a lot of "dur-dur" which are valley streams. They are found primarily in the Nugaal valley and Dharoor valley - Qardho is by far the wettest inland region in PL. Outside of the Shabelle river commercial farms, Puntland has the most heavily and rigorously-irrigated farms in Somalia. There are large farms north of Garowe and around Bosaso, and smaller farms in Qardho and Eyl. Puntland has more commercial agricultural operations than the entire Jubba river valley.

Puntland, on average, is more arid than even Waqoyi, but it has a lot of valleys and water capsules not seen in any other region including the south, like seasonal lakes & rivers and natural reservoirs as well as permanent oases. I've also heard from close family sources who were part of a World Bank meeting in the 90s that beneath Puntland is the world's largest underground lake (aquifer).

When I get my shit together, PL will grow enough food to feed the entire Horn because it certainly has the potential. :up:

There is no point in addressing the ignorant though - PL has never suffered a large-scale famine while the "fertile" south has. Our land is plenty fertile and sufficient.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby D-Runner » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:07 am

Monk,

The Puntland admin needs to hire professional photographers... you should use your Cise Mahmud connections and make that happen mann cause these amateur produced pictures aren't helping the states image.

Great info btw. :up:
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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Mckuus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:09 am

I think you guys are getting fooled by images from oases and other small green areas people tend to take pictures of. This does not represent the climate at large. Puntland is quite dry, in fact it is the driest region in all of Somalia. However, it’s not a true desert like the Sahara or Arabian Peninsula, it is receives about 100 to 250 mm of annual rainfall. This sustains some Acacia trees and some small shrubs. It is not enough for rain fed agriculture, only irrigated agriculture is possible.
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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby D-Runner » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:17 am

^If you haven't saw the area with your own eyes kindly shut the fuck up and quit airing the same hot air of those who haven't seen state in person.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:20 am

Monk,

The Puntland admin needs to hire professional photographers... you should use your Cise Mahmud connections and make that happen mann. The possible would have been limitless in show off our Beautiful Puntland; these amateur produced pictures aren't helping the states image.

Great info btw. :up:
My Riyoole connections are in Kismayo unfortunately but I hope my family starts moving back to our homeland soon. I only have close sub-clan relatives in Eyl (including some pirates) and Dan Gorayo.
I think you guys are getting fooled by images from oases and other small green areas people tend to take pictures of. This does not represent the climate at large. Puntland is quite dry, in fact it is the driest region in all of Somalia. However, it’s not a true desert like the Sahara or Arabian Peninsula, it is receives about 100 to 250 mm of annual rainfall. This sustains some Acacia trees and some small scrubs. It is not enough for rain fed agriculture, only irrigated agriculture is possible.
I already stated that PL is the most arid region in some parts, but it has the most diverse landforms in the country like valleys, oases, and hills everywhere you go. These pockets of water hold tremendous volume and overall make Puntland a very moist place. I compare it to eastern Oman, Yemen, and the Hejaz region. Nobody here is claiming that Puntland is tropic, but it has many hidden water sources. On average, a region like Waqoyi or Awdal is a lot more moist on the ground than PL due to waterfall but those regions do not have oases or valleys like PL that hold large volumes of water - its just a matter of exploiting it and many PL communities have began mechanized agricultural operations already.

ALSO, (I will find the map later) Puntland has had the shortest periods of drought in all of East Africa in the last 30 years. Our rainfall is much more stable than any other region.
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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Mckuus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:21 am

^If you haven't saw the area with your own eyes kindly shut the fuck up and quit airing the same hot air of those who haven't seen state in person.
I have traveled to North Somalia (including Puntland) a few times. I don't see how what I stated is offensive? It's the truth. Most of Puntland is quite arid.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Mckuus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:26 am

If you want unbiased climatic data on Somalia you can go here:

http://www.faoswalim.org/

Puntland is the driest region in greater Somalia hands down.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby ToughGong » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:29 am

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Meeshani waa qurux :up:

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby D-Runner » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:31 am

^If you haven't saw the area with your own eyes kindly shut the fuck up and quit airing the same hot air of those who haven't seen state in person.
I have traveled to North Somalia (including Puntland) a few times. I don't see how what I stated is offensive? It's the truth. Most of Puntland is quite arid.
Both animals (livestock and wild) and human thrive in Bari, Nugaal, and Mudug. Do you even know the definition of "arid?" I'm offended because your using a word that is fit to describe the Sahara desert on an area that is hospitable to all life form.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Mckuus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 12:38 am

Both animals (livestock and wild) and human thrive in Bari, Nugaal, and Mudug. Do you even know the definition of "arid?" I'm offended because your using a word that is fit to describe the Sahara desert on an area that is hospitable to all life form.
Read my first post again, I said it was NOT like the Sahara as it receives some rain to sustain Acacia's and small shrubs. You won't find any sand dunes or anything like that in Puntlnd, it is more rocky/hilly terrain dotted with acacia trees (called Qurac in Somali) with a lot of open space in between them.

Any place in the world that receives less than 250 mm of annual precipitation is considered arid. So yes Puntland is arid. This is not an opinion but a scientific fact.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby udun » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:06 am

I think we, PLers, should focus on how we can capture some of the rain water that goes down to the Indian Ocean and the Red Sea. Since the rain we receive is not very big, and is much smaller than what it used to be, I think building many mini-dams would help it. Any civil engineers here in this section who could expand how these small dam efforts can be undertaken?

Expanding the small lakes would also do a greater good.

The pictures look good, maasha'Allah.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby D-Runner » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:08 am

Dooxadii Qardhood oo Doonyuhu Ka Dhoofi Karaan Biyo Darteed
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Mckuus, as you can see that's more then enough rainfall one can ask for and with the right environmental protection in place you bet your arse that areas previously impacted by charcoal burning will thrive again... now kindly exit my thread and go fart elsewhere.

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Mckuus » Sun Aug 14, 2011 1:31 am

^ Puntland's aridity has nothing to do with charcoal burning but simply rainfall patterns:

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Re: How Green is Puntland?

Postby Monk-of-Mogadishu » Sun Aug 14, 2011 2:02 am

Here's a map highlighting drought in East Africa; Puntland has suffered the least in terms of drought in the last 30 years due to stable rainfall and healthy soils. There have been less than a few dozen weeks of drought in Puntland in three decades. Puntland doesn't have heavy rains but it has stable rain patterns.


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