Why do people think being in particular clan influences...

[Khalid Ali]

Olive oil isaaqs are very open about qabil, qabil is not a taboo in our society because its not a taboo we have found out a way to live with qabil. We do not hide it like some people do for instance an isaaq will never ask you what region you are from if he wants to know your qabil he wil straight up say war qolomaad tahay or yaad tahay. Ask me al somalis are qabil minded people from hargerysa from burco jabuuti jigjiga kismayo xamar boosaaso galkayco. Its just some love to hide and some dont. What does an oromo know about isaaq we dont even border

[Meru]

Ex-Bantu Meru lol!
Where did u get that from!

Among all somalis I came to know in my childhood , the most clan oriented are Isaaqs; when they attain a certain age their friends and interest are exclusively Clan oriented. They can travel two or three kilometres to go and play and be with their keen than playing with non issaaq in their neighbourhood.
That used to drive crazy other somalis
On the other hand, everybody knew how they are, and interacted with them accordingly.
I still have contacts with some Issaa/Gada childhood friends,but it never occured to me to look for the few issaaqs I knew.

Clanism when honestly displayed is ok even respectable as ideology, its bad/evil when hidden under other ideology!
B.

wow!! its that bad?? i never knew but at least isaaq are peaceful,i don't know of any isaaq warlord either

[Xamud.]

Olive oil isaaqs are very open about qabil, qabil is not a taboo in our society because its not a taboo we have found out a way to live with qabil. We do not hide it like some people do for instance an isaaq will never ask you what region you are from if he wants to know your qabil he wil straight up say war qolomaad tahay or yaad tahay. Ask me al somalis are qabil minded people from hargerysa from burco jabuuti jigjiga kismayo xamar boosaaso galkayco. Its just some love to hide and some dont. What does an oromo know about isaaq we dont even border

Uhh...Yeah reer Gaalkacyos will tell you what tribe you are, forget about asking, they will be like "war heedhe yaad hortaa reer hebel ka tahay"

Also emeperior, lets be honest, Issaq waa qabyalaad badanyihiin, thats not a stab at anyone, but I know this because I have spent a lot of time with them. Laakin iyaga they dont mind you if they know your tribe, waxaa ugu daran haadi meheer ama meel layskugu tagay tagtid and no one knows your tribe, and you are sitting in the middle of the crowd, naqaska ku dhagay THEY MUST know your tribe, haadi kale they cant discuss politics or tribes, waxaa laga yaaba if you tell them your tribe they will still say(good or bad) what they wanted say allong but they will feel better knowing they know where u are coming from.

Overall, konfurians are catching up with the qabyaalad thing, maanta isku mid ba la wada yahay in terms of qabyaalad.

[Khalid Ali]

Yes mr xamud its true isaaq wey qabyalaad badanyihin wey kaftan badanyihin wey hadal badanyihin they will throw a few jokes with you but iyaga ka xumaan maha they dont think waxani wa ceeb or not nice. The saying wixi la qariya qudhun baa ku jira comes from the north.isaaqs will never smile to you if they dont like ur clan like some koonfurians do reer galkacyood iyagu waba nooc kale iyagu intay qabil isku dilaan bey maalinta danbe shaah isku shubaan its a culture that is actually good dadku inay furfurnadaan. But about qabyalaad somalidu is the same waxba isma dhamaan its just some are loud some are not

[Voltage]

I have noticed the Isaaq resemble the country bumbkins and the south represents the more sophisticated group. Rurul/country people are always more crass and open and blunt whereas the city people/sophisticated people are almost always more elusive and hide everything behind decorum and propriety. It seems the rural mindset/culture of the Isaaq worked for them.

I have seen this used as one reason why Somaliland is relatively more stable than Somalia. The British considered Somaliland a backwater and had zero interference in the colony beyond using it as a shipment of meat to their colony in Aden whereas the Italians, particularly in the trusteeship tried to bring the south heavily to more European notions of society that attacked traditional structures and transplanted the Somali tribal traditional leadership structure for a more political non-traditional leadership structure. When the civil war happened, the Isaaq immediately turned to their tribal structure whereas the south become disorganized because the tribal structures had been delegitimized and the political structures had fallen.

[Saraxnow]

Voltage, did you also know that the Italians treated Southerners in a master-slave relationship? I don't understand how Southern Somalis accepted to being told to have their farms taken-over by white Italians and even have White-only neighborhoods in Xamar?? There were even special uniforms for the Somali workers who had special access into these areas and they were called, if I recall ''Bossoyin''. In their own land, how?

In the North, hardly was a white man seen by the locals. There was an incident where a relative described to me how the local kids chased a white English man for fun and stoned him all the way to his dwelling place.

And how is the only the South Urban and the North Rural? Apart from Xamar Cadeey, were there other places you could find ''urban folks'' ?

[Cinque Mtume]

Voltage, did you also know that the Italians treated Southerners in a master-slave relationship? I don't understand how Southern Somalis accepted to being told to have their farms taken-over by white Italians and even have White-only neighborhoods in Xamar?? There were even special uniforms for the Somali workers who had special access into these areas and they were called, if I recall ''Bossoyin''. In their own land, how?

In the North, hardly was a white man seen by the locals. There was an incident where a relative described to me how the local kids chased a white English man for fun and stoned him all the way to his dwelling place.

And how is the only the South Urban and the North Rural? Apart from Xamar Cadeey, were there other places you could find ''urban folks'' ?

The British decided that their part of Somaliland is only limited to a protectorate, they had no further interest other than secure the passage of their ships through the Gulf of Aden and have the north as a station complementing the more important Aden.

