EU tells Kenya, we will not tolerate "Mixed agenda" from you

[Coeus]

VISITING European Union special representative for the horn of Africa yesterday spelled out terms on which the bloc will continue funding an expanded African Union Mission in Somalia, which will now include Kenya Defence Forces.

Alexander Rondos, who is barely a month in office, told journalists in Nairobi yesterday that the EU wants to see a concrete and fundamental shift towards the stability of Somalia in the course of this year.

The representative who was accompanied by EU's ambassador to Somalia Georges-Marc Andre said EU will neither tolerate a “mixed agenda” approach to the Somalia crisis nor condone those who have, over time, proved themselves stumbling blocks to peace in the country.

"There must be clarity of purpose and efficient delivery on the part of those engaged in Somalia. Deadlines on road to stability should no longer be extended.

“It is important to say that the EU is a political being; its not simply a provider of cash. It is essential to see that all that money spent on Somalia is properly accounted for to the European taxpayers, this investment must pay off,” he said.

Since 2007, the EU has spent 307 million euros (approximately Sh30 billion) in funding Amisom, set to end in July this year. The union is currently planning for another round of funding of an enhanced Amisom whose costs, Rondos said, will go up.

He said there cannot be a business-as-usual approach to Somalia and expressed optimism that the upcoming London conference on Somalia in July will help the country transition to “some viable political system”.

“We must get it either right or wrong sometimes this year. There will be a tipping point this time round. I understand politics involved but there must come a point in time when this goes beyond to the next level,”he said.

He said EU will not impose any system in Somalia though. The Somali people themselves will be encouraged to identify a system they can trust as well as the people to run them on their behalf.


Commenting specifically on the KDF involvement in Somalia, Rondos said the offensive has some potentially positive outcomes. He said Al Shabaab must be defeated either militarily like Kenya is seeking or politically.

Of Kenyan demand that it be given leeway to command its own troops even within Amisom, Rondos said this is a “natural debate” and expressed optimism that some agreement will be made in this regard.

“In technical terms, its all about command and control. Its a natural debate and an AU discussion. I am sure a satisfactory solution will be obtained,” he said.

[gurey25]

This should be addressed to Ethiopia Kenya is a wannabe,
they have not even come close to causing 5% of the problems in somalia.

[Coeus]

This should be addressed to Ethiopia Kenya is a wannabe,
they have not even come close to causing 5% of the problems in somalia.

Kenya is far more worse, since it planned the Azania project in the beggining, so that is what EU was refering to.

[union]

If they wish to remove the "stumbling blocks to peace" then they should sanction and punish the personalities behind the strife in Somalia. Where is that Hague court when you need it? Why haven't they gone after people like Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo and Abdullahi Yusuf and Morgan? It seems to be the EU makes useless pronouncements that don't amount to anything, fockin media whores.

[gurey25]

What has siilanyo done?
he has done nothing at all, zero

This is 2012, do you think that they do not have full access to all the events in Buhodle , and the Khatumo business in the state department.
What they see is that Siilanyo has done a good job of keeping this situation from getting out of control and working hard to minimize civilian casualties and unnecessary deaths.
He even fired the last general because he wanted to escalate.

[Coeus]

What has siilanyo done?
he has done nothing at all, zero

This is 2012, do you think that they do not have full access to all the events in Buhodle , and the Khatumo business in the state department.
What they see is that Siilanyo has done a good job of keeping this situation from getting out of control and working hard to minimize civilian casualties and unnecessary deaths.
He even fired the last general because he wanted to escalate.

What the hell are you talking about. Siilanyo just declared war on buhoodle

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[union]

gurey my friend, the fact that siilanyo planned and executed an attack against a city which did not want to be apart of his administration and in the process killed and injured tens of civilians just in the Buudhole fiasco alone is grounds enough for his prosecution under international law.

[gurey25]

Its completely blown out of proportion.
He has tried to use mostly dhulbahante SL soldiers , and he has kept his forces outside the city.
All the skirmishes are actually reer buhoodle comming out and attacking the surrounding SL troops.

reer buhoodle initiate nearly all the engagements while SL troops sit there, by order of Siilanyo.
Just read all their websites, they are proud of this.
This should look like weakness, and lack of direction from the Somaliland side.
and this policy pisses of Isaaq, and hurts Siilanyo politically.

but instead you make Somaliland look like an evil attacker that is deliberately attacking a city and causing civilian casualties.

