Terrorist Tayyip Erdogan undermines secular constitution

[Shirib]

You have Ina Mohamed Abdullah Hassan as your avatar and ass licking a secular idoit.

Union is a somali nationalist like Hero Abdullah Hassan and thats what matters

I hate wahabi terrorists like you Somalia is built on Suufi Islam which is pro progess and pro-devolpment.

Fuck to Saudi Arabia

The Sayyid was fighting for Islam, if he lived today they'd call him a wahaabi terrorist

[union]

Hmm? So you're saying you don't mind how they blow you up, decapitate your arms, behead and whip your people so long as they pray to Mecca? Well let me tell you, I pray to Mecca too but I don't do any of that. And why would I be socially rejected by Somalii people? Most Somali politicians are secular, like your now beloved Sheik lip sticks who shed his khamis and turban for a suit to gain legitimacy and Faroole, Siilanyo and MSB before them. Secularism has been with Somalia since the start, and will continue to be with Somalia. This Islamist extremist nonsense is what is new and foreign to the land.

Your question is very strange. I haven't said anything like that.

Do you even know what secular means? Somalia is not a secular state, and none of the regions are either.

It's obvious you don't know what secular means. Any place not run on religion is secular. Puntland, Somaliland, Galmudug what have you, are all secular. The TFG is a UN puppet and is mostly secular, and shiek lip sticks is also secular because he doesn't derive his legitimacy to rule from God or the Qu'ran but from Mahiga and Ban Ki Moon.

[union]

The secular turks make up less than 25% of the population. and they have been lording it over everyone else since attaturk..
no longer really, since the 1909 Young Turk coup.
The top leadership of the Young turks were "secularists"
and the 3 leaders in charge were all atheists.

The turks are back in control of their own lives.

may allah guide them back to greatness.

Stop spreading lies about great Turkey, kulaha 25%....where in the heck did you get that low number from? From my own estimates it's at least 50%. The only reason Erodgan won the election is because of a population explosion among the slum dwellers and the peasantry and the generally uneducated and poor folk who vote based on religion and not reason.

The Turkish secularist really are the lions of the world, more so than France, because they have their religious extremists fighting for the right to wear hijab or attend madrassha
.....they'll be fighting for the basics for the next century so they won't ever have time to go for any major islamist agenda

It depends on your interpretation of "Secular"

my defenition of "secular" is kaafir, one who is against Islam and fight it.
The vast majority of turks are not kafiirs.

im basing my number on the population of alevis and decendents of dombe sect.
they make up about 20% of the population.

and the 3% of turks that have claimed to not believe in god in the last annonymous poll.

The rest of the poopulation may look very secular, they may drink, the women may wear western cloths,
but they do not hate and fight islam like you do.

Your "definition" of secularism is incorrect, and like you admit something you made up.
The goal of secularism is not to fight or destroy religion but to regulate it so it doesn't fight and destroy society. I'm sure we can all agree that religion needs to be regulated, because while extremism in general is bad religious extremism is explosive (no pun intended). The people of Turkey have thrived under the secular and democratic society that great Mustafa Kemal Ataturk established, and they are free to drink and wear western clothes like you said only because of the rights provided to them by the secular revolution. To keep those rights in place for posterity, Islam must be regulated to ensure moderation and stamp out any sign of wahabi/salafi influences. The parties of God must also be reminded that the moment they dare move to limit the freedoms of others is the moment they will stop existing.

[Khalid Ali]

if we have to follow unions assessment in order to fight against Extremism we should leave our Islamic beliefs and embrace secularism which in reality is denouncing allahs Laws. Islam gives you rights to live as a devoted Muslim in a Muslim society i want my daughter to wear a headscarf if she goes to university i want to hear the Muadin the call for prayers (Salaat). One cannot leave his religion in order to please non Muslims or Non Muslim countries we were muslims for centuries and we will be muslims till Yawmil Qiyaama and Muslims will fight to live as Muslims every where in the World. Good on Tayiib Edorgan the Mujahid
Mohammad Abdullah hassan was a follower of Saalihiya Saalihiya order is very close to Salafism Mohammad Bin Salah was the founder of the Saalixiya order. If Mohhammad abdullah hassan was alive today he would've joined with Alshabaab

[union]

khalid ali, you know in Somalialnd your daughter is liable to be groped by German perverts or see her relatives passed out on khat in the streets. Why doesn't the Somaliland government do anything about this?

[Khalid Ali]

Union secular system = is denouncing the Laws of Allah no amount of Personal attacks can change that i know u love it because it gives u freedom according 2 you're deen one can be a muslim and at the same time a Homosexual.

