Somaliland Vs Somalia talks on Feburary a loose Union.

[X.Playa]

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/2 ... nd_somalia

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Seeing how events are unfolding for the better in mogadisho its only a matter of time before sland sees the light the 20+ year old misleading will soon be buried for good

Sxb unity is in our interest. O somali believers unite!

[Cumar-Labasuul]

My take on this is to continue with the negotiations and accept no less than a referendum with the majority yes votes resulting in full sovereignity for the whole of the territory somaliland claims*


*possibly a village by village border demarcation in eastern sool cayn and eastern sanaag.

[X.Playa]

But Somaliland's case in not on the table of the negotiation, only 8 points of cooperations , most Isaaq misses this crusial points, in all future talks nobody will discuess somaliland at all , only cooperation between the 2 somalia and somaliland , in another word .........loose slow integrations claoked under the term "iskaashi".

Cumar i thought you had better brain then the parrot Emporer , read the 8 points from the Lonodon conference, the status of somaliland nor the future of somaliland recognition will ever be debated in these endless meetings, all future meetings including the one on next months will be under the mantra of "cooperations" or "iskaashi" its a slow integration process by the time the average qaad chewer Isaaq wakes up the process would be so advanced as to be unstopable.

[hargaysaay]

But Somaliland's case in not on the table of the negotiation, only 8 points of cooperations , most Isaaq misses this crusial points, in all future talks nobody will discuess somaliland at all , only cooperation between the 2 somalia and somaliland , in another word .........loose slow integrations claoked under the term "iskaashi".

Cumar i thought you had better brain then the parrot Emporer , read the 8 points from the Lonodon conference, the status of somaliland nor the future of somaliland recognition will ever be debated in these endless meetings, all future meetings including the one on next months will be under the mantra of "cooperations" or "iskaashi" its a slow integration process by the time the average qaad chewer Isaaq wakes up the process would be so advanced as to be unstopable.

so xplaya where do you see this process ending what kind of results will it bring forth

[Cumar-Labasuul]

xplaya, so if the talks are not even about the status of somaliland why are we pursuing with them. waaba yaab!
also even if these talks are a ploy to slowly integrate somaliland into somalia there is still the big issue: somalia has never physically been in control of somaliland for the last 2 decades so unless somaliland willingly gives up it's sovereignity how can the mogadishu government do so without going to war?

p.s. I believe siilaanyo is too old and blind to be leading us into this important decisions we could of done with the old wily men of the past like Cigaal and Cabdiraxmaan Tuur (alle ha unaxariisto)

[X.Playa]

Thats the million dollar question, if the issues at the table (the 8 points) have nothing to do with somaliland statuts why do we bother? The problem is most of somaliland's population are not like you or me they are licke Emprorer a mad chicken that thinks the sky is falling.

Go watch the london press conference where our foreign minister and the somali interior minister states that the issue of somaliland's case was ommitted from the talks .

[Cumar-Labasuul]

The thing is the average citizens of somaliland are the most die-hard SL supporters - go to hargeisa or burco or ceerigaabo or caynabo and ask them their opinion and 99.9% of them will be shocked at you for even suggesting a re-union. But we are controlled by calooshood-ushaqesteyaal like most, idiots like the foreign minister and faysal and even ex faqash snitches. Odayga siilaanyo falls into the docile category, he believes that if you have peace the world will put recognition on a silver platter for you. This is africa you have to play by dirty rules. Somalia cannot afford another civil war now so we need to be tougher and refusing to talk and isolating ourselves is why we are in this status quo today. Either we fight for our future or we go home like cowards

[X.Playa]

The Isaaq are staunch pro somaliland but they are dumb and slow at the delicate games of politics , in our last meeting in London the southerners won by completely taking out the issue of somaliland from the table and instead put forward 8 points of cooperations "iskaashi" and yet our 4 delegates at the conference were ululating and considered that debacle a victory.

How is it a victory when our major objective was side lined?? , you just give up once you find out that the Isaaq by nature have a low I.Q when it comes to politics.

[original dervish]

S/l are forced to attend these talks, with the threat of NGO aid being suspended.
What most iidoor don`t realise is that its the organ grinder that calls the tune, and not the monkey.

[skywalker25]

xplaya, so if the talks are not even about the status of somaliland why are we pursuing with them. waaba yaab!
also even if these talks are a ploy to slowly integrate somaliland into somalia there is still the big issue: somalia has never physically been in control of somaliland for the last 2 decades so unless somaliland willingly gives up it's sovereignity how can the mogadishu government do so without going to war?

p.s. I believe siilaanyo is too old and blind to be leading us into this important decisions we could of done with the old wily men of the past like Cigaal and Cabdiraxmaan Tuur (alle ha unaxariisto)

The error was made along time before Silanyo came into office. Those two men you mentioned decided to turn their guns on eachother instead of cleaning out all the hostile elements in both east and west. The problem of dividing the two Somalias became difficult from that moment. Personally I dont think Egaal aun had any interest in a seperate Somaliland. He bribed the Gudabursi and the Dhullo's as soon as puntland came ran straight for it. Silanyo is cleaning up other peoples mess the best he can.

Regarding the talks I think this is the last chance Saloon of Isaaq's having the upper hand. Silanyo and his team understand this and are working on finding a solution to seperate the two people. Its a very delicate matter as the Somali president has the Darod who will go ape over seperation to deal with and we the hardore Somalilander. From our point of view, the Somali government speaking to us as equal is a big step for them. By this action they acknowledge we are two different countries with equal powers. When trust is built we can move on to division like South Sudan and Sudan. In the mean time we have to work with them as partners. This is a most and to say if you dont respect our demans we are going back in our corner is stupid. The west does not want that and will punish the SL government by making life even more difficult for the average Somalilander. The when people leave in their 1000 for Somalia people like Cumar will say Silanyo destroyed Somaliland.

[original dervish]

The game was up for S/l the moment the transition period ended.
Wishing you could turn the clock back to 1991 won`t help them.

[gurey25]

An asymetrical confederation or a loose union is fine for now, but it will be treason if the siilanyo government does not negotiate an exit strategy.
They cannot hide this .

[X.Playa]

skywalker,

Are you familiar with the points of the negotiation or you just trying to defend Siilaanuo here? how is Siilaanyo is working for Somaliland's case when he completly accepted these 8 points which in essense preclude any discussion of somaliland's recognition.,?

If you recall there was a law against any participation of Somali conferences before Siilaanyo came to power , and as soon as he came to power he reappealed that law. Few months later he sent the foreign minister to Turky conference sitting accross Puntland, all under the pretext of obeying the IC calls for straight talk with somalia regarding the union or nationhood of somaliland.

When we went to london expecting the talks will include somaliland we were surprised when the talks excluded our majore objective and then were replaced with 8 points that call for a cooperation with somalia as all normal federalism functions. Among the 8 future discussion points was the creation of Somali goverment and the rest were cooperations "iskaashi".

Now tell me.. where is somailand into all this??? and tell me how Siilaanyo is helping somaliland case when he signed a peiece of paper that will exclude somaliland from all future talks.?

[original dervish]