Probably the worst comment I've read on here

[Based]

lol, aren't they the same blessed leaders that authorized Americans to use bases in their country to wage war against another Muslim nation?

A Somali disagrees with your particular stance on something = Kaafir

Saudi Arabia lets gaalos to bomb Muslims from their country = I Saudi Arabia

I don't care, I am not allowed to critisize the rulers. This is not the way of the Prophet. this is the way of khawaarij and takfiris. God bless the rulers

Do not lie about the Prophet sxb. Are you claiming that the Prophet said to follow the rulers despite clear evidence of haram actions?

Does not the Qur'an say: O you who have believed! Do not take the Jews and the Christians for your allies: they are but allies of one another and whoever of you allies himself with them becomes, verily, one of them; behold, God does not guide people who are unjust. (Quran 5:51)

If the ruler's actions are clearly against the very word of God, how can we follow them? You claimed before that you would disobey your own parents if they were to force you to sin, yet you wouldn't do the same against rulers and so called clerics legitimizing what Allah has said is haram?

[Keyblade]

You claimed before that you would disobey your own parents if they were to force you to sin, yet you wouldn't do the same against rulers and so called clerics legitimizing what Allah has said is haram?

this.

inb4 'well uh, just leave me alone this is the last time i respond to you'

[grandpakhalif]

Based the scholars of Saudi have already explained this, it is not haram for the ruler to do so if its for the advantage of the muslims. For example Sh. Ibn Baz already told us that it is allowed if their benefit for the muslims and he said Saddam Hussein is a kaafir so we don't defend him, only khaarijis abuse this ayaat and take it out of context

[Based]

Based the scholars of Saudi have already explained this, it is not haram for the ruler to do so if its for the advantage of the muslims. For example Sh. Ibn Baz already told us that it is allowed if their benefit for the muslims and he said Saddam Hussein is a kaafir so we don't defend him, only khaarijis abuse this ayaat and take it out of context

Of course they're going to say that, they're part of the Saudi elite and have a vested interest in propping up the Saudi regime. Their only role is to legitimize the Saudi regime.

Secondly, how can you possibly say the 1991 American invasion of Iraq benefits Muslims while simultaneously condemning the 2003 American invasion of Iraq? You proclaim takfir on people who disagree with you over trivial matters, yet now you're defending the Saudi regime and the Americans?

lol, I think you've just become a neocon.

[grandpakhalif]

Insulting the Kibar-Ulema now? This discussion is over.

[SultanOrder]

But Grandpa, Saddam only invaded Kuwait and never attacked Saudi Arabia. He was only mad because Kuwait was illegally pumping oil from Iraq oil Reserves through cheating means. Kuwait was being dishonest and therefore needed to be dealt with. If the Saudi's saw Saddam as dishonest why did they treat him so well, and even gave him a gold AK?

[Keyblade]

Of course they're going to say that, they're part of the Saudi elite and have a vested interest in propping up the Saudi regime. Their only role is to legitimize the Saudi regime.

Secondly, how can you possibly say the 1991 American invasion of Iraq benefits Muslims while simultaneously condemning the 2003 American invasion of Iraq? You proclaim takfir on people who disagree with you over trivial matters, yet now you're defending the Saudi regime and the Americans?

lol, I think you've just become a neocon.

i don't get it, what's insulting about this post?

[Alphanumeric]

Lol @ this thread. Clearly my post was ignored.

keyblade aka Commander

whats your problem



come at me bro

Hahahaha... ah man...

Gramps, you've proven several times that you've got some humour to you. Use it more often akh. This is the internet. Nothing here is sacred, unfortunately. Don't hurt yourself trying to be a martyr for views that you yourself haven't come up with. You're going to look back on this, and regret it. And I'm positive that will be much sooner than you think.

Think of it like this walaal. If you yourself cannot provide ayaat, hadeeth, and the direct shahr of both, to support every claim you've made, then what are you sharing? Words of some dudes? Cause in the end, scholar or not, da'ee or not, that's all they are; men. Don't allow men to fetter your mind. Take from the deen what will help you most immediately, and leave discussions that will not.

And lay off the weed. It ain't good for ya
(take the joke and leave it)