Can we say Europeans had any great civilisations before 300 years ago

[WaaliCas]

Just remember the British empire was not only built with intellectual rationalism as you put it, but by brute force , cruelty and the lives of many people , and this does not only apply to the Brits but to every empire that existed and every empire that has yet to come . Humans naturally cannot excel without there being tyranny and death , the seed to progress is death and suffering.

Actually compared to any other empire, the British was the least brutal and hardly used force to acquire territories or goods and resources. The British came up with very innovative and in-genius ways to acquire the most territory in the shortest time and with the least resources than any other empire.

They rallied on their ideological thoughts, vision and corporates backed by heavily educated men in pursuit of finding facts. Before armies and even governments discovered, ordinary British men took up own initiatives to explore and find ways to expand the British values. Take for example David Livingstone, the Scotsman, who explored eastern and southern Africa. He is the one who renamed the Victoria falls and before him the Europeans didn't know there were rivers in southern Africa such as the Zambezi.

John Darwin argues the British Empire was distinguished by the adaptability of its builders. Darwin says, "The hallmark of British imperialism was its extraordinary versatility in method, outlook and object."

The British tried to avoid military action in favour of reliance on networks of local elites and businessmen who voluntarily collaborated and in turn gained authority (and military protection) from British recognition.

British instead rallied on monetary policy backed with strong mercantilism views, which the likes of Adam Smith, the gifted political economist, helped develop.

[TheMightyNomad]

All continents have their foundations BC.

Europe has Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome as the foundation.
Asia has Mesopotamia, Ancient India, Ancient China etc. as the foundation
Africa has Ancient Egypt.
North/South-America has the ancient Olmec and Mayan civilizations.

Egypt is not Africa, lol watch from 1:37:

This afronutt case is confusing west africa for the whole continent of Africa! He excluded Ethiopia and somalia in his nonsensical rambling cuz i guess we dont fit into that crap!

disguting AAs! dont know a single damn thing about the continent of Africa!

[TheMightyNomad]

BTW Somalis never had any civilization of any kind. The Las Geel cave paintings make no reference to Somalis nor can that be regarded as a civilization. If anything they give us a frame shot of what life was like in this region some 5,000 years ago, which contradicts what Somalis claim that they are the offspring of an Arab holyman who impregnanted all the local girls some 900 years ago

Soooo much self hate in this thread people are shooting themselves in the foot alright! all of these black, arab and habashi claimers prove how much inferiority ridden pieces of shit they are!

let me qarbash you like i always do

BTW Somalis never had any civilization of any kind.

From the official Website of Africa.com

http://www.africa.com/somalia/about/

Ancient tombs, ruins, and walls such as the Wargaade Wall are evidence of a sophisticated civilization that was once present in the Somali peninsula. This civilization had an ancient writing system that is still not deciphered. This, and the fact that they traded with the Ancient Egyptians and Greeks, supports the view that this was the ancient Kingdom of Punt.

no reference to Somalis nor can that be regarded as a civilization.

Periplus of the Erythraean Sea byAncient Greek Writer Herododuts

Main article: Opone
Ras Hafun in northern Somalia is believed to be the location of the ancient trade center of Opone. Ancient Egyptian, Roman and Persian Gulf pottery has been recovered from the site by an archaeological team from the University of Michigan. Opone is in the thirteenth entry of the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, which in part states:
"And then, after sailing four hundred stadia along a promontory, toward which place the current also draws you, there is another market-town called Opone, into which the same things are imported as those already mentioned, and in it the greatest quantity of cinnamon is produced, (the arebo and moto), and slaves of the better sort, which are brought to Egypt in increasing numbers; and a great quantity of tortoiseshell, better than that found elsewhere."
—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Chap.13[10]
In ancient times, Opone operated as a port of call for merchants from Phoenicia, Egypt, Greece, Persia, Yemen, Nabataea, Azania, the Roman Empire and elsewhere, as it possessed a strategic location along the coastal route from Azania to the Red Sea. Merchants from as far afield as Indonesia and Malaysia passed through Opone, trading spices, silks and other goods, before departing south for Azania or north to Yemen or Egypt on the trade routes that spanned the length of the Indian Ocean's rim. As early as 50 CE, Opone was well known as a center for the cinnamon trade, along with the trading of cloves and other spices, ivory, exotic animal skins and incense.
Malao[edit]
Main article: Malao (ancient)
The ancient port city of Malao, situated in present-day Berbera in northwestern Somalia, is also mentioned in the Periplus:
"After Avalites there is another market-town, better than this, called Malao, distant a sail of about eight hundred stadia. The anchorage is an open roadstead, sheltered by a spit running out from the east. Here the natives are more peaceable. There are imported into this place the things already mentioned, and many tunics, cloaks from Arsinoe, dressed and dyed; drinking-cups, sheets of soft copper in small quantity, iron, and gold and silver coin, not much. There are exported from these places myrrh, a little frankincense, (that known as far-side), the harder cinnamon, duaca, Indian copal and macir, which are imported into Arabia; and slaves, but rarely."
—Periplus of the Erythraean Sea, Chap.8[10]

