SNM veterans express their concerns after RRU killed a son of SNM warrior in Hargeysa.

[ramzy2277]

[Rambie]

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I fear some sort of civil war is coming. The people can only stomach so much of Xirsi/Siilanyo's incompetence and corruption. And you'd be surprised with the anti-HJ rhetoric and sentiment I hear from people of HY/HA/Arab clans.

Unfortunately, clan is not the problem but a political class that is corrupt all across the board, from Udub and UCID to Kulmiye and Wadani.

[skywalker25]

I fear some sort of civil war is coming. The people can only stomach so much of Xirsi/Siilanyo's incompetence and corruption. And you'd be surprised with the anti-HJ rhetoric and sentiment I hear from people of HY/HA/Arab clans.

Unfortunately, clan is not the problem but a political class that is corrupt all across the board, from Udub and UCID to Kulmiye and Wadani.

Silanyo/Hirsi is not the problem but the target for a lot of peoples valid frustration with Somalilands difficult path.

One must accept and admit that having a non recognised country will not be milk and honey. You can blame the current leader, the one before or the one after but nobody will be able to solve the everyday mans anger with the lack of economical progress being experienced in Somaliland.

If people want genuine improvement then they will have to forgo this Somaliland enterprise and admit the price is too high. Gain international acceptability and with it the commerce that comes with it....

The trabalised blame is just another red herring.

[Ben Dover]

The trabalised blame is just another red herring.

Its not.

I am HJ and I must say that HJ way isku xaartay, they managed to reanimate the corpse of qabyaalad and its back now on steroids. The level of incompetence and qabyalad they brought forth is unprecedented, Silanyo and Xirsi make Riyale look like José Mujica. HJ should not be given any positions for the next 100 years. Xirsi along with Silanyo and Saleeban Gaal and the rest of the HJ junta should be prosecuted for their crimes against the nation.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I fear some sort of civil war is coming. The people can only stomach so much of Xirsi/Siilanyo's incompetence and corruption. And you'd be surprised with the anti-HJ rhetoric and sentiment I hear from people of HY/HA/Arab clans.

Unfortunately, clan is not the problem but a political class that is corrupt all across the board, from Udub and UCID to Kulmiye and Wadani.

Silanyo/Hirsi is not the problem but the target for a lot of peoples valid frustration with Somalilands difficult path.

One must accept and admit that having a non recognised country will not be milk and honey. You can blame the current leader, the one before or the one after but nobody will be able to solve the everyday mans anger with the lack of economical progress being experienced in Somaliland.

If people want genuine improvement then they will have to forgo this Somaliland enterprise and admit the price is too high. Gain international acceptability and with it the commerce that comes with it....

The trabalised blame is just another red herring.

What do you mean by this?

Also no offence Skywalker, but you seem to see everything with a green-tinted spectacles. You are always on a defensive when someone mentions Kulmiye or Silanyo. Simply saying corruption existed before and will exist after is not enough. Nobody forced him to become president. If you can't deal with the issue, move aside and let someone else sit on the kursi.

[theyuusuf143]

I fear some sort of civil war is coming. The people can only stomach so much of Xirsi/Siilanyo's incompetence and corruption. And you'd be surprised with the anti-HJ rhetoric and sentiment I hear from people of HY/HA/Arab clans.

Unfortunately, clan is not the problem but a political class that is corrupt all across the board, from Udub and UCID to Kulmiye and Wadani.

Do you mean fadhi kudirir civil. lool horta sideedaba Iidoorku waxay islaayaan markay cid kaloo la dagaalanta ay waayaan. xaaladan imika lagu jiro Soomaali oo dhanbaa inala cola mid dhul inagu haysta ku ictiraaf inaga haysta kuwo aynu siyaabo kale isu hayno sidaa darted wakhti aynu kibir legdano maba joogno. civir war waxa inoogu dhow markaynu ictiraafka helno kadib kkk.

[skywalker25]

The trabalised blame is just another red herring.

Its not.

