rebuilding kismayo

[Kismaayo21]

@Guhad - Kismaayo will not take orders from Muqdisho, but will take orders from Nairobi? Am I reading this right? You want Kismaayo's decisions to be decided for you by the same Kenyans who oppress our people, but not by Somalia's president? Even though Kismaayo & Muqdisho are both part of the same country, whereas Nairobi isn't? War ileen tanoo kalena weey jirtay. Isku noqo saaxiib, waxaan waa ceeb. Hassan Sheikh is a reasonable man, it's in everyone's interest to form an independent, all inclusive administration, free from Kenya's meddling, no honor in being somebody's b!tch.

I am all for creating an administration that is fair and balanced in those regions but did this nygga just say we will take orders from fuking bantus and not our GOVERNMENT? the problem is wuu isla fiicanyahay and its not only him kawaran. I dont care how much our new president is against forming jubbaland but I would never choose foreign power over my own because of disagreement. Funny how somalis rationalize dhabodhalifnimo, its ok aslong as they have our clan interest in heart but if they dont they're the enemy lol

I feel the same way, My president is the Somali guy in Mogadishu, not a bantu in nairobi, I support this current government, but even if i didnt i rather take orders from them instead of gaal bantu, No honour in being some1's servant

[Anarchist]

@Advo - The President hasn't even said he's opposed to Jubbaland, all he said when asked about this issue is he wants an all inclusive administration for the Jubbas. I'm not sure what people expect out of the man? He obviously can't accept the ridiculous Jubbaland/Azania nonsense that was created by men who were never born in the region, in Kenya of all places. He wants all the excluded & shunned clans to be included this time and for a meeting to take place within the country, and from thereon a more genuine administration to be formed. You can't sideline clans like Cawrmale, Sheikhaal, Reer Gosha, Tuni, Baajuun, Jejeele, Gaaljecel, Jiidle, Biyamaal, Harti, etc and expect for the President of the nation to accept it. It does not work that way. He also does not want the region to serve as a Kenyan buffer zone, he's trying to have some control over what is happening. Soomaali talo faro kuma heyso, we're all pieces of a chess game. Kenya's involvement is not without a purpose. Hassan Sheikh sees this and is trying to exercise whatever executive power he has in letting them know the region will not be annexed, thus why Kenyan troops & their Somali foot soldiers have been refused to enter Kismaayo. There's a power struggle going on from what I'm sensing. We'll see though.

[AmalJaber]

@Advo - The President hasn't even said he's opposed to Jubbaland, all he said when asked about this issue is he wants an all inclusive administration for the Jubbas. I'm not sure what people expect out of the man? He obviously can't accept the ridiculous Jubbaland/Azania nonsense that was created by men who were never born in the region, in Kenya of all places. He wants all the excluded & shunned clans to be included this time and for a meeting to take place within the country, and from thereon a more genuine administration to be formed. You can't sideline clans like Cawrmale, Sheikhaal, Reer Gosha, Tuni, Baajuun, Jejeele, Gaaljecel, Jiidle, Biyamaal, Harti, etc and expect for the President of the nation to accept it. It does not work that way. He also does not want the region to serve as a Kenyan buffer zone, he's trying to have some control over what is happening. Soomaali talo faro kuma heyso, we're all pieces of a chess game. Kenya's involvement is not without a purpose. Hassan Sheikh sees this and is trying to exercise whatever executive power he has in letting them know the region will not be annexed, thus

why Kenyan troops & their Somali foot soldiers have been refused to enter Kismaayo.

There's a power struggle going on from what I'm sensing. We'll see though.

Wrong. The road to Kismayu (From Jana Cabdalla) is filled with IEDs. On the 25th jana abdalla taken north of Chai town. A.S secured the area with roadside IED anti tank trenches and poisoned water wells. The land troops 4frm Jana C are the ones who are supposed to Hold the city; the ones that came in from the beach took the city, but they are not meant to hold the city. No politics So far, 20 IEDs recovered adn detonated; slow but sure

[Anarchist]

@AmalJaber/Jaasuusad isnacday - if I ever decide to include your brain dead Kenyan ass in any discussions involving Somalia, I'll do so through one of your many nicks.

