Siyaasiyiinta Snet soo gala

[Marques]

So i met and caught up with a long time friend of mine oo habeen hore Bari (boosaaso) kasoo laabtay, dhowr sanadood ayuu maqnaa...cabbaar aan sheekaysanay markaasuu iga warramay xaalada ey kusugantahay dalkii...i was suprised as he explained that the general feeling in Puntland and the South is that Shabaab have no real influence but rather there is serious US interfering going on...shirqoolkii lagu diley Sh Axmed Xaaji iyo Sh C/qaadir Gacameey kulli waxaa soo abaabulay ciyaal payroll maraykan ku socda oo qaarkood stateska loo diri lahaa..in one incidence he said he knew of the young lad who actually killed Sh Gacameey...weligiis kuma tacaluqneyn shabaab iyo afkaartooda ee wuxuu ahaa miskiin iska dhibyar oo marka dambe meelo kala duwan sida laascaanood intaa loogu direy laguna yiri orod soo qaariji shiiq hebel iyo oday hebel...dilkaan uu ugeystay Sh Gacameey was suppose to be his last mission before being whisked off to the states...Wuxuu kaloo iisheegay burcad badeedka inay wadashaqayn ka dhaxayso ayagu iyo maraakiibta maraykanka ee badda hindiya kormeerta...the pirates are not being fought against but rather the US navy warships concede some cash prizes to them and continue their illegal usage of the sea whilst giving the pirates the regular equipment in order to attack other foreign ships as a way of covering their own footsteps...
He also told me of the saracen company who have usurped entire stocks of natural hidden minerals in the northeastern regions claiming it is merely soil in their failed quest for the oil... Basically in a wrap, the US is doing everything in its power to keep the instability going and things which we may have pointed at Shabaab are in effect led by US initiative...

Sheekooyinkaan oo kale ma idiin soo gaartay mise sheeko beeralay aa laygu hayay?

[The`Republic]

Sounds like typical Somali paranoia. Allahu aclam but Shabaab is a serious threat that cannnot be underestimated.

[Marques]

There is a lot of cloudiness in Shabaabs logistics and operational command. Their highest authorities are hiding either in Ceelbuur and underground in Baraawe or the woods of Jubbaland...No fixed outlet on the coast since the Kismayo saga etc sidee wax u wadaan waan yaabnee...

But the piracy thing really got me thinking, nimankii faataadhuglayaasha reer Mudug ahaa ee baadiyaha kasoo yaacay bal sidee maraakiib dhan oo maca security wadata ay si fudud u afduubayaan ileen wax aan qori ahayn ma sitaane...are you denying that these men are assisted in some way for a more hidden agenda?

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

believe me i have heard that too

[The`Republic]

Anything is possible but that sounds like a stretch. You have to realize the Somali countryside is easy to navigate and while the few leaders are known, the many child footsoldiers can hide anywhere in society without being seen. Have you ever seen Dahir Aweys, Cali Dheere, or Roobow physically committ any acts? They use their vast child followers whom no one can pick out save of reading their minds.

[BlackRain]

There is a lot of cloudiness in Shabaabs logistics and operational command. Their highest authorities are hiding either in Ceelbuur and underground in Baraawe or the woods of Jubbaland...No fixed outlet on the coast since the Kismayo saga etc sidee wax u wadaan waan yaabnee...

But the piracy thing really got me thinking, nimankii faataadhuglayaasha reer Mudug ahaa ee baadiyaha kasoo yaacay bal sidee maraakiib dhan oo maca security wadata ay si fudud u afduubayaan ileen wax aan qori ahayn ma sitaane...are you denying that these men are assisted in some way for a more hidden agenda?

The real question is what possibly can the U.S get from our instability ? perhaps revenge for the Blackhawk dawn? or are there any evil motives?

[Marques]

There is a lot of cloudiness in Shabaabs logistics and operational command. Their highest authorities are hiding either in Ceelbuur and underground in Baraawe or the woods of Jubbaland...No fixed outlet on the coast since the Kismayo saga etc sidee wax u wadaan waan yaabnee...

But the piracy thing really got me thinking, nimankii faataadhuglayaasha reer Mudug ahaa ee baadiyaha kasoo yaacay bal sidee maraakiib dhan oo maca security wadata ay si fudud u afduubayaan ileen wax aan qori ahayn ma sitaane...are you denying that these men are assisted in some way for a more hidden agenda?

