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Postby Saraxnow » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:00 pm



actually all hadiith collectors even from bukhaari, muslim dawood. Muslim all of them native persians. THEY never had so called chain of narrations. SO CALLED chain of narration was nothing more than abtiris from singel person abtiriskiisa.
they say like this, this hadiiths chain of narration is= yalaxoow ibn culusoow ibn hebel hebel hebel ilaa ay abgaal ka garaan. a just singel person thats was their chain. people think when they hear chain like 100 different people throw 250 years of different generation between time of prophet and time of those persian sheikhs like bukhaari and Muslim and daawood. and you have acount tooo they only muslim collected 300 000 hadiiths which he later chose only about 4000.

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Postby ToughGong » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:03 pm

The return of Jesus will be close to the end of time. In fact, his descent will be one of the major signs the final hour is due. The Quran and the hadiths discloses that:
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)

“There is no prophet between me and him (Jesus), and he shall descend. He… will stay in the world for forty years; then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral Prayer for him.” (Abu Dawood, Ahmed)

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:15 pm

The return of Jesus will be close to the end of time. In fact, his descent will be one of the major signs the final hour is due. The Quran and the hadiths discloses that:
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)

“There is no prophet between me and him (Jesus), and he shall descend. He… will stay in the world for forty years; then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral Prayer for him.” (Abu Dawood, Ahmed)

quran 43:62 does not says jesus will come back. its says
And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:17 pm

quraanka tafsiirkiisa :up:
And surely it is indeed knowledge of the Hour; so definitely do not wrangle about it, and closely follow Me. This is a straight Path

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Postby Saraxnow » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:19 pm

The return of Jesus will be close to the end of time. In fact, his descent will be one of the major signs the final hour is due. The Quran and the hadiths discloses that:
“He (the son of Mary) shall be a known sign of the Hour; so have no doubt concerning it and follow Me.” (Quran 43:61)

“There is no prophet between me and him (Jesus), and he shall descend. He… will stay in the world for forty years; then he will die and the Muslims will offer the funeral Prayer for him.” (Abu Dawood, Ahmed)
:up: Correct.

Bal fahamsi that the chain of narrators are not only single abtiris and that it is one person narrating it to another all the way up to the Prophet/Sahabah etc. Each person in the chain is scrutinized as to their trustworthiness, truthfulness, memory etc. and based on that the hadith is given different grades including other criteria such as whether it contradicts the Qu'ran. Each scholar has their own criteria some being strict than others. Also, these scholars traveled to different places to collect them so you would have the same incident reported by a large number of people making it 'Mutawatir' and thus more reliable and strong.Then there are other hadiths which are not as strong and are either designated 'weak, 'fabricated' etc. Tell him this area is called sciences of hadith and it is complex.

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:26 pm

i actually checked so called chain of narration. often chain of narration is a come from a singel person. they say like this.
the chain of narration of this hadiith is from for example . me-dr yalaxoow_ ibn calasoow(my father) ibn dhuxuloow(my grandfather) ibn kuusoow( my grandfathers father) ibn fiiqoow( granfather fathers father) iska soo soco ilaa laga gaaro ASXAABIHII nin ka mid ahoo ahaa my qabiiil great grand father. PURE ABTIRSI.

adiga waxaad moodaa CHAIN OF NARRATION inay tahay from 20 people living 2011. and other 20 people which was living 1930s. and other 20 people lived on 1880s ilaa aad ka gaarto lets say 650 AD.

thats COULD BE STRONG chain of narration from every generation 20 different people. but all hadiiths you know their chain of narration come from SINGEL FROM living like today 2011, and hes father 1960s. and hes granfather 1901, and hes greatgranfather iska sii soco adiga ABTIRSI.

dhamaaan so called chain of narration of hadiith come from ABTIRSI from singel person.

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Postby AbuTuraab » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:28 pm

Like dave chapelle said were's Ja, can somebody get this mf'er so I can make sense of this lol

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Postby ToughGong » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:34 pm


quran 43:62 does not says jesus will come back. its says
And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path
And what sign do you thin Allah (swt) is reffering to,if it ain't his (Jesus') return on earth
Prophet Jesus's (as) descent is one of the Major signs of Yaum al-Qiyama

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:38 pm

still it does not say exactly the word return on the earth. the sign of the hour could be nabi ciise was born whit out father. waa calaamad weeyn. allahu waclam. laakiin still kuma qorna soo noqosho meeshan.

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Postby Saraxnow » Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:46 pm

Ciil imika ihaya.. maba fahmaysid.

