Adal Dynasty (Walashma?)

[Caesar]

Because Ogadeen don't even reach Jigjiga nowdays never mind Zeila in the 1300's . The Ogaadeen left Puntland couple centuries ago during an Absame internal civil war. 1300 that some 800 years ago , not even Isaaq resided any where near Zeila during those years. Your problem is you put a theory forward with no evidence and most of those theories are Daarood centeric.

LOL at how did they get to Zeila it was the Rome of Somalis at that time interms of business, religion, and politics, it wasn't that hard for anyone to go there.
When Ibn Battuta visited Muqdisho in 1331 he met the ruler of the city suldaan Abu Bakr ibn Sayx 'Umar a man from Berbera. What the heck was a reer Berbera man doing in Muqdisho?

Hilaac educate us about Ogadeen history

I would like to learn I don't know much about the peasantry of the Awdal Empire other that we treated them fairly.

[Caesar]

There was no Daarood anywhere near Zeila, in fact most of the Daarood moved from Puntland region around the end of the 1700s . The Isaaq moved into Sanaag before the Daaroods and the Isaaq moved towards Zeila before the Daaroods,

While the main Darod center was Gidaya and Hargaya (the Jigjiga region to north of Harar), there were of course Darod in Zeila, there were all clans in Zeila, it was an economic and political center, the Muqdisho if it's day. Modern Zeila is a ghost town and a ruin, the town was completely destroyed when the Portuguese burned it to the ground in the 1600s. The Turks rebuilt the modern town of Zeila, which has been slowly crumbling ever since. There used to be a ton of Arabs in Zeila who mostly left for Yemen following Somali independence, and a surprisingly large Jewish population who all moved to Israel in the 1960s.

The Adal state was a multi-clan state. Adal had Hawiye, Darod, Dir, Isaaq, Argobba, Cafar and Arabs all living together in one state.

Ghost town..ruined? Many people still live there to this day, but it's not at its zeinth thats the difference, it's a wonderful town AMIIN.
How can A white man who googles zaylac 24/7 any Somali about Zaylac his Darood/Ogadeen theories are kiling me, wallahi, The jews in zaylac did move to isreal but A somali probobly told you this, james is a google fiend how can you let a white man teach you about history.

You will never know about Zaylac no matter how much you google, Zaylac was cosmopolitan but there are always majorities and rulers and indigenous people

tons of arabs...what? Zaylac probably had more canfar then arabs, but Somalis were the majority. I bet it burns james dahl no one will ever want to teach a gaalo ( non somali) Af Zaylaci lol. but i can learn in two seconds by my zaylici cousins. life is unfair

[Caesar]

Since ruralman is not here i will hold james dahl chain in his place.

[Caesar]

There was no Daarood anywhere near Zeila, in fact most of the Daarood moved from Puntland region around the end of the 1700s . The Isaaq moved into Sanaag before the Daaroods and the Isaaq moved towards Zeila before the Daaroods,

While the main Darod center was Gidaya and Hargaya (the Jigjiga region to north of Harar), there were of course Darod in Zeila, there were all clans in Zeila, it was an economic and political center, the Muqdisho if it's day. Modern Zeila is a ghost town and a ruin, the town was completely destroyed when the Portuguese burned it to the ground in the 1600s. The Turks rebuilt the modern town of Zeila, which has been slowly crumbling ever since. There used to be a ton of Arabs in Zeila who mostly left for Yemen following Somali independence, and a surprisingly large Jewish population who all moved to Israel in the 1960s.

The Adal state was a multi-clan state. Adal had Hawiye, Darod, Dir, Isaaq, Argobba, Cafar and Arabs all living together in one state.

Gidaya and Hargaysa??? as far as I know there was no Hargaysa before the 1880's only a dry river bed where few wells were dag by the Garxajis and Arab clans where they watered their flocks. There was no need for Daarood to come from modern puntland with their many ports to come and trade the same goods in Zeila. During the apex of Zeila power that is pre 1800's the Daaroods were still confined to modern Majeerteenia . Saying there were Daaroods sultans is different then saying there were few Daarood traders in Zeila , I doubt if there was any significant Daarood populations any where west of Majeerteenia during these centuries. Jigajiga was founded around 1888 when the Amxaara invaded Harar , Jigjiga was only a fort , north of that fort the Habar Awal lived there , East of it the Jidwaaq and west of it the Gedabursi/ Ciise south of jigjiga the Burzuk, Akiishe, Geri koombe and such small clans lived between Jigjiga and Harar. Of course there use to be Arabs, Adari, Greeks and Jews but like any other coast in east Africa different nationalities came there to trade and settle, that's different then claiming it was a Daarood city run by an imaginary daarood sultans.

