Toljeclo?

[The_Emperior5]

Oke caynabax zal ik doen

[Cumar-Labasuul]

saraxnow, just to clear up the confusion of HJ it is like this:

Sheikh Isaaq married two women who each gave birth to 4 sons: Magaado gave birth to Abdiraxman (Awal), Ismaciil (Garxajis) Maxamed (Arab) & Ayuub; Xabusho gave birth to Muuse, Ibrahim (Sanbuur), Maxamed (Cibraan) & Axmed (Tol Jecle)

When magaado died Odayga Sh. Isaaq went to his other family and Axmed went with his father to his other brothers (from other bah) that's why he was called tol jecle, whilst his other three brothers (Muuse, Maxamed Cibraan and Ibrahim Sanbuur) chose to stay with their mother hence they were called together Habar Jeclo.
All three of them are called Habar jeclo but because 95% of HJ is from Muuse the name is mostly used for Muuse Sh. Isaaq.
So when someone says HJ they usually mean Muuse Sh. Isaaq.

[abdikarim86]

Is Mikaahil part of Hussein Abokor or are they on their own?

[KingMJ]

Ximanjaale

Habarjeclo is
sanbuur cimran and Muse Bin sheikh isxaaq


Habar xabusheed is when you add toljecle to Habarjeclo

so isaaq did not have 8 sons. cause according to liqaaye, isaaq had 8 sons and two wives and each wive had 4 sons. please explain it clearly every isaaq member are contradicting themselves. This only makes me doubt about the validity of the isaaq tribe, i might question myself and think that isaaq are not somali and they are a union of lost oromo tribe?

Those are still 8 sons whats the confusion?

Are you still in xamar? And how is AsadJSL "project" in mogadishu going with the ethiopians invading soon is he still there?

[abdikarim86]

Siciid .....Pics look amazing, Thanks

[Cumar-Labasuul]

abdikarim, no man makaahil is makaahil isxaaq and xuseen is xuseen abokor isxaaq. Have you heard labada abokor (JB and XA) iyo adeerkood

[XimanJaale]

Ximaanjaale isaaq had 8 sons 4 By 4 Habr magaadle and habar xabuusheed

3 Sons of Sheikh isxaaq are Called Habarjeclo why because Sheikh isxaaq returned from Mecca some where in the 13 century when he returned From Mecca and arrived he asked where are my sons and his sons approached him and welcomed him Musa Bin Sheikh isxaaq and Maxamamd Bin Sheikh isxaaq welcomed him after sitting with his sons he asked where is Axmed and than His other brothers replied Axmed went to galbeed and lives now with the Garxajis and Arab and Ayub. And sheikh isxaaq said hathaa Axmed Toljecl, Wa antum Habr jecel since they stayed with their mother Habar xabusheed in Xiis. That's why

so ur saying habar jecel is a nickname for 3 of isaaq sons? so habar jecel is not a sub-clan of isaaq. Wallahi ur confusing me more. So why are isaaq members saying that cibraan and sanbuur are sub-clan of habar jecel?

[XimanJaale]

Ximaanjaale isaaq had 8 sons 4 By 4 Habr magaadle and habar xabuusheed

3 Sons of Sheikh isxaaq are Called Habarjeclo why because Sheikh isxaaq returned from Mecca some where in the 13 century when he returned From Mecca and arrived he asked where are my sons and his sons approached him and welcomed him Musa Bin Sheikh isxaaq and Maxamamd Bin Sheikh isxaaq welcomed him after sitting with his son he asked where is Axmed and than His other brothers replied Axmed went to galbeed and lives now with the Garxajis and Arab and Ayub. And sheikh isxaaq said hathaa Axmed Toljecl, Wa antum Habr jecel since they stayed with their mother Habar xabusheed in Xiis. That's why

Verspil je tijd niet die vent is een hopeloos geval, helaas maar waar.

waroom mag iek niet iets veraagen? is it crime to seek information? quit insulting people...or u afraid of the countless contradiction of ur isaaq members are telling me?

