Puntland VS Matt Bryden

[gurey25]

the government.
it used to be 60% of the governments budget a few years ago, now its 25%

[Zuluc]

but where does a poor un-regonized government getting the money from?, let us say every soldier gets 100 doller per month that is going to be very expensive for 20000, but well done

Its so sad Somalia is not even able to pay for 10 troops salaries

[gurey25]

Taxes and port fees.
But seriously its not about money its about government.
Somalia can afford 3 times that number but it cannot pay the salaries of the current army.
This is because there was no real government and people in government believe that the salaries belong in their offshore accounts and not with the soldiers.

[Zuluc]

The Walaweyn leaders are animals how the fuck can they steal 130 million us dollar and not being able to pat for atleast 5000 salaries in the army ?

[Grant]

http://wardheernews.com/Articles_12/Jul ... flict.html

Abdul Ghelleh blames Bryden and a small group of mostly Western expats living in Nairobi for fueling the conflict in Somalia over the past 21 years. Check out his reasons.

" In my researches in the early years of the conflict and occasionally at present, I blamed the Ethiopians for having their own national interest in the Somalia conflict. And increasingly recently I suspected the Saudis and their teachings of Wahabi Islam. Often I would debate with friends and even with myself about the reasons for the Ethiopians or the Saudis wanting to sustain the conflict in Somalia. Both are close to us; one being our immediate neighbour and the other, our favourite destination for Hajj, shopping and work.

This past fortnight however, I took far too closer look at Somalia, Ethiopia and the nearby Saudi Arabian peninsula. And when the bell did not ring in any of these places, I suddenly, like Albert Einstein discovering Matter and Energy, found a single Canadian culprit who strategically positioned himself in the suburbs of Nairobi, Kenya. I made a substantial discovery towards the conflict resolution programmes for Somalia.

I zeroed in my investigation to small group of mainly Western expats in Nairobi. But the person who is partly responsible for much of the chaos and the unrest in Somalia over the past 21 years is none other than Mr Matt Bryden from Toronto, Canada. He worked for the Brussels-based the International Crisis Group before joining the United Nations, and he is married to Ubah (her exact Somali family name unknown at the time of writing) who originally came from North-Western Somalia (Somaliland)."

[gurey25]

You dont take this seriously do you grant?
A single westerner ?
Somalis really like to blame others for their problem.

[Grant]

Gurey,

I take it semi-seriously. I know it's more complicated than this simplistic story, BUT..... we have an individual similar to Bryden in the FOS group, married to a Kenyan and who maintains a house in Nairobi. He taught at Sheekh and later worked for the UN in Somalia and the Sudan. He agrees with everything the Heritage Foundation Folks, Weinstein, Pham, etc, have to say, much of which I believe originates with this group in Nairobi. If you control the available information, you can control opinion and policy. One lousy white dude in the wrong position can mislead an entire generation worth of UN and IC leaders, which appears to be what has happened here. Ouch and double ouch. At least he's been replaced and disgraced. That group of American scholars needs a new source of information.

[SahanGalbeed]

You dont take this seriously do you grant?
A single westerner ?
Somalis really like to blame others for their problem.

x2
Mahiga allegedly had a somali wife from Somaliland too .
These people if you tell a truth that bothers them , they'll attack you in the most vile form .

[Transformer]

Gurey,

I take it semi-seriously. I know it's more complicated than this simplistic story, BUT..... we have an individual similar to Bryden in the FOS group, married to a Kenyan and who maintains a house in Nairobi. He taught at Sheekh and later worked for the UN in Somalia and the Sudan. He agrees with everything the Heritage Foundation Folks, Weinstein, Pham, etc, have to say, much of which I believe originates with this group in Nairobi. If you control the available information, you can control opinion and policy. One lousy white dude in the wrong position can mislead an entire generation worth of UN and IC leaders, which appears to be what has happened here. Ouch and double ouch. At least he's been replaced and disgraced. That group of American scholars needs a new source of information.

This

[SahanGalbeed]

Grant let me follow your logic here and ask you a question if I may .
You and your friends in the FOS made a statement that aroused the anger of the daarod in this place back when you said you supported Somaliland in gaining its independence .
Are you all either married or "influenced" by women from Somaliland too ?
It is very insulting what the daarod imply , I am not gonna either react or retaliate but time will tell , if you 're still here I hope you remember what I am telling you today

The majeerten told us they had oil in Puntland and were about to get rich as well , we all believed them

[Grant]

Sahan,

The FOS piece was a DRAFT statement by two individuals who were way out of touch with current circumstances. And they had been reading way too much Weinstein. I kept posting news pieces from here on the Khaatumo situation, the scandals and the media suppression in SL, and the statement went away. It was never sent to any government agency. I have continued to keep the group informed and there is no new attempt in the works to influence US policy. I am personally pro-Union. I posted the draft here to get ammunition to fight the statement.

[SahanGalbeed]

sorry , I got you friend of khaatumo .

[AbdiWahab252]

Grant,

Keep up the good work ! Getting a diverse set of opinions is key to formulating productive US policy towards Somalia. Too often, there has been an over reliance on a few Western experts in the region with strong biases who don't present all views and instead are involved in the oversimplification and stereotyping of Somalis with tragic results: Collapse of the Central Government, the botched UNOSOM II war, the Collapse of the UIC, Ethiopian Occupation, etc.

Sahan,

Are you making him an offer

[Grant]

I am saying two individuals were trying to get the group to do something I disagreed with. I opposed their position and got the group to drop the idea of trying to influence US policy. The individual I said was like Bryden, is still like Bryden. The authors of the draft have moderated their positions considerably. There is no effort similar to the draft in the works. We are mostly just watching with interest.

[SahanGalbeed]

AW , you carry the shoes of the majeerten who call you their slave . I am all for political integration between the majeerten and the sacd , I have been the first to call for it here but true to your nature you took it up a notch .
Grant just said that he doesn't really know what he is talking about , can't hate him for that
Had you been a God fearing man , I'd prolly laugh with you , but you're nothing but a ho' yourself