This is an example of one hadith:

Narrated from Jaabir ibn ‘Abdullah (ra) and says that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “Two rak‘ahs offered in a turban are better than seventy rak‘ahs without a turban''.
Abu Na‘eem also narrated it from him – and it is through him and from him ad-Daylami received it – moreover its isnaad includes Taariq ibn ‘Abd ar-Rahmaan, whom adh-Dhahabi listed among the da‘eef (weak) narrators. [Btw, this hadith is said to be fabricated]

These are not family. Jabir is a sahabi who reported from the Prophet. From him the second generation passed it on to the next to the next and so on. People memorize and through oral transmission they passed the knowledge.

There are hadiths yes, which have from a chain sahabi to his son to his grandson to the next or to another man, but that does not mean the hadith is weak or fabricated. You can have other chains of narrators that are reporting the same incident.


Yalaxow, you said ahadith is a part of the sunnah. You have read these hadiths which talk about 'Isa returning, why don't you trust them?

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Postby FAH1223 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:03 pm

Yalaxow, Christians believe Nabi Isa died on the cross, but the Qur'an says Nabi Isa did NOT die on the cross. Its Surah Nisa

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

—Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

so he is still alive, just not in this world and will descend at the end of times...this through the will of Allah and the hadiths do not contradict anything

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:10 pm

These are not family. Jabir is a sahabi who reported from the Prophet. From him the second generation passed it on to the next to the next and so on. People memorize and through oral transmission they passed the knowledge.

There are hadiths yes, which have from a chain sahabi to his son to his grandson to the next or to another man, but that does not mean the hadith is weak or fabricated. You can have other chains of narrators that are reporting the same incident.


Yalaxow, you said ahadith is a part of the sunnah. You have read these hadiths which talk about 'Isa returning, why don't you trust them?

bukhaari lived about 200 years after generation of prophet including that sahaabi you called JAAABIR

so called chain of narration is who reported after JAAABIR?
and WHO REPORTED after the man who reported jaabir and after and after and after after of 200 years of generation?

often those chain of narration come from family abtirsi . grand grand grand sons of jaabir ayaa chain of narration ama silsilada dadkii soo wariyey badanaa ay isticmalaaan.

masalan axaadiith waliba wuxuu ka bilaawdaa waxaa soo wariyey ABU HUREYNA ama qof kale AMA HEBEL HEBEL. abu hureyra maaha SILSILADA SOO WARINTA AMA CHAIN OF NARRATION. chain of narration waa dadkiii oo BUKHAARI ka soo qoray axaadiithka. dadkaa halkee ayey ka keeneen axaadiithkaas. magacii qofkii uu ka soo qoran. qofkaa yuuse ka soo qoray isagana and so ON?

bukhaari waa from PERSIA he was not even arab. and all other MAJOR HADIITH COLLECTORS COME FROM PERSIA
daawoood=persian
MUSLIM=persian
tarmidi=persian

dhamaantoodna waxay noolaayeen from 200 years after prophets time to 600 years from prophets time.

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:13 pm

Yalaxow, Christians believe Nabi Isa died on the cross, but the Qur'an says Nabi Isa did NOT die on the cross. Its Surah Nisa

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

—Qur'an, sura 4 (An-Nisa) ayat 157-158

so he is still alive, just not in this world and will descend at the end of times...this through the will of Allah and the hadiths do not contradict anything


no man chrsitians have what they call The resurrection of Jesus whichs Jesus returned to bodily life on the third day following his death by crucifixion.
they believe he come back from death and he was living, and went heaven.
The resurrection of Jesus is the belief that Jesus returned to bodily life on the third day following his death by crucifixion. It is a key element of Christian faith and theology and part of the Nicene Creed: "On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the Scriptures". (The resurrection is not to be confused with the Ascension of Jesus into Heaven after the resurrection).[1][2]

yes christiaanka believe jesus died but they also believe he come back to life.
yes quran is true . and its true that jesus did not died in the cross but you will not find the quran that jesus will come back in to this planet!!

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Postby FAH1223 » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:18 pm

Yalaxow, talk about the Qur'anic ayat I just posted now about some diinta masiixi stuff

Do you believe Nabi Isa died on the cross? If you don't believe he died and Allah SWT saved his messenger, then where is he right now?

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Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:22 pm

did i said THAT i believe that the christian bulshit whichs jesus died in the cross????? i do nooot believe nabi ciise died in the cross. i believe 10000% what quran says whichs he did not died in the cross.

but i do not believe EITHER the other the chrsitians believe whichs not in the quran which says(((( JESUS WILL COME BACK)

FOR ME according the quran. prophet mohamed scw was the last prophet who walked on the planet. there will be no other prophet walking on this planet after maxamed scw has past away.

you will not find in the quran JESUS IS COMING BACK.


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