The Italian part of Somaliland however was intended to be a fullfledged colony of Italy, living space for the Italian population. So of course the approach of the Italians was different, more violent and forceful. The south's fertile lands was a curse in this regard.

The fact that the Somali Lands were only on the radar of the European powers as late as the 19th century, while European conquest of the world began centuries before, shows you that the Somali Lands were never attractive to the Europeans in the first place compared to other regions in the third world.

[Voltage]

Somaliland kids are always coming with the most darn things about Italian Somalia. Master/Slave? Are we talking about Somalis here? Farming? Are we talking about the majority nomad cultured Somali here? The only thing I have heard about is the Italian-only neighborhood (Casa Popolare) and I have been told because neither did Somalis want to mix with Italians and nor did the Italians trust to mix with Somalis so that was more the Italian civil servants being protected to live among a sea of Somalis.

The northwest and its culture has always been rural and country based which is I find the notion of Hargeisans calling themselves more "civilized" (in the sophisticated understanding of the term in the world) than the southerners one of those ego-boosting things that also led them to tell their kids they invented the Somali flag (they didn't), they wrote the Somali script (they didn't), etc. The north was very ill-prepared to join the more developed south and this foundation had a lot to do with the modern Somaliland secessionist movement.

[Samatr]

I can't believe people are arguing about who had a better gumaysi, smh.

[Khalid Ali]

Somalilanders say that the first somali flag was raised on their soil

And that the somaliland script was invented by muusa galaal and that is true also the gadabuursi script was invented by ugaaz nuur

[Samatr]

Somaliland kids are always coming with the most darn things about Italian Somalia. Master/Slave? Are we talking about Somalis here? Farming? Are we talking about the majority nomad cultured Somali here? The only thing I have heard about is the Italian-only neighborhood (Casa Popolare) and I have been told because neither did Somalis want to mix with Italians and nor did the Italians trust to mix with Somalis so that was more the Italian civil servants being protected to live among a sea of Somalis.

The northwest and its culture has always been rural and country based which is I find the notion of Hargeisans calling themselves more "civilized" (in the sophisticated understanding of the term in the world) than the southerners one of those ego-boosting things that also led them to tell their kids they invented the Somali flag (they didn't), they wrote the Somali script (they didn't), etc. The north was very ill-prepared to join the more developed south and this foundation had a lot to do with the modern Somaliland secessionist movement.

Waryaa don't come here with some fairy tales, first Somalilanders were country bumpkins and now they were ill-prepared to join the more sophisticated south, just look at the damn country today are you telling me the suave, sophisticated southerners were out did by a bunch of country bumpkins.
waryaa I don't know who lied to you but people from Somaliland have been going to places like sudan, egypt, yemen and in some cases Europe for educational and business purposes before and after colonization.
your a sick guy bro, maybe even worse than the guy that Saraxnow said southerners had a master and slave relationship with the Italians.


Khalid ali

don't say that, country bumpkins are not capable of creating a script; horta was this nigga spoon fed this BS, I hope other people don't carry this mentality or else they will have a heart attack when they see some educated country bumpkins.

[Cinque Mtume]

I think Voltage meant country bumpkins as in culturally, but I agree that Northern Somalis were generally more educated and more well travelled than their Southern counterparts. The fact that Northerners heavily dominated the teaching population of Somalia attests to that.

On the other hand there were groups in Southern Somalia equally sophisticated, such as reer xamar, MJ, Abgaal, Hawadle etc. Their advantage was that the new Somali capital Mogadishu was already their playing field and they engaged in Italian style politics. Northern Somalis were in a state of shock when they entered the Somali Republic, they didn't expect the Somalis of the south to be this crazy.

[Khalid Ali]

Cinque mtumbe did you know Abdirsiaaq Xaji Xusein Somalias former Prime Minister,,almost 90% of all Director generals in his Administration were all reer woqoyis and when asked he said that Reer woqoyis are far more educated than the Koonfurians.

[Cinque Mtume]

Cinque mtumbe did you know Abdirsiaaq Xaji Xusein Somalias former Prime Minister,,almost 90% of all Director generals in his Administration were all reer woqoyis and when asked he said that Reer woqoyis are far more educated than the Koonfurians.

True, not only more educated but also more civilised, because you were used to British style of politics and governance, while Southern Somalis were used to qaabdaradii Talyaaniga like corruption.

That's why Abdirisaq Haji Hussein believed it was important for Northern Somalis to play a larger role in Somalia's government, because he felt Northern Somalis were less corrupt and more principled, which was true.

He was also the one who promoted Siad Barre from Colonel to General and the commander of the Armed Forces when Gen Daud died. Many advised him not to promote Siad Barre, but Abdirisaq is a principled man and Siad Barre was the most qualified candidate for the position.

[Voltage]

And that the somaliland script was invented by muusa galaal

Muuse Galaal was in the 1960's the head of the failed committee that was to choose the script. Muuse Galaal did not write or invent a script. He presided over a failed committee that could not agree on which script to use until the military government took over and made a successful committee that chose on merit.

I mean how more country bumbkin can you get to spin that history to say Muuse galaal "invented" the Somali writing script? That's exactly the sort of ego boosting falsities that have been existent in Hargeisa households.

CinqueMtume, within the southerners, the most convulated historical revision has been done on the MJs and mostly by MJs. I think you struck gold that the generation before Independence, you had a handful of men who were educated in the Italian system and open to Italian ideas that saw an opening for them in the immediate post-independence but before that period and largely after that period, whatever hype existed shattered.