Can we say Europeans had any great civilisations before 300 years ago

[WaaliCas]

Bed time story chaser,

As I expected you are unable to name a single site that has any physical evidence of any civilization.

You are a shameless insecure kid who will chase all the fairytales just to boost empty and none existent pride and ego.

Look every country on earth that claims to have had ancient civilization produces physical evidence that a world wonders.

Somalia has none and its best shot is pile of rocks said to be "tombs" and no one visits them, not even locals.

You can't find any material in the ancient script you claimed and failed to understand that Barre was talking about 1933 Borama alphabet.

Again you produced a silly photo of small object that could havr been made in the backyard of theYuusuf's house. No evidence just a picture of small sculpture.

It's not even clear where it was photographed. It is not on display in any where in Somalia.

The bed time stories continue as are the emotional boil over due to the Ras delivering his deadly debate yet again.

Now entertain youself so and don't be dishardened but always pursue pure education not to hide insecurities.

My job is done here.

[TheMightyNomad]

WaliCas unlike other African and Middle Eastern 19th-20th century archeological discoveries, there has been no archeological project in Somaliland or Somalia, in a place with alot of sand, entire cities can be buried beneath the ground, if the Europeans did not excavate Sumeria in the 19th century, you would be saying the same thing as you are saying now regarding the ancient history of the Somali people.

That is what the Ministry of Information states, sxb.

Up until around the 1950s, it was generally believed by mainstream scholars that Sudan's history was considerably more rudimentary than that of its Egyptian neighbor to the north. Only a few authorities asserted otherwise. Fast forward a half century and many in-depth excavations later, and the total number of pyramids that have been discovered in Sudan almost twice outnumber those found in Egypt.

Somalia is now where Sudan was in 1950. It's virgin territory. Had there not been a civil war, we can be pretty certain that many new discoveries would have been uncovered throughout the country. With proper direction, however, the potential is still very much there.

So far, there have only been two major national excavations. One was conducted in the 1970s by a Somali-British team of researchers and was funded by the Kacaan government. The other was a Russian-led expedition around the same period. The Russians didn't widely publish their results. However, the Somali-British team did release their findings, and they came upon many ancient monuments, tombs, coins, etc. That's just one expedition, mind you. Imagine what archaeologists excavating full-time like they do in the Nile Valley would recover.

[mahoka]

Warya shut up my daddy is Iraqi (Idoor), nigger my daddy is yemen (jebarti), nigger I don't even know who my daddy is (hutu), nigger I don't know too (Dir)

Isaaq = 50% T-M184 / 50% E-V32
Darood = 80% E-V32, 10% T-M184, 10% J-M267
Hawiye = 90% E-V32, 10% T-M184
Dir = 90% T-M184, 10% E-V32

When did you become dna expert, seems all runaways have some form of expertise but all are unemployed

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Mahoka ! Hawiyes daddy is irir Samaale. The origine of. Samaale aka soomaal people.

[mahoka]

Mahoka ! Hawiyes daddy is irir Samaale. The origine of. Samaale aka soomaal people.

So how come hawiye don't know about him, all they say is irir, nothing else

[TheMightyNomad]

Bed time story chaser,

As I expected you are unable to name a single site that has any physical evidence of any civilization.

i did provide! why do you just ignore it? i enlisted all the sites and the former page and you called it meaningless essays!

Ancient Ruins in Ainabo - Central Somaliland

The site, which I am referring to, is located near Ainabo in eastern Somaliland. The area extends about 15km long and 5km wide. It comprises of three distinct sites starting from Badwein in the east, Halibixisay in the middle and Cayaarsalaqle

ALula , hafun Botialat Haylan, Qa’ableh, Qombo'ul, El Ayo, Damo, Maydh and Heis

You are a shameless insecure kid who will chase all the fairytales just to boost empty and none existent pride and ego.

OK!

Look every country on earth that claims to have had ancient civilization produces physical evidence that a world wonders.

Are you stupid? Do you even know the meaning of civilization?

Somalia has none and its best shot is pile of rocks said to be "tombs" and no one visits them, not even locals.

Nope it does not it has ruined houses huge waals Pyramid structure tombs! Who knows they will very much find more grand huge monuments once they start excavating properly and launch for scale excavations !

