Somalia Vs Somaliland couple 1890s.

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@chillinboy thank you!!!






@Lj good its slightly NSFW.

Finally you saw your ancestors they didn't wear dhuug xitaa

What does " dhuug xitaa" mean? lol but yes...they dressed pretty civilized, pretty cool. i always wondered what traditional somali outfits looked like. all i ever see are batis and men wearing ma3awiiis...

[Xamud.]

Dadka qarkod heer cuqdad intey qaban they have gone to the lengths of distorting history Sheekadu hada waxay mareysa reer hebel baa qawanaa.

They are clearly not Somalis.

BTW Somalia vs Somaliland markad ledahay waxad ku faaneysa Colonial borders, dimwit foqol dimwit.

[PLATINUUM]

Dadka qarkod heer cuqdad intey qaban they have gone to the lengths of distorting history Sheekadu hada waxay mareysa reer hebel baa qawanaa.

They are clearly not Somalis.

BTW Somalia vs Somaliland markad ledahay waxad ku faaneysa Colonial borders, dimwit foqol dimwit.

This is the most intelligent thing anyone has every said on this site!!!!!!!!!!

Ladies and gents we now have hope. Ever since i first joined this site and found out what somaliland was...i kept saying that exact same thing but they were not having it...they were like "oh all of africa was split up by europeans"....but they fail to notice that somalia was always somalia. It was always a and the land we all lived in. The names maybe different, but everything else is the same.

[Xildiiid]

Somalia is an Italian term, it was coined by the Italians and prior to their arrival there was no Somalia.

The Walaweyn and Faqash notion that Europeans carved a homogenous Somali state is ridiculous.

For X.Playa's topic, I can only say tough luck to the people whose ancestors were naked. The people who reacted emotionally were Darood and it was mostly Darood that was naked.

[Xamud.]

Dadka qarkod heer cuqdad intey qaban they have gone to the lengths of distorting history Sheekadu hada waxay mareysa reer hebel baa qawanaa.

They are clearly not Somalis.

BTW Somalia vs Somaliland markad ledahay waxad ku faaneysa Colonial borders, dimwit foqol dimwit.

This is the most intelligent thing anyone has every said on this site!!!!!!!!!!

Ladies and gents we now have hope. Ever since i first joined this site and found out what somaliland was...i kept saying that exact same thing but they were not having it...they were like "oh all of africa was split up by europeans"....but they fail to notice that somalia was always somalia. It was always a and the land we all lived in. The names maybe different, but everything else is the same.

Their entire argument is based on colonial borders I mean I don't mind if the Issaq clan want to go their seperate way, I believe in self-determination for everyone, and besides they have done well for themselves I truly believe they could have done more for themselves if they were recognized as a sovereign nation, god knows Somalia aint coming back anytime soon. But it's the whole bullshit story about the colonial borders that makes me laugh

[Xildiiid]

Our main arguments are based on;

1. The revival of the legitimate state of Somaliland, the first Somali state and 14th country in Africa to gain independence, June 26 - 1960.

2. The illegitimacy of the 1960 "union" with neighboring Somalia.

Africa is based on colonial boundaries, the same goes for Latin America and Asia. The borders of Somalia was created by colonialists. The term Somalia was coined by colonialists. It's truly embarrassing to see how you're indirectly trying to argue for Somalia using the "anti colonialist" card.

You're not a unionists and you're not concerned about Somali unity. You're a Darood who's only objection to Somaliland is clan and the notion that you're entitled to some areas in Somaliland because of your little clan project "Puntland" but tough luck nigga. Ilma "Ma jidho iyo way jidhaa ariboowe" should step up their game and end the useless naag talk.

[Xamud.]

Puntland is a clan project sure I never claimed otherwise, but same goes for Somaliland, if you want to tell yourself otherwise then please do so, but the facts will remain the same, Somaliland waa maamul beleed, nothing to be ashamed of here.

Xududka ay Somaliland sheeganeyso waa colonial borders, and no sane, self-respecting Somali is gonna adhere to borders of a long gone colonist.


If Somaliland is serious about becoming dowlad gaar ah, they should stop claiming land that does not belong to them.

[Xildiiid]

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How is Somaliland a clan project when it's the first Somali state to gain independence and the 14th country in Africa? Is Djibouti a clan state? It's amusing to see Walaweyns and Faqash cry out "Walaalaheena Djibouti", "Wadanka Somaliyeed ee Djibouti", Madaxweynaha Somaliyeed ee Ismaaciil Cumar Geelle" but they're quick to forget, because of jealousy and hatred, that Somaliland precedes both Somalia and Djibouti.