In the meantime, gtfoh, you dumb b!tch and learn your place in these discussions.

[AmalJaber]

@AmalJaber/Jaasuusad isnacday - if I ever decide to include your brain dead Kenyan ass in any discussions involving Somalia, I'll do so through one of your many nicks.

In the meantime, gtfoh, you dumb b!tch and learn your place in these discussions.

I'm sorry; inever knew that you are the one who decides to "include" people on discussions here. No wonder you have the audacity to claim the "KDF has been denied entry." Ignorant fool; now that's not an insult - it's a statement of fact; So, which army will he use to chase away KDF and their SNA foot soldiers if they decide to ignore him; Your logic is below my scorn. Now, i DO NOT debate with your likes; i only inform you. I'm Mrs. Western & You're Miss western

[The_Patriot]

awoowe salan sare.
Secondly whats the difference btw the Kenyan and Ugandan/Burundi soilders? Do yiu think one serves your interest the other has ulterior motives?
The president is infact under protection of a bantu soilder.
The govoernment itself you are talking about was built in Mbagathi and Eldoret before the Ethiopians forcefully implanted it in Xamar.
There is alot of mistrust about xamar creating an admin the last C.qassim govt created the JVA which was a notorious entity.I do beleive that an all inclusive admin is required but it doesnt mean one where it will be like the JVA.though the current leader seems to be rational you cant try vilify men that sacrificed their lives to kick out AS out of the region.Saying that the soilders are not supposed to enter the city and instill law and order is an irresponsible move that allows looters and Shabab remnants to rule the streets. Who ever is trying to sabortage the entire process should be demoted as they are abusing their powers.You cant be simply in Green Zone Xamar under the comfort of AMISOM security and deny others the same basic right they are enjoying.

[Anarchist]

@AmalJaber - If I didn't know any better, I'd say you're trying to overcompensate for the glaring obvious i.e. that my left testicle has a higher intelligence quotient than you ever will. I'll give you some points for using a computer, but don't test my limits. Most of us have no patience for your eschatological smears. Marka, don't waste my time and simply tell me when is your next show @ the Nairobi zoo? I'll bring more than the usual amount of bananas this time.

Once a dumb b!tch, always a dumb b!tch. I can't help you there.

[Anarchist]

awoowe salan sare.
Secondly whats the difference btw the Kenyan and Ugandan/Burundi soilders? Do yiu think one serves your interest the other has ulterior motives?
The president is infact under protection of a bantu soilder.
The govoernment itself you are talking about was built in Mbagathi and Eldoret before the Ethiopians forcefully implanted it in Xamar.
There is alot of mistrust about xamar creating an admin the last C.qassim govt created the JVA which was a notorious entity.I do beleive that an all inclusive admin is required but it doesnt mean one where it will be like the JVA.though the current leader seems to be rational you cant try vilify men that sacrificed their lives to kick out AS out of the region.Saying that the soilders are not supposed to enter the city and instill law and order is an irresponsible move that allows looters and Shabab remnants to rule the streets. Who ever is trying to sabortage the entire process should be demoted as they are abusing their powers.You cant be simply in Green Zone Xamar under the comfort of AMISOM security and deny others the same basic right they are enjoying.

