Hiiraan needs intervention

[Khalid Ali]

So the war is because of land dispute ?
By the way Sahal u did not answer the question where is the Dawlad in all of this where are they in this conflict

[zumaale]

Sahal do not twist facts. We have farmed our lands for close to a century and we are not claiming any land which is not ours. Your nomads have got jealous and lusted after it. Like I said we got the registration papers from the days of Kacanka. Our farms are only 20 kms in length at the most. We are not claiming all the riverside land so stop fabicating lies.

[zumaale]

Dowlad, what f-king Dowlad. SNA troops and the Beledweyne admin are all in this on the side of Tolka.

[Khalid Ali]

So the government support the Xawaadles all dirs in Somalia should withdraw support from the SFG is that is the case what i dont understand is how come the Dir in the so called Parliament speak up take a bold statement. if there is no Dowlad than there is the law of the Jungle by the way what type of troops are in the disputed area the Xabashis or ina cumer geeles troops?

[zumaale]

So the government support the Xawaadles all dirs in Somalia should withdraw support from the SFG is that is the case what i dont understand is how come the Dir in the so called Parliament speak up take a bold statement. if there is no Dowlad than there is the law of the Jungle by the way what type of troops are in the disputed area the Xabashis or ina cumer geeles troops?

We Surres are always in the media, politicians and elders. It doesn't make a difference if we withdraw from the government as there is no real government, it is a mafia protected by the AU. It is the law of the jungle and some clans have access to SNA resources like Xawadle whilst we rely on Qaran. The Djiboutians cannot openly side with us for Qabil reasons as they are there on a AU mandate and when they tried to relocate to the war zones, President Xassan ordered that the Beledweyne admin and elders should resolve matters.

However much Sahal twists things, all non Xawadle clans in Hiiraan bear witness that the underlying cause of this conflict is Surre farmlands and Xawadle's lust for them. How can they ask us to forfeit what is ours when they have all that riverside land in Hiiraan, wax caqli gaaleyso maahan.

[Khalid Ali]

So this like an extension of the Lower shabelle conflict agricultural land dispute , the Dir mps should raise awareness and Question the legitimacy of the Hiiraan admin.. U mean Qaraan lacagta tolka ay bxiyaan.. Forget about Djibouti Ismaciil cumar geele cant do anything for Ciises in Shinile, what Surre need to do collect more funds and train their troops in Kilinka shanaad, while the Dirs in the Parliament should question the legitimacy of the Hiiraan Admin and the SFG role. Also Media coverage of the conflict should be brought. Media coverage is very important.

[sahal80]

So the war is because of land dispute ?
By the way Sahal u did not answer the question where is the Dawlad in all of this where are they in this conflict

yes 100% a land that's no mans land wich is good for the livestock and plantation. Zumaale claims having kacaan papers lol why its empty land then? As far i know kacaan was socialist state and had police nomads who were called daraawiish that use to settle the clan desputes to the point of taking from both of them their herds and giving them to the state let alone farms!


The govt is busy on al shabaab and involving in clan isssues is not wise at this time

Hiiraan SNA is 80% hawadle, fully equiped and can manage this shyt but dir sees them as hawadle

Amisoms mandate doesn't include the clan disputes, they don't play police role. An amisom police will at the end replace the current forces after their mission comes to end

Djibouti forces r great and can manage this but they have some problems

Not being enough for the region and if they place there some of their troops al shabaab can eat them easily

Al shabaab has attacked two times mustaxil inside ethiopia from the west side

Ethiopia has less troops in hiiraan than the other regions and also djibouti has the mandate or the commond in there

Ethiopians don't partake the operations or hardly move abit when djibouti is operating along the SNA and then go back to their mountain

The administration is aligned with the govt and there's a secret khilaf between ethiopia and the govt over its supposed role in hiiraan

Ethiopia has asked laqanyo to merge his troops with ahlusunna and fight together in ceelbuur and hiiraan via wabxo

When he refused this, they rejected to join the operations

This new governor was brought back to balance between djibouti and etthiopia since he knows ethiopia

What I mean is govt doesn't want hiiraan to be another ahlusunna so its careful from them getting closer to the admin specially the formation of the federal state wich ethiopia likes to control it from hiiraan

Abdifatah would have liked to work only with ethiopia but the clan supports the president that's why he can't

Mayor of beledweyne is cabdalle, represents hassan sheekh in there, they are his mothers jufo

So we have conflict in the admin right now

So conflict of interests r not helping the situation in there.