The 5 pointed star on your blue flag represents "Somaliweyn" and the 5 Somali states. The first point representing Somaliland. Puntland, Jubbaland, SW3 and all the other "federal states" are represented by the second point and that is Somalia. The third one is Djibouti.

Your arguments are not based on facts but on hearsay modified by Qabiil bias. The stuff you regurgitate are Darood propaganda, not Xamud's thoughts nor historical facts.

The OAU, an African organization, ratified the Cairo resolution in 1964 and it states that the continent of Africa should be based on colonial boundaries. The only thing saving neighboring Somalia from being annexed by its AMISOM lords is the colonial boundary left by Europeans. Somalia's argument against Kenya's claims on Somalia's waters is once again based on colonial boundaries left by Europeans.


Land that does not belong to who? Every inch of Somaliland belongs to the state of Somaliland. If you subliminally mean Isaaq, well we do not claim Las Anus as an Isaaq city nor do we claim Buhoodle even though it's located in Togdheer (95% Isaaq) and the Darood could be wiped out, Utanga style, and their degaan taken within an hour. We do not claim Boocame, Laas Qoray or Taleex. On the contrary it's your Faqash kin that claim Isaaq cities and deegaans like Ceerigaabo, Laasa Surad, Caynaba, Kalshaale, Qorilugud, Coodanle, among others. Another amusing fact is that, when Daroods say "stop claiming land that doesn't belong to you" they automatically mean Darood towns and for instance they exclude Ciise towns which proves that their arguments are clan motivated.

Dadku kala nasabsan and either way you have no arguments.

[Xamud.]

Dadku kala nasabsan and either way you have no arguments

Hortaa yaad mooday in aad la hadleysid'? ma gudhu yar oo reer konfureed ah? I'm Darood f-king Ismaiil, I am the definition of nasabka aad sheegeysid. save your bragging and bravado for nin aad ka aabo ficantahay.

Back to the subject, Djibouti can't be a tribal state, simply because afar ba dagan oo ah ethnicity kale ah but nice try.


my arguments are based on common sense and reality, we are a tribal society, we settle along the lines of qabiil, how the fuck are you gonna tell me that you, a Issaq, is entitled to Sool and parts of Sanaag? it makes no sense, that's like Puntland claiming Hobyo and Xarardheere. Only time you will be entitled to dhulkas is when you claim it out of Somalinimo.

Now, I don't care for the story behind Somalilands borders, I already know it, some British colonist met with his italian counterpart and together they carved out British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland, do you realize how stupid your claim is?

"Nin cadaan ah oo 100 sano ka hore noola, oo weliba gumeyste ahaa ayaa dhulkan isiiyey" so it belongs to me really?


So let me get this right, you want self-determination, yet you are denying the very same thing for others?

[Xamud.]

Double post.

[Xildiiid]

According to you Somaliland is a clan state because it's dominated by one clan (who's majority) despite history and the independence of Somaliland legitimizing it as a sovereign state. By your logic, Djibouti is also a clan state because it's dominated by Ciise. Afars who's land is 60% of Djibouti have 4 ministries more than Isaaq, who do not have a single district. The Isaaqs being descendants of the business community who settled there in late 1890's.

Your arguments are based on the clan rhetoric of Darood Ismaciil. The argument are not based on facts or common sense, if they were, you wouldn't deny the undeniable.

Of course I'm more entitled to Sool than you are. My family is from Caynaba district and my paternal great grandfather is buried there. I got land in the tuulo he's buried. What's your connection to Sool other than a baseless entitlement? Lol @ Somalinimo.

It seems like you missed my argument completely. You can't see the wood for the trees because of clan emotions. Every inch of Somaliland republic belongs to the state of Somaliland. Isaaq have no interests claiming other peoples land. Our land as well as the land of other clans fall under state jurisdiction.


The colonialists created the concept of a modern Somali state. The same white man you're trying ridicule enabled Somalis to have their own states in the Horn of Africa. If it wasn't for these colonialists, Somalia would lose the current dispute with Kenya about the maritime border between the two states.

Even the concept of "Somaliweyn" was created by and propagated for, by the foreign minister of UK - Ernest Bevin.