[original dervish]

Somalis can be like lab rats. lets find a system of governance that will prevent them from devouring each other, and end the general mayhem in somali society.
personally, I support the neo colonialism mapped out at the London conference.

[union]

Union secular system = is denouncing the Laws of Allah no amount of Personal attacks can change that i know u love it because it gives u freedom according 2 you're deen one can be a muslim and at the same time a Homosexual.

In your last post you were saying one should never please non-Muslims, but yet you are the number 1 promoter of Somaliland, a "country" dedicated solely to pleasing Europeans, sexually and otherwise. First your claims are based on colonial borders, second they abuse your women and then you let them go, and third you lay flowers on the graves of dead colonial soldiers.... can you tell me why reer iddor have such a warped intellect?

[union]

Somalis can be like lab rats. lets find a system of governance that will prevent them from devouring each other, and end the general mayhem in somali society.
personally, I support the neo colonialism mapped out at the London conference.

Somalis need an iron fist secular dictator

[Khalid Ali]

No one is pleasing the Europeans i don't like their Laws even in Europe where i live i want sharia law here in Europe and you are talking about Somaliland a Muslim nation i have stated before i Want more sharia Laws in Somaliland in the Afro Hashimiate state as our flag represents the holy words of Islam. i want Mullahs ,Fiqh experts to be included into our Upper Parliament system of Somaliland instead of only the guurti elders.
So lets not make this about Somaliland or iidoor i know they run around you're mind every second but lets stick to the topic which is Turkey is throwing that secular constitution in the bin and that is something we should all welcome as Muslims long live Mujahid Tayyip erdogan and his AK party

[union]

No one is pleasing the Europeans i don't like their Laws even in Europe where i live i want sharia law here in Europe and you are talking about Somaliland a Muslim nation i have stated before i Want more sharia Laws in Somaliland in the Afro Hashimiate state as our flag represents the holy words of Islam. i want Mullahs ,Fiqh experts to be included into our Upper Parliament system of Somaliland instead of only the guurti elders.
So lets not make this about Somaliland or iidoor i know they run around you're mind every second but lets stick to the topic which is Turkey is throwing that secular constitution in the bin and that is something we should all welcome as Muslims long live Mujahid Tayyip erdogan and his AK party

The reality on the ground is that somaliland is doing everything to please Europeans, and when you post those rambling incoherent condemnations against pleasing "gaalo" while at the same time being the forums foremost cheerleader for all things somaliland, you clarify yourself as a fool and hypocrite.

If you are so hell bent against the West and secularism, I expect you to denounce Somaliland for not implementing shariah, for being ruled by a democratically elected president and nor an emir, for allowing prostitution and drug use, for basing its political legitimacy on gaalo colonial borders, and so on.....but of course you will not do any of that because you are a partisan hypocrite who only gives lip service to religion

[union]

Also, another thing, I don't understand why the Islamic deceleration of faith is on the flag of Somaliland. I can understand why Iran has "Allah is great" on its flag because it claims to be an Islamic Republic, but Somaliland hasn't even made such a deceleration. I think you should remove that deceleration from your flag, as it embarrasses everybody that a flag flying over the world's largest druggie zone carries the Muslim deceleration of faith, and you should replace it with something a bit more appropriate to your situation like: ingiriis cadoow ! caadil baa tahaye, ictiraafka bixi.

[Khalid Ali]

Somaliland is already a Muslim Sharia country the Mosque and government are not two separate groupings in Somaliland the state religion is Islam you cannot built a church a Synagogue and no one can you cannot preach Christianity in Somaliland The Grand sheikhs of Somaliland have a say in Politics in our Country heck even during the rebellion against Somalia in the 80s Sheikhs were chairmains of our SNM. Perhaps you cant read arabic but Somaliland flag says Laaa ilaaah illaha Muhammadanrasuullah which means there is no god but allah and Muhammad is his messenger. Islam is not against electing you're leaders what we are against is freedom of insulting one's religion we don't want other religions in our society we don't want atheists all that filth is not welcome. Not every society is perfect but our job is to work ourselves up on to that great level of Pure Islamism. So i will support Somaliland its people its country its Mosques the Mullahs of Somaliland. So Union what we do not want is how things are in Europe or America we want to eat only Hallaal meat we want islamic banking we want islamic universities etc

[daiman]

The our very secularist jihadist unionist in jihad with a bunch of wahabist islamist snetters. All the power to you man, we need one person who can unite the rest of SOmalis. Stay there and togather(without caln division) will be fighting you

Had no idea you were such secularist? just thought you were a bit derailed Man, I was thinking to date you under the Somali flag....you broke my heart

[Shirib]

union,

are you against having dugsi quran in other countries or just in Turkey?