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For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our foe

Postby MrPrestige » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:16 am

They tried to tell Genel Energy not to invest in Somaliland but they were told to fuck off.




Former BP Chief's New Quest: Wildcatting on the Edge of Danger

When London's Genel Energy GENL.LN +1.32% PLC decided last year to search for oil in Somalia, it didn't negotiate with the country's internationally
recognized government in Mogadishu.


Instead, Genel Chief Executive Tony Hayward flew to a city about 500 miles north: Hargeisa, the dusty capital of breakaway Somaliland. He
visited the separatist president at home and told the resources minister that Genel could spend about $100 million prospecting there.

"We will find oil," said Mr. Hayward at the July 2012 meeting, according to him and the resources minister, Hussein Abdi Dualeh. Somaliland gave
Genel permission to prospect.

Mr. Hayward, BP BP.LN +0.29% PLC's chief during its 2010 Deepwater Horizon disaster in the Gulf of Mexico, has joined a breed of wildcatters who
deploy a risky and sometimes lucrative strategy: Look for oil in politically or geologically fraught lands after cutting deals with governments that claim
the lands, even if those claims are in dispute.

These oilmen operate on what the 56-year-old Mr. Hayward calls "the political frontier." They sometimes defy the wishes of Washington and the United
Nations, which say companies can amplify conflicts and foment instability by entering disputed lands.


Genel executives Tony Hayward and Mehmet Sepil hope to find oil in Somaliland. Bloomberg News

In Somaliland, Mr. Hayward is stepping into a decadeslong conflict. The northern-Somalia region declared independence in 1991. But Somalia still claims
it, and the U.N. doesn't recognize its independence.

The breakaway Somaliland's oil agreements are particularly contentious because they sometimes overlap leases that the central Mogadishu government
negotiated years ago and that are held by companies such as BP, Royal Dutch Shell RDSB.LN +0.07% PLC and ConocoPhillips. COP +1.51%

A U.S. State Department official says that without a resolution between the central and regional governments, oil deals "are going to create
conflict." A July U.N. report
says making oil deals in fractious Somali regions could "constitute threats to peace and security."

Somalia believes Genel's deal could "destabilize" the nation, the Mogadishu government told Mr. Hayward in a 2012 email The Wall Street Journal
reviewed, alleging that Genel is "in search of more profits by creating more problems in this part of the world.
"

Mr. Hayward says he disagrees. Since BP replaced him in 2010 after the Deepwater Horizon explosion and spill, he has staked his future on the notion
that finding oil will not only make money but also make people stop fighting.

"If people have the opportunity to earn money and buy a BMW, rather than run around the hills with a Kalashnikov," he says, "they'll do it."

Somaliland's Mr. Dualeh says oil will help win recognition and generate income for his stable but extremely poor region.



Workers drilled for oil at a Genel well in Iraq's Kurdistan region. Justin Scheck/The Wall Street Journal

Because small companies have less money, "by definition they have to go to the frontier, either the technical frontier or the political frontier," says
Mr. Hayward. "There's no point in them following the big guys."

Mr. Hayward was drawn to Somaliland because it seemed a promising place to repeat Genel's success.

Genel was founded in 2002 by Mehmet Sepil, a Turkish construction magnate. He says current Iraqi president and longtime Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani
phoned that year with a proposal: Develop Kurdistan's neglected oil fields.

"At the time, the political risk was very, very big," says Mr. Sepil, now Genel's president, from his Ankara office. (The Che Guevara portrait on his wall
shows, he says, that he is an "old leftist.") The U.S. was preparing to invade Iraq, and relations between Turkey and the Kurds were "very sensitive."

Mr. Talabani, who suffered a stroke, couldn't be reached for comment.

Mr. Sepil and a partner agreed with Kurdistani leaders to spend at least $35 million prospecting, he says. Unable to hire a drilling contractor—none could get
insurance—he spent $14 million for a used rig he trucked into the hills, he says. He eventually struck oil.

The Baghdad government told Mr. Sepil his Kurdistan leases weren't legitimate, he says. In 2004, he met Baghdad officials to negotiate approval, documents
reviewed by the Journal show. They never reached a deal.

Baghdad adheres to its long-standing position, says an Iraqi Oil Ministry spokesman, that contracts signed in Kurdistan aren't valid if the central
government hasn't approved them. He says Baghdad is open to negotiating with Kurdistan. A Kurdistani-government spokesman says its deals are legal.

Genel continued drilling despite the controversy.




At the dinner, Mr. Hayward, who dresses like a London banker, told the long-haired Mr. Sepil he wanted to move into politically or geographically risky
Mediterranean and African regions. They agreed they could use Turkish and U.K. diplomatic contacts for access. "I said, 'Let's use our relationships like
I used it in Kurdistan,' " Mr. Sepil says.