What you James Dhel promoting is a Daarood Aryan version , where ever where and any where you promote Daaroodism even in Zeila, explaining all Somali history through the lenses of Daaroodism , you remind me of the "Hellenistic" fanatics who with no evidence always promoted a version of "Germanic tribes of blonds" coming from the North invading Greece and civilizing the swarthy dark Greeks , why these blond didn't civilized their own Northern lands no Aryanist can tell us, but always " northern invasion" theory is used to claim every civilizations on erath. You are using that same logic in Somali regions promoting "the blond and blue eyed Daaroods" .

Isaaq, Ciise , and Cafar surrounded Zeila during these century un less a Daarood sultan was parachuted there from the sky I don't see how that clan can come out of no where and dominate that important city. This theory is no different then your Sultan Nuur al-Mujaahid been a Daarood and a Mareexaan, both theories are baseless .

we disagree on things but i agree with you on james dahl insanity and baseless propaganda.

he is literally trying to create history online.

i don't think he's white but a darood trying to make themselves look good and make up abtirsis on his site with new accounts to back himself up

if so that would be the greatest troll of all time wallahi

james dahl is probably a multi nicker as well don't trust this obvious gaalo and his lies.

[Bermooda]

According to James Dahl (that is if he is right) Walashma dynasty was at its greatest under Karanle leadership with aun Gurey himself being one.

According to Futah Al-Habashi Hawiye played a prime role in the military side not to mention Ajuuraan not only backed it financially but also sent many men. Karanle already had presence near the high hills of Ethiopia and still has to this day so.....

[StormShadow]

According to James Dahl (that is if he is right) Walashma dynasty was at its greatest under Karanle leadership with aun Gurey himself being one.

According to Futah Al-Habashi Hawiye played a prime role in the military side not to mention Ajuuraan not only backed it financially but also sent many men. Karanle already had presence near the high hills of Ethiopia and still has to this day so.....

Walashma or wilinwila how the present day decents like to be called are a subclan of sacad maqaabul amuudaan. Karaanle are also one of the oldest clans in the highlands with dozens of other somali clans and many more who have been assimilated into the xabashi and oromo. Karaanle need to open up if they want to preserve their somali herritage cuz it looks like the oromo have been assimilating lots of them. If you look at some places near baabile they have been totaly erased.

[Bermooda]

Beesha Karanle have been the gate keepers of the Somali region for centuries (still are) and therefore felt the full brunt of the xabashi empire and then the great Oromo migration.

So yes there have been some forced assimilation specially from the oromo but most still speak fluent somali sxb. Reason why many of their region ended up on the Oromo side lays squarely with JigJiga who failed to protect it in the bogus 2004 border demarcation referendum.

[StormShadow]

Sxb oromada will not go after you unless you had been in terms with them before for your case the Karaanle associated themselves with the Oromo in the first place. I have seen some clans openly wanting to join the Oromo kilil lax walba meeshay is dhigtaa lagu qalaa let them assimilate, oromo ineey soo dhaweeystaan meysan aheeyn. The Karanle showed some bravery last time and repeled the Oromo after an attack that left 800 Karaanle villagers dead luckily lama barakicin and got backup.

[Bermooda]

You're not making sense sxb how can Karanle fight while at same time associate with Oromo. I know you don't like to hear this but the blame squarely lays with Jigjiga. The Oromo only controls Karanle areas politically not physically.

FYI its not only Karanle areas which lost there are also Dir even Daroods areas if im not mistaken.

[StormShadow]

You're not making sense sxb how can Karanle fight while at same time associate with Oromo. I know you don't like to hear this but the blame squarely lays with Jigjiga. The Oromo only controls Karanle areas politically not physically.

FYI its not only Karanle areas which lost there are also Dir even Daroods areas if im not mistaken.

The Karaanle had no problem with the Oromo till ethnic kilils came thats when the Oromo started kicking them out arguing anagaa soo dajinay somaalidaas meesha.. Mida kale there's Oromo Liyu called PLU or something and they do control those areas. FYI Oromo have not taken any land from Absame it's the other way around, the Absame are slowly coming to Baabile from the fiiq side Oromo do not settle at leaast 100 kms from any Absame town.

This jigjiga admin just formed the liyu about 2008 and late, before that no kilil president left jigjiga 5 kms.

[Bermooda]

Before the ethnic kilil no tribes had problem with each other. Don't know about Oromo being liyu but few years back there was huge clashes there between them and Karanle militia. Addis Ababa got involved and totally removed the liyu.

Look how deep they cut into the Jigjiga zone

[StormShadow]

That cut you see are the hundreds plus Karaanle villages taken into the Oromo kilil. Above the cut is the Dir gobol, so Karaanle areas are supposed to fill the gap.

[Bermooda]

Too much pride is unhealthy sxb. Jigjiga Woreda

[Khalid Ali]

Do the karanle in babile still speak Somali or do they speak afaan oromo?

[StormShadow]

Do the karanle in babile still speak Somali or do they speak afaan oromo?

They do speak Oromo.

Bermooda, What pride sxb? Baabile is Karanle area part of Oromo.