The real question is what possibly can the U.S get from our instability ? perhaps revenge for the Blackhawk dawn? or are there any evil motives?

A powerful Somalia is a dangerous Somalia. History has already proven that. In addition to that, why wouldn't they work tirelessly to keep us in limbo so our resources would be laid bare..These are the same guys who tried to weaken Aideed but then used Aideed Junior as bait. A few years down the line there was the ARPCT being funded to keep hold of 'extremism'. Ethics and social integrity means nothing now...they will work with the clear enemy (in this case it wouldn't be the enemy) in order to keep their own allies in check...it's sick and twisted but hey, intelligence was never pretty to begin with.

[sahal80]

Waa sax in US aay abuurtey al jamaca al jihadiyya sidoo kale wadamada khaliijka xiligii dagaalkii qaboobaa iyo loolamadii yasaariyiinta iyo reer galbeedka.
Waa sax in wali al jamaaca al jihadiya la adeegsanayo sida ka dhacey lebya ama syria quwada dagaalka lagu jabinaayo maamuladaas waa iyaga

Laakiin si toos ah ayeey utaageeraan tankala somalia kama jirin maamul dhexe marka maslaxadooda aa ah ineey maamul ikhwaan ah oo saaxxibo la ah oo sharciya diiniya leh ineey dhidibada utaagaan.

Al shabaab waa la jabiyay lakiin sida hassan sheekh dhahey qaraxyada wee soconayaan ilaa muddo.

Hada qolyo europe ah ayaa securitiga ka shaqeenaya wiigaga soo socdo, somalida khibrad malah hada kaddib meelaha waxaa lagu dhajinayaa kaamirooyin oo laga daawado meel center ah.

Qaraxii ugu danbeeyay aad ayuu doolada usaacidayaa waxbadan oo lagu taageero rubba daaratin naficat.

[FarhanYare]

There is a lot of cloudiness in Shabaabs logistics and operational command. Their highest authorities are hiding either in Ceelbuur and underground in Baraawe or the woods of Jubbaland...No fixed outlet on the coast since the Kismayo saga etc sidee wax u wadaan waan yaabnee...

But the piracy thing really got me thinking, nimankii faataadhuglayaasha reer Mudug ahaa ee baadiyaha kasoo yaacay bal sidee maraakiib dhan oo maca security wadata ay si fudud u afduubayaan ileen wax aan qori ahayn ma sitaane...are you denying that these men are assisted in some way for a more hidden agenda?

The real question is what possibly can the U.S get from our instability ? perhaps revenge for the Blackhawk dawn? or are there any evil motives?

A powerful Somalia is a dangerous Somalia. History has already proven that. In addition to that, why wouldn't they work tirelessly to keep us in limbo so our resources would be laid bare..These are the same guys who tried to weaken Aideed but then used Aideed Junior as bait. A few years down the line there was the ARPCT being funded to keep hold of 'extremism'. Ethics and social integrity means nothing now...they will work with the clear enemy (in this case it wouldn't be the enemy) in order to keep their own allies in check...it's sick and twisted but hey, intelligence was never pretty to begin with.

[Typhoon]

There is a lot of cloudiness in Shabaabs logistics and operational command. Their highest authorities are hiding either in Ceelbuur and underground in Baraawe or the woods of Jubbaland...No fixed outlet on the coast since the Kismayo saga etc sidee wax u wadaan waan yaabnee...

But the piracy thing really got me thinking, nimankii faataadhuglayaasha reer Mudug ahaa ee baadiyaha kasoo yaacay bal sidee maraakiib dhan oo maca security wadata ay si fudud u afduubayaan ileen wax aan qori ahayn ma sitaane...are you denying that these men are assisted in some way for a more hidden agenda?

The real question is what possibly can the U.S get from our instability ? perhaps revenge for the Blackhawk dawn? or are there any evil motives?