Ancient somalis aka Puntites aka Barbaroi

the Barbaroi are recorded in the 1st century Greek document the Periplus of the Erythraean Sea as engaging in extensive commercial exchanges with Egypt and Pre-Islamic Arabia. The travelogue mentions the Barbaroi trading frankincense, among various other commodities, through their port cities such as Avalites (modern Zeila). Competent seamen, the Periplus' author also indicates that they sailed throughout the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden for trade. The document describes the Barbaroi's system of governance as decentralized, and essentially consisting of a collection of autonomous city-states

If anything they give us a frame shot of what life was like in this region some 5,000 years ago, which contradicts what Somalis claim that they are the offspring of an Arab holyman who impregnanted all the local girls some 900 years ago

Says the The guys who claims isaaq and dir had a habesha mother

And BTW stonhenge isnt a valid sign of any civilization they dont know if man did it or if a nature or some natural chatastrophe did it! The Europigs excluding the romans/greeks were uncivilized mudhutt living cannibals who frequently ate i eachother to survive the winter

[WaaliCas]

^^ you must have spent hours collecting all that fiction. I don't have time nor is it worth it but we know there is nothing to tie Somalis to that. Until 1970s they haven't had any written language and that itself is evidence that they never had any form of civilization. Why bother collect all kinds of fictional stories just to go ancestral shopping?

This is a kid who claimed Egyptian, Berber, Moors, Beja, Indians to Bantu instruments. We will add Puntite fiction to his list and of course the Macrobians.

Somalis never saw any civilization or state for that matter until June 26th 1960.

In short Somalia has no evidence of Puntit of any magnitude be it physical or record. Just a speculations and in my world not good enough. I support hard facts. For example Egypt has pyramids, China has the great wall, Italy has its Roman structures and Ethiopia has the Axum and Geez script. What can Somalia show us that we can go and visit and feel it?



Fictional stories are good for bed room to inspire children in their imaginations and those who chase empty pride but man like myself demand facts and physical proof.

[TheMightyNomad]

Africa in ancient times

Nubia



Ancient Egypt



Ancient Aksum




Europe in Early Medieval time






Dr. YALAXOOW you just prove me right when you post bulshitt! like this! Pro black people are inferiority ridden shitts!

[TheMightyNomad]

^^ you must have spent hours collecting all that fiction. I don't have time nor is it worth it but we know there is nothing to tie Somalis to that. Until 1970s they haven't had any written language and that itself is evidence that they never had any form of civilization. Why bother collect all kinds of fictional stories just to go ancestral shopping?

This is a kid who claimed Egyptian, Berber, Moors, Beja, Indians to Bantu instruments. We will add Puntite fiction to his list and of course the Macrobians.

Somalis never saw any civilization or state for that matter until June 26th 1960.

LOOOOLL!!!!! HAHAHA! what an idiot! Walugu karbaashay warye... mawduucan iska dhaaf


just go claim Claim that northern Somali Clans are habehsa stick to your expertize ok before you critisize & disregard facts.

Btw Somalis did indeed have ancient writing script from
The writing of the Somali language: A Great Landmark in Our Revolutionary History,
https://books.google.com/books?id=v-GwA ... dir_esc=yo

According to the Ministry of Information and National Guidance of Somalia, inscriptions featuring the ancient script are particularly noteworthy on the various old Taalo Tiiriyaad structures. the ancient script has also been found on old coins in various parts of Somalia

They found ancient somali coins along with ancient script and ancient stone tablets with somali ancient script as well!


I've transcribed the essential parts of what the Ministry writes on the ancient Somali script below, including the exact locations in Somalia where some of the inscriptions are found:

The Writing of the Somali Language: A Great Landmark in Our Revolutionary History
By Wasaaradda Warfaafinta iyo Hanuuninta Dadweynaha

pages 1-3:

An important point which is often lost sight of is that the ancient Somalis had evolved their own script systems which existed for a considerable period in their history. Convincing historical evidence in this respect is the numerous inscriptions and rockpaintings on cave-walls, on granite rocks, old coins etc., that are found to this day in various parts of the country. Some important sites where ancient inscriptions on cave-walls exist are reported as follows:

1. Godka Xararka in Las Anod District.
2. Qubiyaaley in Las Anod District.
3. Hilayo in Las Khoray District.
4. Karin Heeggane in Las Khoray District.
5. Dhalanle in Las Khoray District.

