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How did the caliphate disappear?

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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Postby AhlulbaytSoldier » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:31 pm

Young Sufi Warlock, avoid Hatred it leads to corruption of the soul. Corruption of the soul leads to Astray, and every going astray is in fire.
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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Postby CilmiDoone » Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:49 pm

Abuubakr is losing it and his delusion is proof. All this reading and thinking is getting to his connection with reality e.g. his A-levels. Lets pray for him :tocry:

Forget and this Khalifa and old arabs from centuries ago, focus on your life and A-levels :ufdup:

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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Postby gurey25 » Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:17 pm

Abubaker , i dont like ibn saud as well but he is technically blameless,
The hashemites betrayed the Ottomans, he was always a rebel with no links to anyone.
The Ottomans were not a muslim dawla by this time anyways, when World war 1 was starting it was ruled by a triumvurate of 3 dictators from the young turks party better called young kufaar, 2 out of the 3 were athiests and the other 1 an agnostic. All of them had no shame at all admitting what they were.
It was a more liberal time, and the Ottomans and most of the muslim world were more secularized than today,
basically it was our friend Unions utopia and wet dream.

The Ottomans took western loans and set up banks and became part of the western system by 1845.
They stopped imposing Jizya on the non-muslims in the same year, and they divided law into secular law and religous law,
just like today, basically seperation of church and state, all this 80 years before Attaturk.

The young turks deposed Sultan Abdelhamid the second, the last Khalifa.
He was the last khalifa because he fought the western financial colonialism successfully, and reduced debt to low levels before he was deposed. He reintroduced islamic institutions during his reign and curtailed further secularization.

but the Ottoman Empire at 1915 when the arabs rebelled was not a khalifate, and was barley muslim in the first place.

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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Postby Shirib » Fri Jan 25, 2013 10:44 am

Abubaker , i dont like ibn saud as well but he is technically blameless,
The hashemites betrayed the Ottomans, he was always a rebel with no links to anyone.
The Ottomans were not a muslim dawla by this time anyways, when World war 1 was starting it was ruled by a triumvurate of 3 dictators from the young turks party better called young kufaar, 2 out of the 3 were athiests and the other 1 an agnostic. All of them had no shame at all admitting what they were.
It was a more liberal time, and the Ottomans and most of the muslim world were more secularized than today,
basically it was our friend Unions utopia and wet dream.

The Ottomans took western loans and set up banks and became part of the western system by 1845.
They stopped imposing Jizya on the non-muslims in the same year, and they divided law into secular law and religous law,
just like today, basically seperation of church and state, all this 80 years before Attaturk.

The young turks deposed Sultan Abdelhamid the second, the last Khalifa.
He was the last khalifa because he fought the western financial colonialism successfully, and reduced debt to low levels before he was deposed. He reintroduced islamic institutions during his reign and curtailed further secularization.

but the Ottoman Empire at 1915 when the arabs rebelled was not a khalifate, and was barley muslim in the first place.
Exactly, if you want to blame the Arabs for using the British to fight the Ottomans that's one thing, but to say that the Arabs destroyed the khalifate is just not true. There was no khalifate to speak of then. The 3 Pasha's were running the show.


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