Mr. Hayward's firm acquired Genel in a deal that took it public in 2011. One technically challenging region they began exploring was off Morocco's coast,
Mr. Hayward says.

Genel also consulted an in-house geologist with knowledge of Yemen's oil deposits. Such deposits, he told Genel, should also be present across the Gulf of
Aden in Somaliland.

Somaliland fit the profile Mr. Hayward and Mr. Sepil sought: geologically promising, too risky for big companies and with diplomatic ties to their home
countries.

Like Kurdistan a decade ago, Somaliland is self-governed and more stable than Somalia's south. The capital, Mr. Hayward says, "is very, very poor—as
Kurdistan was when it all started in Erbil."

Turkey and the U.K. support Mogadishu but also support oil development in Somaliland, say diplomatic and oil-company officials. "We welcome inward
investment into Somalia, including Somaliland," the U.K. foreign office says.


As in Kurdistan, oil seeps from the ground. Yet big oil companies aren't prospecting. Shell and others had leases in the 1980s to explore in Somalia,
including parts of Somaliland, but suspended operations amid growing violence.

In the past decade, wildcatters began seeking local Somali leases. London's Ophir Energy OPHR.LN +0.51% PLC entered Somaliland in 2004 by acquiring
an interest in a company that was granted a concession there in 2003—one that overlaps with a lease BP holds from Mogadishu.

Ophir says its lease is legitimate. Its partner, RAK Gas LLC of United Arab Emirates, in September acquired a controlling stake in the lease; RAK Gas
didn't respond to inquiries. BP says its Somali leases are valid and that it is discussing them with Mogadishu.

Mogadishu says it considers leases by regional Somali governments invalid. The constitution "doesn't allow any federal states to enter any agreements,
whether that's Somaliland or any other region," says Somalia's natural-resources minister, Abdirizak Omar Mohamed.


In July 2012, Genel chartered a plane to Hargeisa. Somaliland's Mr. Dualeh says he was thrilled to see Mr. Hayward—whom he knew from TV newscasts—
arrive at his ministry building.

After Somaliland announced the Genel deal, Mogadishu objected: "There is no 'Independent Republic of Somaliland,' " federal oil adviser Patrick
Molliere wrote in an email to Mr. Hayward, reviewed by the Journal. "You were the BP CEO, and you know that you cannot sign with a local federal
government."


Mr. Hayward says he was unfazed: "It's not dissimilar to the experience in the Kurdistan region of Iraq." Genel says it believes the regional government
has jurisdiction.


Genel's block overlaps with a ConocoPhillips lease from Mogadishu. ConocoPhillips isn't exploring in Somalia, but "we have not relinquished our interests
there," a company spokesman says.

Mogadishu has decried other such deals. "Companies like yours are creating potential possible instabilities," Mr. Molliere wrote in May to Chairman
Bijan Mossavar-Rahmani of Norway's DNO International AS DNO.OS +4.12% A, which has an exploration agreement with Somaliland. Mr. Mossavar-
Rahmani says the lease is valid.

Lane Franks, president of Phoenix-based Liberty Petroleum Corp., formed a company that agreed last year with Somalia's Galmudug state to explore an
area there that Mogadishu had awarded to Shell.

He negotiated with Galmudug President Abdi Hassan Awale, he says. The U.N.'s July report called Mr. Awale a "warlord" who fought U.N. peacekeepers in
the 1990s. Mr. Franks says he is aware of Mr. Awale's history but believes he has changed. He "seemed to be a man who really wanted what was best for
his people,"
he says.

Mr. Awale, by phone, said: "I don't know what you mean about, with the 'warlord.' " He declined to comment further, requesting contact by text
message; he didn't answer subsequent texts.

Mogadishu and Shell officials say they objected to the leases. Somalia's supreme court approved Galmudug's right to sign leases, says a Mogadishu
official, adding that the central government expects to appeal.

Shell CEO Peter Voser says Shell is discussing returning to Somali offshore sites. At a March meeting in the Netherlands, Shell officials told Mogadishu
officials they "should take responsibility and action" on leases that overlap Shell's, according to documents the Journal reviewed. Shell and Mogadishu
officials confirm the meeting.

Genel teams this year began seismic tests in Somaliland. They pulled out this September after a security threat. "Discussions continue with the
Somaliland government in order to facilitate a resumption of activity," Genel said last month.

Somaliland's Mr. Dualeh says it may create an armed "oil protection force."



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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby LiquidHYDROGEN » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:40 am

Mogadishu is irrelevant. They can't rule one city and have political squabbles that results in constant resignations and dismissals. They are unofficially A colonised people by the AU and the UN. I'm more concerned with whether the local tribes will be given a fair share of job opportunities if anything is found. With this corrupt tribalist regime, I wouldn't bet on it.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby MrPrestige » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:58 am

Yes Mogadishu is irrelevant that is why Tony Hawyard CEO of Genel was unfazed by their screams and brushed them aside. OriginalDervish was right
though the Ugandan protected government is very wary of the prospect of oil being found in Somaliland.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby skywalker25 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:10 am

To apply the word ''government'' on what is clearly a bunch of former warlords and money hungry businessman is wrong. The only reason why people are ignoring the elephant in the room which is these people would not a able to govern a school is the fact those they represent are in desperate need of anything close to normality and even that means this illusion they will hang on to it.