Salaan wacan, awoowe. I understand all your points and see where you're coming from. But, I think as a people, we can achieve our goals & ambitions without having to sacrifice our sumcad and without resorting to these things. We can try to have influence within the country and specially in Muqdisho the same way Puntland does. Why choose to marginalize ourselves from Somali politics and instead choose this route? Like I said, the President is a reasonable man and is willing to listen. What good are clan gains if they're achieved through serving Kenya's interests in Somalia? It's not a coincidence that Kenya chooses to get involved now of all times, when there are reports of oil in the region. They were forced to join AMISOM, it was never their wish to do so and this is an AMISOM mission only by name. We all know the truth, we just choose to turn a blind eye to it. Soomaali talo faro kuma hayso. We can choose to take this route & serve their interests or we can choose a more honorable path. Besides, how long before things get ugly? This plan is not sustainable, it'll only undermine Somalia's sovereignty. It still means something to me.

With all due respect, awoowe - we are on opposite poles regarding this issue. I'll try not to be a bigger party pooper than I've already been and stay out of it. Ilaahey kheyr haka dhigo, amiin.

[metamorphosis]

Hey fellas can we discuss how to rebuild the city?

[Coldoon]

Hey fellas can we discuss how to rebuild the city?

Cairo, like Kambuli said has 11 million in population. That 'allegedly' more than the entire population of Somalia. With a developed Kismayo/Mogadishu/Bosaso/Borama/Lasanod/Hergeisa/, they can hold 10 to 20 million in population.

[Murax]

Hey fellas can we discuss how to rebuild the city?

First thing is roads. 2nd thing is Buildings that house institutions need to be refurbished. Once You have decent roads, and Government buildings are intact and operational You can move on to bigger and more inclusive projects.




The Patriot,

You're a cuqdadlaabe that needs to grow up. 'JVA JVA' ku hay weliga. Shyt is over move the hell on.

[Coldoon]

1st thing is building drainage system. Laying down pipes, so every household has access to water. The waste drainage system should also be build and the drainage pipes should go underneath the ground where the roads will be established.

Infrastructure should come later, after water plumbing and underground electricity is build.

[Murax]

1st thing is building drainage system. Laying down pipes, so every household has access to water. The waste drainage system should also be build and the drainage pipes should go underneath the ground where the roads will be established.

Infrastructure should come later, after water plumbing and underground electricity is build.

Believe it or not this is a very easy project if only the right funding is in place. The implemented a similar project somewhere in Liberia right after their War and it was done very quickly.



As for security I would issue some form of Marshall Law for a few months, and I'd also make sure EVERYONE in the city has some form of identification. There also has to be controls and roadblocks Where vehicles get searched coming into the city.

[metamorphosis]

I think the first thing should be security. Large amounts of money should be spent establshing and maintaining an exceptionally superior military force. There is no use in building roads or government buildings if an extremist group like alshabab can return upon will. This also sends a warning to all potential threats that jubbaland will be defended beautifully. When you have a force that strong that can easily maneuver both internal and external threats large or small then you can move on the infrastructure. Roads and canals will be built. The port and the airport will be remodelled. Highways that connect all the major cities of jubbaland will be built. Schools and heslthcare will also be a main focus. If you are wondering how the money will be obtained then dont. Immediate after a real government will be laws and the first law to be passed will be a law that says that taxes will be paid. Within a decade jubbaland will be transformed.

[Coldoon]

Believe it or not this is a very easy project if only the right funding is in place. The implemented a similar project somewhere in Liberia right after their War and it was done very quickly.



As for security I would issue some form of Marshall Law for a few months, and I'd also make sure EVERYONE in the city has some form of identification. There also has to be controls and roadblocks Where vehicles get searched coming into the city.

The reason our security sucks is because people have nothing to look forward to. There is nothing to value. If reconstruction begun and people were given jobs, they'd value it more and would compete one another (non-violently) in obtaining wealth or secure their jobs. Good wages for the Police and Military/National Guards would also help out.

Metamorphosis, that's where the problem comes from. Why spend so much money on building the Military force? We need to spend more money on the civilians and infrastructure. More water, more food, more social institutions to help out the families would easily decrease the security threat.

Building the Military, would only create hostility. Paranoia is high in our communities. Each clan would assume the reason the military is being build is to annihilate his/their clan.