A powerful Somalia is a dangerous Somalia. History has already proven that. In addition to that, why wouldn't they work tirelessly to keep us in limbo so our resources would be laid bare..These are the same guys who tried to weaken Aideed but then used Aideed Junior as bait. A few years down the line there was the ARPCT being funded to keep hold of 'extremism'. Ethics and social integrity means nothing now...they will work with the clear enemy (in this case it wouldn't be the enemy) in order to keep their own allies in check...it's sick and twisted but hey, intelligence was never pretty to begin with.

Do you have empirical evidence for your anti-western tiered, let me guess you think that we take your bombastic outburst as a serious proposition

foking Somalis, when you think having been introduced to the modern world they still retreat to the primordial ways of reasoning
Yeah there is a western conspiracy and its called pursuing western interest, the question is; is somali mayhem and tragedy in the interest of the west?
From the qustion you can derive a simple logical conclusion without habar kuuley 911 conspiracy

[Kafkaesque]

Interesting.

So, waxaa dilay ciyaal mareykanka lacag siiyey oona la yiri markaa dhameesiin shirqoolka, mareykanka baa idin geeninaa.

Also, Saracen baa minerals qaadey oona Puntland ka dhaadicisey inii tahay ciid markii shidaalkii la waayey???

[RovingMadness]

Anything is possible but that sounds like a stretch. You have to realize the Somali countryside is easy to navigate and while the few leaders are known, the many child footsoldiers can hide anywhere in society without being seen. Have you ever seen Dahir Aweys, Cali Dheere, or Roobow physically committ any acts? They use their vast child followers whom no one can pick out save of reading their minds.

You will be amazed to know that Dahir Aweys kids are in America getting financial aid for their schooling. Meanwhile, other Somali children are bombed & massacred for going to secular school to the great pleasure & satisfaction of Hassan Dahir. Remember what happened at the qaraxii hargaha iyo saamaha & hotel Shaamo?

It's a public knowledge that numerous Western agencies bankroll certain sections of the radical elements ong the Pakistani-Afghani borders. I won't be surprised if the same is true in Somalia. It's a shady world we live in, afterall

[Typhoon]

Anything is possible but that sounds like a stretch. You have to realize the Somali countryside is easy to navigate and while the few leaders are known, the many child footsoldiers can hide anywhere in society without being seen. Have you ever seen Dahir Aweys, Cali Dheere, or Roobow physically committ any acts? They use their vast child followers whom no one can pick out save of reading their minds.

You will be amazed to know that Dahir Aweys kids are in America getting financial aid for their schooling. Meanwhile, other Somali children are bombed & massacred for going to secular school to the great pleasure & satisfaction of Hassan Dahir. Remember what happened at the qaraxii hargaha iyo saamaha & hotel Shaamo?

It's a public knowledge that numerous Western agencies bankroll certain sections of the radical elements ong the Pakistani-Afghani borders. I won't be surprised if the same is true in Somalia. It's a shady world we live in, afterall

I made a thread about this but with more plausible evidence then the usual somali tantrums

viewtopic.php?f=26&t=315925

[samatar133]

This seems to me the usual Somali conspiracy theories but one thing we should all be aware of is the complexity of this world we live in.
Taking things at face value and assuming that the west always acts in a moral way and they do not harm other peoples and other nations is to ignore history and to live in a world of fantasy. Nations have interests and if the interest of powerful nations conflict with the weak ones, history showed us they do exploit if they can.
If we assume there is some sort of negative western intervention in Somaia that is causing it's continued instability, one should ask what is in it for the west to have unstable Somalia? what are they benefiting from it?
It can not be natural resources, that out of the question because western companies never had any problem with any Somalia government when it comes to investment deals and accessing the natural resources of the country.
Does strong and nationalistic Somalia naturally upsets a geopolitical goal for the west? It might! it might tilt the power balance of East Africa in a way that is not desirable for powerful western countries. It might lead to a greater instability in the whole region which might not be in the interest of anybody and for that reason keeping it at war with itself is the lesser of the two evils.
Or may be no one intends any harm for Somalia but its people are so backward and its leaders are so inept they are unable to come up with any ideas to save itself and to live peacefully with the rest of the world and they are as usual blaming their failure to others!!

[quark]

Anything is possible with these white devils and history proves it but at end of the day, its somalis who are continuing f-king up the nation whether they are used or not. They have been killing each other for centuries and nobody gives a shiid but when ajnabis kill one, demonstrations and shit happens. Typical tyrone mentality.