You can't find any material in the ancient script you claimed and failed to understand that Barre was talking about 1933 Borama alphabet.

i showed you a source for it by the very somali language institute itself! it is sad you sit here and deny it!

Again you produced a silly photo of small object that could havr been made in the backyard of theYuusuf's house. No evidence just a picture of small sculpture.

Ok! showing sculptures of ancient somalis is no evidence! if that doesnt say much about ur whole spewl of denial game then i dont know what!
Heck even book was written on it search The mystery of the land of the punt unravelled!


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t's not even clear where it was photographed. It is not on display in any where in Somalia.

Very clear actually its says somali channel on it

Watch video they have it on display talking about northern Somali Civilizations and history

The bed time stories continue as are the emotional boil over due to the Ras delivering his deadly debate yet again.

Yeah i guess the bed time stories your mom tells you about being a inferior habash slave is emotional boil over due!

Now entertain youself so and don't be dishardened but always pursue pure education not to hide insecurities.

Says the somali who claim he is habashi and that northern somalis like dir and isaaq descend from Xabash mom!

[WaaliCas]

^^^none sense but keep telling youself that. Ainaba doesn't have a structure bigger than Wajale to this day let alone any ancient site or structure.

These guys are talking about piles of rocks the size of a carpet.

Thanks for the joke little boy but I won't visit no Alula nor Ainaba to see pile of rocks said to be ancient burial sites and even if they are that's no civilization. The present day Somali grave yards are far more advanced and yet that is no civilization itself either.

You haven't named that ancient script either because the minister was talking about 1933 Borama alphabet. You saw him use the word ancient and that was good enough for you but rational people demand a name and era.

That little sculpture could be from the net and even if it was unearthed in Hargeisa, it could have been imported by a man passing through.

It's just a small sculpture nothing civilization about it and it's not on display in any location and that tells you how irrelevant and even scam it is.

Just because you got schooled, there is no need to talk about mothers but I forgive you since you are highly unstable kid whose emotions are still like a little girl.

I'm out son. Better luck next time and don't give up on the fairytale stories.

[TheMightyNomad]

^^^none sense but keep telling youself that. Ainaba doesn't have a structure bigger than Wajale to this day let alone any ancient site or structure.

These guys are talking about piles of rocks the size of a carpet.

i think you are confusing what im talking about with the grand habash civilization you speak of



look Look a sophisticated grand civilization!

Thanks for the joke little boy but I won't visit no Alula nor Ainaba to see pile of rocks said to be ancient burial sites and even if they are that's no civilization.

I listed a number of sites you keep mentioning two of them why? There are Pyramids Huge Walls and ruins from ancient ports cities! Big Stone Monuments just like all of my sources say!

the present day Somali grave yards are far more advanced and yet that is no civilization itself either.

I'm out son.

Ok Walaal if you can provide me one book or a source that says that or refute any of my facts! then ill give the Habash adopting agency a call to adopt you as compencation alright?

[mahoka]

Self hating is a sign that your family was slaves who learned somalk

[SahanGalbeed]

They're all Europeans the Greek and the Italians as well as the northerners .
What you're alluding to my friend is what HG Wells called the community of "obedience" and the community of "will" .
The first as their name indicate have a horizontal structure { class system } and the others are the more nomadic equalitarian type .

The ancient southern Europeans { Rome, Greece}, the Japanese are communities of"obedience".
the Northern mostly protestestant Europeans as well many "islamic" societies are communities of the" will". Look at the Catholic Church for example who took on the role of the spiritual leader for a long time , they were giving people superstition , images to worship until a guy like Luther rebelled and translated the Bible in German { whoa, big scandal !} .


In fact it is the ORDER in the rule of Law that got everybody ahead , man made rules as well as their "work ethic" .
They don't fall from the sky , people are taught these things and so shall we learn insha Allah

[Basra-]

The Greeks, The Italians, The Spaniards--they ALL have something in common. Darker skin, less colored eyes-- dark hair majority. This tells me--this species is connected to the original specie of humanity-- The African. Therefore, they possess the African adoon mentality and laziness or work ethics. These nations can never be called "work bees" More like six months a year of vacation work insects, drinking tea and walking with slippers or sandals in leisure all day, and expect to be paid for it.