The most noteworthy of these inscriptions are undoub- edly those found on the mysterious «Taalo Tiiriyaad». These are huge stone mounds which are dotted about in northeastern Somalia and are a veritable archaeological riddle, since it is hard to tell when and for what purpose they were constructed. Noteworthy Taalo sites are in places such as:

1. Baar Madhere in Beledweyne District.
2. Xabaalo Ambiyad in Alula District.
3. Harti Yimid in Las Anod District.

Yet, these strange edifices must have had a definite purpose. Local opinion holds that they used to serve as altars or as sorts of religious monuments in the era when nature-worship was practised in the Land; still others consider that the Taalos mark ancient graveyards in which were buried important personages — chieftains, rulers, etc. together with their personal effects. In any case, these mute sentinels could, no doubt, tell much about the country's cultural and historical past and give us a glimpse into the life-story of by-gone ages. Although it is difficult to determine what caused the ancient Somalian system of writing to disappear altogether and how long it flourished, etc., there is no doubt that the encroachment of foreign cultures had greatly contributed to its final decline and disappearance. An interesting point, however, is that this script system was apparently based on vowel sound, not a Word-Picture writing as in ancient Egypt. As generations succeeded one another and people acquired better technical and scientific knowledge there were constant reforms and improvements called forth by the new social conditions of the age. This process might have been repeated over and over again in subsequent periods in the history of the land, until the very old forms of Somalian script finally died out and were completely forgotten by later generations.

Bro You lack knowledge you write and blabber on about European and Habesha romanticized fiction!

[WaaliCas]

Meaningless essays. End of the day there no physical evidence of any of those in Somalia.

Name one location that I can visit to see any object from this imaginary Puntit and please don't name Garowe and Abdillahi Yusuf's house.

If you can't produce evidence like the other countries its best to rest those essays which are only another man's own madness.

All just bed time stories.

[ZubeirAwal]

WaliCas unlike other African and Middle Eastern 19th-20th century archeological discoveries, there has been no archeological project in Somaliland or Somalia, in a place with alot of sand, entire cities can be buried beneath the ground, if the Europeans did not excavate Sumeria in the 19th century, you would be saying the same thing as you are saying now regarding the ancient history of the Somali people.

[ZubeirAwal]

PS you are being very narrow minded about this saxib, the Somali coat more than likely made contact with multiple civilizations due to it's geographical importance.

[ZubeirAwal]

[WaaliCas]

ZubeitAwal,

Until there is evidence and physical presence it remains what it is--unknown and none existent.

I am all about facts and the fact is you can't say to me today visit such and such to see such. So there isnno need for speculations and what if this and that.

Until evidence are found Somalia began 1960 and ceased 1991.

No doubt Somalia sits on strategic location but locations don't always create civilizations. Take for example today, Somalia still sits on strategic land yet it has no government. The same was true about its ancient past. Few empires had visited like the US drones but that doesn't make Somalia a civilization like Washington.

[TheMightyNomad]

Walicaas you dhoqon


here's https://books.google.com/books?id=YQRZA ... edir_esc=y Siad Barre discussing the ancient Somali script, and why his administration settled on the Latin script over the other Somali writing systems:

We find the Roman alphabet more convenient. It is also international. Most of intellectuals and literate citizens are used to it, and our imported equipment are described in Roman alphabet. Technically, we find its use more viable then any other script. For instance, we have an ancient Somali script which, if we were to get emotional, we would have adopted, but we did not, because we believe in reality. As a free people, we met without the so-called foreign experts, asked ourselves which script would best serve our modern needs, and decided on Roman alphabet. As you know, the use of this new alphabet is now a national fact.

Hawdian how long are you going to continue this Habashi and British cocksucking charade? How long will take before you realize you are Somali and not habashi?

I have never seen someone as stupid as you look at facts written and straight out disregard it! You are delutional

[ZubeirAwal]

Is WaliCas Hawdian? No wonder the Mengistu DP.

[WaaliCas]

Thekid,

You are unable to debate nor provide my requested evidence thus trying to cover your empty pride with childish outburst and profanity like a little girl on her periods. Maybe time to change tampon abaayo.

Somalia never had any ancient script. Boramawi script and the Osmaniya are very present. Early 19th century. For a country that began 1960, indeed 1930s is ancient.

No evidence nor any site to visit. I am done dealing with little emotional kids just copying and pasting things of which they understand not.

Name this ancient script. Name is needed and rest assured you will not find anything beyond the religious script by the Boramawi sheikh of 1933.

[TheMightyNomad]

Meaningless essays. End of the day there no physical evidence of any of those in Somalia.

Name one location that I can visit to see any object from this imaginary Puntit and please don't name Garowe and Abdillahi Yusuf's house.

If you can't produce evidence like the other countries its best to rest those essays which are only another man's own madness.

All just bed time stories.

The evidence is there you dumbfuck!! are you blind or something!! screw you idiotic Troll!!

See the ancient ruins buildings can be find all over the horn and if you read anything i posted you would Know!

The evidence are the psychal findings found via archeological explorations you retard! first you say there is no refrences even do there are thousands now you say there are psychal evidence even tho they found them all over the place!

I cannot believe you sit here and deny what the ancient greeks wrote and deny what the archeological findings reported and also deny the Ministry of Information and National Guidance of Somalia. You are an idiot!

You even have a book show casing all the artifacts findings (physical evidence)

Displaying the punitite artifacts i showed you above shown in somali channel on display even the book written about it!



They even wrote a damn book about it for god sake