[sahal80]

So this like an extension of the Lower shabelle conflict agricultural land dispute , the Dir mps should raise awareness and Question the legitimacy of the Hiiraan admin.. U mean Qaraan lacagta tolka ay bxiyaan.. Forget about Djibouti Ismaciil cumar geele cant do anything for Ciises in Shinile, what Surre need to do collect more funds and train their troops in Kilinka shanaad, while the Dirs in the Parliament should question the legitimacy of the Hiiraan Admin and the SFG role. Also Media coverage of the conflict should be brought. Media coverage is very important.

lol how can you compare the two places? Hiiraan specially east of the river is 98% hawadle

We have given them the right to live peacefully with us

In lower shabelle there's SNA militias confrontation, the admin of marka is involved and talks to the media so r guutada sedexaad from shalambood

That place is baadiyo and there's no police or SNA in the first place

Confrontations in lower shabelle happens in the towns as an extension of HG farmers being targeted by biimaal

HG SNA is saving them

Biimaale SNA is based in number 50 and marka and is involved too

That's why an SNA and police from xamar were brought to marka

We don't need to use the SNA against two reer lol

Check out these militia of deefow who r wearing dusty and old clothes

100% they r clan militia NOT SNA!!

Who funds them? Their clan just like the dir.

[Bro]

Kabxanley iyo Deefow are controlled by the rightful owners. If you disagree, show me one proof ? Either way its in your best interest to settle for peace, as I'm hearing Ogaden are looking to score age old unresolved conflict. Its only a matter time before everyone see's the opportunist nature of your clan that can't subdue two neighboring subsubsubsubsubsub clan involved in a flounder flapping for nearly two years "in a sea of Hawiye" as you so put it. You see how this can be perceived friable, and quite the detriment to your supposed throne known as hiiraan.

[sahal80]

Zumaale

Hope this link works for you

I depend on xogta not the websites

As I said cid deefow heesato ma jirta waa lago wada jiraa!

"The situation in the area of Deefow is calm following a gun battle pitting two clan militia that left 12 people dead yesterday.  The fight also left another nine people injured.
Some of the residents who spoke to Radio Bar-kulan said the area was calm, even though the warring sides are still on their same spots following the fighting yesterday."
http://www.bar-kulan.com/2015/03/22/cal ... to-deefow/

[original dervish]

The situation in Hiiraan is a microcosm of Somalia.....intransigence, greed, violence and destruction.

[zumaale]

Sahal, I can provide countless of links from Jowhar.com to Allidamale.com but the point remains that your clan was dislodged from their defences and now it is your turn to remove us from those same defences you were previously in. You guys are on the outside trying to take us out. There is every chance you will do it but for how long will you keep us out. Remember how you were boasting on that thread about Gelle and Culusoow visiting Beledweyne that there is no way we can attack Deefow again. Well Saturday illustrates how we can. Like it or not there will always be war as long as you guys cannot keep to your territory. Answer my question, why are you guys still attacking our villages whilst you hypocritically talk of us being spoilers? Make the effort by stopping your dhulmi, Allah yarak.

[Bro]

Maanta oo Sabti ah Taariikhduna Tahay 28-3-2015 waxaa Dhoola tus milatari ku sameeyay Magaalada Kabxanleey Ciidamada Beelweeynta Surre, Dhoola tuska Maanta dhacay waxaa ka Qayb Qaatay Ciidamada Sida Gaarka u tababaran ee Beelweeynta Surre,

Gaashaanle Sare Maxamed Jiilba Jiil oo aan kula kulanay Goobta uu dhoola Tusku ka dhacaayay ayaa inoo sheegay in Ciidamadan ay Mar walba Diyaar u yihiin Difaaca dhulkooda isla markaana ayana marna ka heeybeeysan doonin Cid Walba oo uu Damac ka galo Dhulka Surre,

Jiilba Jiil oo hadalkiisa sii wata ayaa sheegay in Saraakiisha Sare iyo Ciidamada Beelweeynta Surre aysan Diyaar u ahayn in ay gardaroodaan Laakiin aaneey marna Ogolaan doonin Xadgudub dhankale uga yimaada Innaga waxaa hogaan noo ah Ku dhaqanka Shareecada sida ay qabto,

Mar aan wax ka weeydiinay dagaaladii Maalintii shalay dhacay waxuu noo sheegay in ay jab weeyn u saariyeen Qolooyinkii soo weerar isla markaana ay siiyeen Cashar u qalma Gardaradooda Wuxuuna yiri Soo joog Ninkii diidaa soo jiifaa laga helaa Nin Gardaro aaminay Guul ka dheer,

Mar aan wax ka weeydiinay Sheegashada Beesha Bariga Baladweeyne in aa tihiin isbahaysi, Jiilba Jiil oo Qoslaaya ayaa yiri Beesha Bariga Baladweeyne Wax ka degtaa waxaan leeyahay ma jiro wax isbaheeysi la yiraah waxaad is heeysaan Cutubyo kamid ah Ciidamada Beelweeynta Surre oo kaashanaaya Allaha Xaqa lagu caabudo ee aan marna ogoleeyn dulmiga ee waa wareeyda iska daaya Taas badalkeedna u Noqda alaha awooda leh oo iska iloowa dulmiga iyo dhulboobka aad ku hamineeysaan,

Lasoco Qaybaha danbe Wareeysiga aan la yeelanay Gaashaanle Sarre Jiilba Jiil iyo waxyaabo Xiiso leh oo uu ka hadlay,