The English, The Germans, The Scandinavians are pure breed of race who are furthest from their barbaric ancestry>

[Bilis]

Can we say Europeans had any great civilisations that contributed to the world 300 years ago. I mean other then Rome which was copied from great middle eastern empires at the time time was there another another European civilisation. So a whole continent had only one copied civilisation. The western parts were so uncivilized they had to build walls.

The oldest European artifact and historical site is four stones in a circle , I mean their greatest ancient achievement was putting 5 stones in a circle , pardon my harshness but that is not the mark of a civilisation let alone a great one. I mean our somali ancestors were painting caves with great beauty 9000 years ago and that is just one of the thousands of other artifacts and historical sites in our region region. So it is safe to say that somalis were certainly a great civilisation.

Before anyone says Greece remember they their location, they are euro Asians like turkey and to describe them as Europeans is a lie, Europeans have claimed them

There were actually other civilizations in Europe before the Hellenic culture of ancient Greece and Rome. One of the earliest such civilizations was the Vinča culture in southeastern Europe. It flourished some time during the Neolithic, and produced its own interesting cultural objects and artifacts.

You are certainly right, though, saxiib in that our Somali ancestors also had their own well-developed civilization in the Horn. There are several stelae in the Burco area, platform monuments in Bari, castles in Qandala, cisterns in konfuurta, ancient cairns in the Ogaden, Djibouti and NFD, etc. In Mudun alone, there are around 2,000 mysterious old stone tombs, all shaped like domes. Interestingly, the inhabitants of the ancient Land of Punt lived in houses of that type. So these tombs and many of the other ancient structures in the Somali territories may in fact date from that early period.

[Basra-]

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You are certainly right, though, saxiib in that our Somali ancestors also had their own well-developed civilization in the Horn. There are several stelae in the Burco area, platform monuments in Bari, castles in Qandala, cisterns in konfuurta, ancient cairns in the Ogaden, Djibouti and NFD, etc. In Mudun alone, there are around 2,000 mysterious old stone tombs, all shaped like domes. Interestingly, the inhabitants of the ancient Land of Punt lived in houses of that type. So these tombs and many of the other ancient structures in the Somali territories may in fact date from that early period.

Wow..... Bliss---u r Blissfully a dreamer!

[Bilis]

Wow..... Bliss---u r Blissfully a dreamer!

I sure am, abaayo!

"Between Las Koray and Elayo is Karinhegane where there are rock paintings of animals, and also some fascinating paintings of animals that are either extinct or are mythical. There are inscriptions beneath each painting, none of which has been deciphered, and it has been suggested these are 2,500 years old. About 5 km away, further into the mountains is another site, Hilayo, with similar paintings and inscriptions. In the Wadi valley at Mudun, there are the ruins of an ancient settlement which was clearly a substantial town. There are the remains of three large mosques, and about 2 thousand tombs."

Our Puntite ancestors were even more blissful dreamers, though.

[Alpharabius]

Just remember the British empire was not only built with intellectual rationalism as you put it, but by brute force , cruelty and the lives of many people , and this does not only apply to the Brits but to every empire that existed and every empire that has yet to come . Humans naturally cannot excel without there being tyranny and death , the seed to progress is death and suffering.

Actually compared to any other empire, the British was the least brutal and hardly used force to acquire territories or goods and resources. The British came up with very innovative and in-genius ways to acquire the most territory in the shortest time and with the least resources than any other empire.

They rallied on their ideological thoughts, vision and corporates backed by heavily educated men in pursuit of finding facts. Before armies and even governments discovered, ordinary British men took up own initiatives to explore and find ways to expand the British values. Take for example David Livingstone, the Scotsman, who explored eastern and southern Africa. He is the one who renamed the Victoria falls and before him the Europeans didn't know there were rivers in southern Africa such as the Zambezi.

John Darwin argues the British Empire was distinguished by the adaptability of its builders. Darwin says, "The hallmark of British imperialism was its extraordinary versatility in method, outlook and object."

The British tried to avoid military action in favour of reliance on networks of local elites and businessmen who voluntarily collaborated and in turn gained authority (and military protection) from British recognition.