I don't get your obsession with colonialism though. Somaliland gained its independence 54 years ago. The AU's position on the borders of Africa is that the colonial boundaries should remain in order to minimize conflict. We won't go against Africa. Simple as that.

I support a UN supervised state referendum on wether Somaliland should legally unite with Somalia or Somaliland regaining its long lost sovereignty. The outcome of such referendum would cement the fate of Somaliland.

Majority rules.

[Togdeer]

Dadku kala nasabsan and either way you have no arguments

Hortaa yaad mooday in aad la hadleysid'? ma gudhu yar oo reer konfureed ah? I'm Darood f-king Ismaiil, I am the definition of nasabka aad sheegeysid. save your bragging and bravado for nin aad ka aabo ficantahay.

Back to the subject, Djibouti can't be a tribal state, simply because afar ba dagan oo ah ethnicity kale ah but nice try.


my arguments are based on common sense and reality, we are a tribal society, we settle along the lines of qabiil, how the fuck are you gonna tell me that you, a Issaq, is entitled to Sool and parts of Sanaag? it makes no sense, that's like Puntland claiming Hobyo and Xarardheere. Only time you will be entitled to dhulkas is when you claim it out of Somalinimo.

Now, I don't care for the story behind Somalilands borders, I already know it, some British colonist met with his italian counterpart and together they carved out British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland, do you realize how stupid your claim is?

"Nin cadaan ah oo 100 sano ka hore noola, oo weliba gumeyste ahaa ayaa dhulkan isiiyey" so it belongs to me really?


So let me get this right, you want self-determination, yet you are denying the very same thing for others?

Half of Sool is Habar Jeclo deegan.
As for Sanaag its an Isaaq Deegan. The leaders have always been Isaaq and so has the mayors of Erigaabo all being HY.
Somaliland has its borders, which we do not claim past. Even though there is a large Isaaq population found in the Hawd, Ethiopia. U don't really see Somaliland claiming these territories.

[theyuusuf143]

my arguments are based on common sense and reality, we are a tribal society, we settle along the lines of qabiil, how the fuck are you gonna tell me that you, a Issaq, is entitled to Sool and parts of Sanaag? it makes no sense, that's like Puntland claiming Hobyo and Xarardheere. Only time you will be entitled to dhulkas is when you claim it out of Somalinimo.

"Nin cadaan ah oo 100 sano ka hore noola, oo weliba gumeyste ahaa ayaa dhulkan isiiyey" so it belongs to me really?


So let me get this right, you want self-determination, yet you are denying the very same thing for others?

it does make sense simply because somaliland is strong enough to rule those areas if we grow stronger we will reclaim the entire hawd province and many other places. both kenya and Ethiopia rule large sections of somali peninsula and you accept their borders, why you cant claim wardher or gaarisa? the reason is not because they (xabashi kenya) are right to rule there but they are stronger than us today ! . same like that we are not wrong to rule any where we want if we have the capabilities or strength to conquer and keep ruling. we know you believe that we are in a weak position to claim those regions but we also know that we are stronger than you. nin xoogle waa dayuus sxb kenyatiga iyo xabashiduba haday dhul kaa haystan maanagaa caano kuu lisayna.

[Xildiiid]

Ninkan Xaamud laba wax baa iskaga khaldan..

He can oppose Somaliland, anigu ma diidani, laakin doodiisa kuma furi karo colonial borders iyo sheekoyinka kale ee uu aduunku maanta shuruucda ka dhigtay and he shouldn't use Puntland or Darood rhetoric.

He should ask himself sincerely, why he opposes Somaliland and then debate us.

[Djiboutian]

Did anything change since??? it seems both people are acting like the way they were dressed 100 years ago.

The photos you posted reminded me of 1970-ish famous Somali chant " Anago raaci mayno reer woqooy rag iyo dumar dadka waalan ... Anago raaci mayno raxanweyn rag iyo dumar dadka qaawan "

I believe the man in the first picture is either Issa or Gadabursi. I can tell from the feather in his head.

I interviewed alot of neighbours who worked in French expeditions in Afar territory in Djibouti border with Eritrea. I recall their stories about Afar women being naked "topless" despite being Muslims. I have an old photo of an Afar girl "topless" but I can't share it here.

People in Somaliland, Djibouti and Reserve Area and Haud differ from those from Somalia and NFD when it comes to attire, folklore and dielect " or should I say the language".