We should not expect these warlords to be in any way good for our interests. There attitude towards us is driven from our position; weakness or strength. Where they see weakness they will exploit it at every turn...

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Postby Hodan94 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:13 am

like its the first time they tried to sabortage things from SL.
they require psychological examination.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby hurdaayetoos » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:32 am

Somaliland cid ka hortaagan in ay oil amma Patrol baarato majirto, iyadaa tiri dowlad baan ahay waliba dhowr kii sano ee la soo dhaafay way baaraneysay iyada iyo Punland ba cid ka hor istaagtay ma jiraan.

Dowlada Soomaalia ofcourse Ilaa inta si official ah loo kala baxayo ileyn mar hore ayaa la kala baxay, Dowlada Soomaalia way ku qasban tahay in ay muu jisaa in ay iyadu talada ka godo cidna uma diido si cadow nimo ah amma kama hor istaagto laakiin wa xaq in ay muu jisaa in ay iyada talada ka go do inta lakala dareerayo.

Midka hadalkan qoray waa mid ka yimid meesha ay yiraahdaan "Badhan " waa mid careysan.
Horay ayaa loo yiri Gafuur cadho ninkeeda ayuu dhibaa


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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby BigBreak » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:50 pm

its time for mooryaans in zoomalia to wake up from the futile somaliweyn dream and accept :sland: independence is sacrosanct and is following the steps of s. sudan and eritrea :clap:

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby gurey25 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:27 am

The reason they are wary of the oil deal is because it is a game changer.
If oil is discovered then there is no reason for the comming talks with somalia, they become irrelevant.
We will get all the benefits of recognition without getting formal recognition.
Countries wishing to trade with us will accept our passports, while they still acknowledge us as part of somalia.
Trade credit will be easily given as you have the money to back it up now.
companies will rush to invest when they see the oil companies profit and they see them operate freely and safley in somaliland.
This whole recognition thing become moot.

Now without an oil discovery , the talks will drag on untill it reaches the final stages where mediation is involved.
Then both sides somalia and somaliland will get their arms twisted and forced to accept an agreement forced on them.
both sides will concede allot of points that they do not wish to.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby Casanova25 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:41 am

Yes Mogadishu is irrelevant that is why Tony Hawyard CEO of Genel was unfazed by their screams and brushed them aside. OriginalDervish was right
though the Ugandan protected government is very wary of the prospect of oil being found in Somaliland.
if Mogadishu is irrelevant then why are you obessed with them.. wait until 2016 elections.. we will see where Things stand!

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Postby X.Playa » Sun Nov 24, 2013 2:58 am

Its bizzare how these so called international community can claims that somaliland is represented by somalia when somaliland has non of the top positions, not president, not pm,not even equal share of mps, the entire isaaq has less mps then the so called .five communities and not even the useless speaker of the house and all top defence and police ranks.? So whats the IC logic if there any?

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Postby Siciid85 » Sun Nov 24, 2013 10:34 pm

Bal horta saacid iyo culusow hasoo kala dhamaadaan, then get back to me.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby DarthSomali » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:41 am

Dir is well represented in the govt :up:
But we cannot accept a seperate dir land.
There cannot be two dirlands. Djibouti is just doing fine as the only dir nation.
However there is other option.
The dir idoor of north can be joined together with Djibouti.
The dir from south can migrate to the promiseland: Djibouti land of the Dir Nation.

Djibouti will get berbera, hargeisa, burco, sheikh and zeylac. That is more realistic plan than to have two dir countries.
World will never accept such confusion from confused khatdealers.

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby X.Playa » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:56 pm

Isnt there rules against trolling?

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:03 pm

Is there a Somalilander who thinks we have friends , i mean true friends in the Amisom Bunkers , i doubt it other than lip service and willingness and talking to them , Somalia despite its being a nation under UN and African supervision the walanweyns creatures are still very hostile towards us.

As for Abu hutuking he is putting up a pretty face for Xiinow thats why he is trolling

read more here

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Re: For those who think Mogadishu led government is not our

Postby Even123 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:10 pm

trust me on these words, dirland will never be recognized and if you dirs were smart enough you realise through the talks that Silaanyo has accepted federalism under us walaweyn :lol: ,....you must be really dumb dirs if you think you'll get recognised through signing all the co-operations deals with us walaweyn! :) ,

NB; as if daroods and hawiye will happily sign off and allow dir to secede, wake up and smell the coffee :lol:


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