British instead rallied on monetary policy backed with strong mercantilism views, which the likes of Adam Smith, the gifted political economist, helped develop.

Yes , the british ruled with excellence ,they didn't watch millions of indians starve to death while they exported their grains and spices abroad












The Amritsar massacre

On April 13, 1919, thousands of peaceful protesters defied a government order and demonstrated against British rule in Amritsar, India. Men, women, and children all descended on the walled Jallianwala Gardens, hoping to make their voices heard. What happened next was one of the lowest points in British history.At 4.30pm, troops blocked the exits to the Garden and opened fire on the crowd. They kept firing until they ran out of ammunition. In the space of ten minutes, they killed between 379 and 1,000 protesters and injured another 1,100. A stampede caused a lethal crush by the blocked exits. Over 100 women and children who looked for safety in a well drowned. Rifle fire tore the rest to shreds. When the news reached London, Parliament was so shocked it recalled the man who ordered the massacre, Brigadier Reginald Dyer. In a depressing twist of fate, the British public labeled him a hero and raised £26,000 (around $900,000 in today’s money) for “the man who saved India.” He died peacefully, convinced right to the end that his mindless slaughter had been morally justifiable.

They also ruled Africa with love and compassion





They had concentration camps were boers and bantus were worked to death.

We all now know about the horrors of concentration camps, but during the time of Boer Wars, rounding up tens of thousands of innocent people and detaining them in camps seemed like a stroke of genius. The British needed the South African populace under control and had the means and manpower to detain them. What could possibly go wrong?Try just about everything. Pitched under the white hot African sun and crawling with flies, the camps were overcrowded, underequipped, and lethally prone to disease outbreaks. Food supplies were virtually non-existent, and the callous guards would dock people’s meager rations for the slightest perceived offense. The result: sickness and death spread like wildfire, killing women by the thousands and children by the tens of thousands. In a single year, 10 percent of the entire Boer population died in the British camps—a figure that gets even worse when you realize it includes 22,000 children. But the atrocity didn’t stop there. While rounding up the Boers, the British also decided to detain any black Africans they encountered, 20,000 of whom were worked to death in slave labor camps. All told, British policy in the war killed 48,000 civilians. That’s 18,000 more than the number of soldiers lost on both sides

The aden emergency

The Aden Emergency was a 1960s scramble to control the once-vital port of Aden in modern Yemen. Although the port had long been under British rule, a nationalist wave sweeping Yemen led to strikes, riots, and a general desire that the Brits leave as soon as possible. A desire the British decided to quell by opening torture centers. Harsh and brutal, these centers housed the sort of horrors that would make Kim Jong-Un feel ill. Detainees were stripped naked and kept in refrigerated cells, encouraging frostbite and pneumonia. Guards would stub their cigarettes out on prisoner’s skin and beatings were common. But perhaps worst of all was the sexual humiliation. Locals who had been detained could expect to have their genitals crushed by guards’ hands, or to be forced to sit naked on a metal pole; their weight forcing it into their anus. By 1966, an Amnesty report on these abuses had caused global outrage. Faced with international condemnation, the British apologized. They then kept right on using the torture centers for another full year.

Cyprus

The big myth of the British Empire is that it nobly withdrew from its colonies when it realized the days of Imperialism were over. Yet one look at Cyprus proves the myth to be just a feel-good fairy tale. Between 1955 and 1959, the British responded to a Cyrpus rebel bombing campaign by rounding up and torturing 3,000 ordinary Cypriots.The victims of this internment campaign were often held for years without trial and violently abused for being “suspected” terrorists. Detainees received regular beatings, waterboarding, and summary executions. Children as young as 15 had burning hot peppers rubbed in their eyeballs, while others reported being flogged with whips embedded with shards of iron. Those found guilty of rebel sympathies were relocated to London, where a UK opposition party inspection found inmates with their arms broken and jagged scars running across their necks. In short, it was an appallingly sadistic policy, one that showed the British to be even lower than the terrorists they were meant to be fighting.

Are you still convinced the brits ruled their Empire without brutality ? and do you still have the audacity to praise such a cruel inhumane Empire ?


10 evil crimes of the British empire

http://listverse.com/2014/02/04/10-evil ... sh-empire/