[abdikarim86]

abdikarim, no man makaahil is makaahil isxaaq and xuseen is xuseen abokor isxaaq. Have you heard labada abokor (JB and XA) iyo adeerkood

I had an inkling but for some strange reason I always assumed Mikaahiil were Hussein Abokor.

So its JB HB Mikaahiil, Who form Isaxaaq Sacad Muuse?
I'm assuming there are others, probably small?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

abdikarim, no man makaahil is makaahil isxaaq and xuseen is xuseen abokor isxaaq. Have you heard labada abokor (JB and XA) iyo adeerkood

I had an inkling but for some strange reason I always assumed Mikaahiil were Hussein Abokor.

So its JB HB Mikaahiil, Who form Isaxaaq Sacad Muuse?
I'm assuming there are others, probably small?

yeah we have cabdalle abokor who live in allaybaday as HQ and ugaadh abkor who are nearly extinct and yeesif isxaaq (who are reer liibaan and reer cabane) and maxamed isaxaaq but only abokor isxaaq and makahil isaxaaq have large enough numbers

[Saraxnow]

Thanks Cumar Interesting chain of events.

[accident]

Ximaanjaale isaaq had 8 sons 4 By 4 Habr magaadle and habar xabuusheed

3 Sons of Sheikh isxaaq are Called Habarjeclo why because Sheikh isxaaq returned from Mecca some where in the 13 century when he returned From Mecca and arrived he asked where are my sons and his sons approached him and welcomed him Musa Bin Sheikh isxaaq and Maxamamd Bin Sheikh isxaaq welcomed him after sitting with his son he asked where is Axmed and than His other brothers replied Axmed went to galbeed and lives now with the Garxajis and Arab and Ayub. And sheikh isxaaq said hathaa Axmed Toljecl, Wa antum Habr jecel since they stayed with their mother Habar xabusheed in Xiis. That's why

Verspil je tijd niet die vent is een hopeloos geval, helaas maar waar.

Maybe next time you will PM him.

[ManD333q]

Ximaanjaale isaaq had 8 sons 4 By 4 Habr magaadle and habar xabuusheed

3 Sons of Sheikh isxaaq are Called Habarjeclo why because Sheikh isxaaq returned from Mecca some where in the 13 century when he returned From Mecca and arrived he asked where are my sons and his sons approached him and welcomed him Musa Bin Sheikh isxaaq and Maxamamd Bin Sheikh isxaaq welcomed him after sitting with his son he asked where is Axmed and than His other brothers replied Axmed went to galbeed and lives now with the Garxajis and Arab and Ayub. And sheikh isxaaq said hathaa Axmed Toljecl, Wa antum Habr jecel since they stayed with their mother Habar xabusheed in Xiis. That's why

Verspil je tijd niet die vent is een hopeloos geval, helaas maar waar.

waroom mag iek niet iets veraagen? is it crime to seek information? quit insulting people...or u afraid of the countless contradiction of ur isaaq members are telling me?

[CaynabaX]

Ximaanjaale isaaq had 8 sons 4 By 4 Habr magaadle and habar xabuusheed

3 Sons of Sheikh isxaaq are Called Habarjeclo why because Sheikh isxaaq returned from Mecca some where in the 13 century when he returned From Mecca and arrived he asked where are my sons and his sons approached him and welcomed him Musa Bin Sheikh isxaaq and Maxamamd Bin Sheikh isxaaq welcomed him after sitting with his son he asked where is Axmed and than His other brothers replied Axmed went to galbeed and lives now with the Garxajis and Arab and Ayub. And sheikh isxaaq said hathaa Axmed Toljecl, Wa antum Habr jecel since they stayed with their mother Habar xabusheed in Xiis. That's why

Verspil je tijd niet die vent is een hopeloos geval, helaas maar waar.

waroom mag iek niet iets veraagen? is it crime to seek information? quit insulting people...or u afraid of the countless contradiction of ur isaaq members are telling me?

The point is you are too dumb to understand that Cimraan, Sanbuur and Muse are 3 direct sons of Shaykh Isxaaq and together they form a subclan of Isaaq called Habar Jeclo. How f-king hard is that to understand?

[Saraxnow]

Alxamdulilah, Allah has actually not made me as slow as ximan lol