So does Somalia belong in "African" crowd or the "Muslim"

[Alluring]

On top of this, Ethiopia gets a lot of foreign aid, before the United States, it was the UK. Did any of them start speaking in British English, and wearing powdered wigs? In some of your arguments, they should be, if they haven't already.

[SahanGalbeed]

Ethiopians regards themselves as Africans because of the AU headquarters being in Addis , that's about it .
I have lived in Addis , I have first hand witnessed the way some Ethiopians treat and speak about other Africans , give me fuc,kin break .
The other factor in my opinion is religion . The ethiopian elite has always been christian , the majority of arabs are muslims . Whether there are arab copts or other christian is irrelevant , they are a tiny minority who for the most part try to dump their arabness as soon as they make it out of their birth country
The link between the somalis and Arabia is undeniable whether through religion , culture or blood .

[Alluring]

That is not the point, of course some Ethiopians would be prejudice. But we are talking about a political game, a game Somalis fail at each and every turn. Ethiopians present themselves as Africans, while Somalis who have similar attributes as Ethiopians present themselves as Arabs or anything but African. If Somalis were good in the political spectrum, Somaliland would be a country today.

[Beenaale_No1]

Ethiopians regards themselves as Africans because of the AU headquarters being in Addis , that's about it .
I have lived in Addis , I have first hand witnessed the way some Ethiopians treat and speak about other Africans , give me fuc,kin break .

I agree. They are no different to Somalis in regards to how they speak about other Africans. In fact, they have more derogatory words to describe Africans iyo madoowga mareykaanka than we do, I been to Ethiopia many times. They have no love for the Bantu dominant Africans.

Alluring is right though. Ethiopians know how to play the political game. It also helps that the AU headquarters is located in Addis. We should learn a thing or two from the Ethiopians tbh.

[Mondey]

crowd now? Ethnic Somalis are a Muslim and Black African society, but now comes the choice to make a concrete decision. Do we belong in the Black African crowd or the Muslim/Arab crowd?

We have seen Kuwait, we have seen Qatar, we have seen UAE, we have seen Saudi Arabia, we have seen Turkey, we have even seen the Palestinians.

The Palestinians donated more money to the Somali famine than half of the African continent and the Saudi public gave private donations more than what all of African donated to Somalia. Even half of what African donated came primarily from two Arab/Muslim states; Egypt and Algeria while two of the richest countries, Black Nigeria and South Africa watched from the sidelines.

In fact one little Ghanian schoolboy gave more than a third of African continent combined and only one president who is not from the drought countries even cared to show up. All this while this is the biggest humanitarian situation in the world and African Somali babies die of starvation?

Black means nothing and African means nothing. Somali identity and culture seems to have rightly aligned with Muslim Easterners.

plus the reason we are gettin all this help from carabta is bcoz we are a member in their arab league.

i pretty much prefer the non arab muslims i.e Indonesia, malaysia, turkey, pakistan as allies and friends.

[SahanGalbeed]

Look here my friends , I am not denying the fact Ethiopians may surely be politically more mature than we are , but I think I have given you the reasons why the somalis tend to drift more towards Arabia than the continent of Africa.
Just my opinion

[Alluring]

Look here my friends , I am not denying the fact Ethiopians may surely be politically more mature than we are , but I think I have given you the reasons why the somalis tend to drift more towards Arabia than the continent of Africa.
Just my opinion

Yet in 1978, the war between Somalia and Ethiopia. South Yemen, and Libya were on the side of Ethiopia. Learn politics, my friend. It will do you a world of service. Arabs do not care about you, or if you share a religion. Everyone in the world thinks about their people (country, ethnicity) before anything else, it is just the Somalis who assume people think about being Muslims first.

While the Turkish PM and wife were kissing babies in Mogadisho, his military unit were bombing the hell out of the Kurds, who are...wait for this...MUSLIM. Why? Because they feel that their people are at risk.

[SahanGalbeed]

1/Ethiopia and Yemen have always had ties dating back to antiquity
2/ South Yemen was as communist as Mengistu

About Lybia , though I haven't heard of the lybians supporting Ethiopia in their war against Somalia , I know al Qaddafi has also financially assisted the SSDF {majeerten guerilla movement} . So assuming what you're saying is true , was he anti somali or anti Siyad Barre ? { after having been his friend }

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[DropkickMurphy]

So, I don't see why we should align ourselves with anyone.
We should just be proud citizens of Somalia

We have a large Iraqi, South Sudanese and other African populations in my city and to be honest I associate with neither group - the Africans or Arabs - in real life so I don't see the point of Somalia having to choose one group over the other. Somalia should work with both and used them to its advantage.

[BlackVelvet]

It takes brain cells to make such an insightful post. Walaashey macaan don't take these grown men with slave mentality serious. They are easily impressionable and lack the ability to make a critical judgement on any given subject

cosign

The lady has aqlii badan.

I was starting to get worried about Somalis.

[Voltage]

Do you not think it is silly and a little demeaning to base your identity and encourage social alignment purely on how much donation you've received from where? The donations are in my opinion from God who decided to instill sympathy in the hearts of those who gave and my Allah bless the givers for their generosity and my Allah make us grateful and self-sufficient henceforth and never again in need of pity and handouts....anyway, all I'm saying is, you are who you are...you can't change that. You can't decide you're going to be Japanese or English because they've donated significant money to dying people. That's just silly.

Ethnic Somalis are cushites.....doesn't mean all Somalis are ethnically Somali.
Somalia is an African country...doesn't make all Somalis ethically African.
Majority of Somalis are Muslim.....doesn't make all Somalis Muslim.

So, I don't see why we should align ourselves with anyone.
We should just be proud citizens of Somalia>> a beautiful country in the east coast of Africa with diverse cultures and ethnic groups and a predominantly Muslim population.

Do you even listen to yourselves. You consistently used religious epithet and seemed to evoke the faith and sympathy God puts into those who help and feel our pain as Muslims have majority done as we had witnessed. Then you add something about choosing between Japanese or English which I don't understand really and nor I believe is appreciative of the Somali situation and history.

Somalia is at the southernmost part of the Muslim heart in the world and yet we are Africa. We are in both the African Union and the Arab League. The precedence exists for a dual competing identity yet the African identity of the country lies in its continent while the Islamic/Identity is one of culture, religion, traditions, values, etc. When you understand the appeals across the Arab World and even look at for example the largest giver of AID to Somalia being Algeria, and then Egypt...two other Muslim/Arab states while South Africa, Africa's only member of the G20, and Nigeria the second most influential economy who don't even so much as care to give 1/10 of what Algeria gave in our greatest moment of need...you start to see who is your friend and who isn't, who is your brother and who isn't, you start to set priorities and that is what I am afraid is something that is beyond your understanding in this topic.

[FarhanYare]

Do you guys ever make a distinction between African and North African? FYI, Arabia is on the African plate.

The Semites and Kushites are related. If we learned anything from the genetic studies it is that the herding peoples from the Sahara mixed with folks from the Mediterranean area and Southwest Asia. They derive from a separate mutation from the Bantus.

Some Somalis are among the darkest people on Earth, but in my opinion, they are not black. They are marin. Some with a sunburn.

[Beenaale_No1]

I know Somais got identity issues, but Sudan is far worse than us. Many of them are confused and not sure what they are. At least we speak our own language, have our own culture, our own music and our own clan system.

Why cant we be both. Ethnic Somalis who are Black African Muslims.

[BlackVelvet]

One thing I don't understand with this thread. Why are you equating Muslim with Arab? Do you believe you have to be an Arab to be a Muslim?

[FAH1223]