[union]

Its completely blown out of proportion.
He has tried to use mostly dhulbahante SL soldiers , and he has kept his forces outside the city.
All the skirmishes are actually reer buhoodle comming out and attacking the surrounding SL troops.

reer buhoodle initiate nearly all the engagements while SL troops sit there, by order of Siilanyo.
Just read all their websites, they are proud of this.
This should look like weakness, and lack of direction from the Somaliland side.
and this policy pisses of Isaaq, and hurts Siilanyo politically.

but instead you make Somaliland look like an evil attacker that is deliberately attacking a city and causing civilian casualties.

Why is SL attacking Buhoodle in the first place? You yourself readily admit that the citizens of that city do not want SL there and are actively resisting it, so why are you there? You cannot say that it is apart of SL, because legally that is a null and void point and has been since the 1960's. if I were a lawyer, I could easily argue that Siilanyo is a tribal warlord who usurped power during a period of internal chaos and diverted humanitarian aid money into raising militias for the purpose of attacking neighboring tribes.

[gurey25]

lucky for all of us, you are not a lawyer and there is no legal argument here.
Here is a leader of a sovereign state dealing with secessionist.

instead of behaving like your relative the previous dictator of somalia,
he is following a policy of moderation and leaving the door open for talks.

[union]

lucky for all of us, you are not a lawyer and there is no legal argument here.
Here is a leader of a sovereign state dealing with secessionist.

instead of behaving like your relative the previous dictator of somalia,
he is following a policy of moderation and leaving the door open for talks.

Gurey stop trolling me man

[Goljano Lion]

Its completely blown out of proportion.
He has tried to use mostly dhulbahante SL soldiers , and he has kept his forces outside the city.
All the skirmishes are actually reer buhoodle comming out and attacking the surrounding SL troops.

reer buhoodle initiate nearly all the engagements while SL troops sit there, by order of Siilanyo.
Just read all their websites, they are proud of this.
This should look like weakness, and lack of direction from the Somaliland side.
and this policy pisses of Isaaq, and hurts Siilanyo politically.

but instead you make Somaliland look like an evil attacker that is deliberately attacking a city and causing civilian casualties.

Why is SL attacking Buhoodle in the first place? You yourself readily admit that the citizens of that city do not want SL there and are actively resisting it, so why are you there? You cannot say that it is apart of SL, because legally that is a null and void point and has been since the 1960's. if I were a lawyer, I could easily argue that Siilanyo is a tribal warlord who usurped power during a period of internal chaos and diverted humanitarian aid money into raising militias for the purpose of attacking neighboring tribes.

Son, proofread and edit what you wrote, what the phok are you trying to convey, you don’t make any sense at all

[gurey25]

Definition of SOVEREIGN
1
a : one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty
b : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere
c : an acknowledged leader :

thern there is Defacto and Dejure

De jure and de facto

De jure, or legal, sovereignty concerns the expressed and institutionally recognised right to exercise control over a territory.

De facto, or actual, sovereignty is concerned with whether control in fact exists. Cooperation and respect of the populace; control of resources in, or moved into, an area; means of enforcement and security; and ability to carry out various functions of state all represent measures of de facto sovereignty. When control is practiced predominately by military or police force it is considered coercive sovereignty.

It is generally held that sovereignty requires not only the legal right to exercise power, but the actual exercise of such power. Thus, de jure sovereignty without de facto sovereignty has limited recognition.


i knew that Sovereignty would get you going at it.

[union]

Definition of SOVEREIGN
1
a : one possessing or held to possess supreme political power or sovereignty
b : one that exercises supreme authority within a limited sphere
c : an acknowledged leader :

thern there is Defacto and Dejure

De jure and de facto

De jure, or legal, sovereignty concerns the expressed and institutionally recognised right to exercise control over a territory.

De facto, or actual, sovereignty is concerned with whether control in fact exists. Cooperation and respect of the populace; control of resources in, or moved into, an area; means of enforcement and security; and ability to carry out various functions of state all represent measures of de facto sovereignty. When control is practiced predominately by military or police force it is considered coercive sovereignty.

It is generally held that sovereignty requires not only the legal right to exercise power, but the actual exercise of such power. Thus, de jure sovereignty without de facto sovereignty has limited recognition.


i knew that Sovereignty would get you going at it.

I knew you might come from it from the de jure/de facto sovereignty angle, but your argument still falls flat. You may make this argument successfully in the triangle which the Issaq tribe inhabits, but with regards to other areas especially SSC territory such as Buhoodle it is not cogent. The people of those areas have made it clear that they do not wish to be dominated by the Issaq and its bogus SL state, and they have reaffirmed their commitment to staying apart of the Republic of Somalia and have successfully fought back attempts by SL to infringe upon their wishes.

[Voltage]

Gurey has got to be the biggest Somaliland troll in this forum.