I am HJ and I must say that HJ way isku xaartay, they managed to reanimate the corpse of qabyaalad and its back now on steroids. The level of incompetence and qabyalad they brought forth is unprecedented, Silanyo and Xirsi make Riyale look like José Mujica. HJ should not be given any positions for the next 100 years. Xirsi along with Silanyo and Saleeban Gaal and the rest of the HJ junta should be prosecuted for their crimes against the nation.

Dee adeer adigu Musa Abokor baad tahay. Adiga iyo Rightwing iyo tolkinaba question mark aya idin saran. Is it the water in solo and sanaag?

How can you justify a comment like your above comment with; I'm HJ, thats not acceptable. A few random HJ individuals, in a small circle that includes assortment of figures from all Somaliland's tribes has never equated to all of HJ. I can tell you no development has taken place in my region. I travelled from Burco to deep hawd and was left depressed with the lack infrastructure and the bleak future. Those people ( and its the vast majority) should not be guilty by association for Silanyo/Xirsi/Salebaan's adventures. Its even more frustrating when compared to the type of money being pumped into western Somaliland and nobody ever asks questions.

All this blame HJ and Silanyo is nothing but tribal hatred camouflaged as politics. Its constant propaganda with zero substance. Unless you can show me the villas being built in Caynaba, because I haven't seen non in Burco..


Liquid Hydrogen,

I dont want to hijack the topic but when the people of Somaliland speak of recognition and a country they assume its paradise but a lot of sacrifices will be required. Its like UK austerity cuts but much broader.
Our masses are ignorant and the middle classes spend day and night fanning the flames of tribal division, when they should be educating them about all the positive developments.

[joof]

reer banu hashim (tolkii rasuulka (csw) ) maxaa loo dhibayaaa ninyohow miyan ilaah laga cabsaneyn ?? walaahi dadkii diinta wa ka fogadeen xitaa qaraabadii rasuulka (csw)lama ixtiramaayo fuck this world .

[Ben Dover]

Dee adeer adigu Musa Abokor baad tahay. Adiga iyo Rightwing iyo tolkinaba question mark aya idin saran. Is it the water in solo and sanaag?

How can you justify a comment like your above comment with; I'm HJ, thats not acceptable. A few random HJ individuals, in a small circle that includes assortment of figures from all Somaliland's tribes has never equated to all of HJ. I can tell you no development has taken place in my region. I travelled from Burco to deep hawd and was left depressed with the lack infrastructure and the bleak future. Those people ( and its the vast majority) should not be guilty by association for Silanyo/Xirsi/Salebaan's adventures. Its even more frustrating when compared to the type of money being pumped into western Somaliland and nobody ever asks questions.

All this blame HJ and Silanyo is nothing but tribal hatred camouflaged as politics. Its constant propaganda with zero substance. Unless you can show me the villas being built in Caynaba, because I haven't seen non in Burco..

Dee bal eega, sheekadu Muse Abokor bey noqotay.
Adeer dee taas uun baan sheegay. Waxaad lasoo booday my qabiil anigoo meel sare ka hadliya, qabiil iyo tolkey maxa kalahaysta

This has very little to do with development cousin, I do not mind the lack of development in my regions, I can not stomach unfairness though. Silanyo and co ( and I include the jajuus Muse Abokor Maxamuud Xaashi Cabdi) have brought nothing but tribalism and corruption to the table. Utterly incompetent at dealing with both internal and external affairs, selling the country to select few Eastern oligarchs and showing very little interest in anything they could not financially gain from. Habarjeclona are happily supporting them. Its inexcusable.

[cheifaqilbari]

I fear some sort of civil war is coming. The people can only stomach so much of Xirsi/Siilanyo's incompetence and corruption. And you'd be surprised with the anti-HJ rhetoric and sentiment I hear from people of HY/HA/Arab clans.

Unfortunately, clan is not the problem but a political class that is corrupt all across the board, from Udub and UCID to Kulmiye and Wadani.

There is no doubt a , that is country is in a temporary difficult situation, civilwar no , never in this This nation wa muminiin , ummdan Somalilander wa ummad walalaka , whether Garxajis,HJ,HA,Arab,Issa,samaroon,native other qabils. When that is said , One of our biggest problem is a media constantly provoking people isku dir iyo hebel hebel awoowga buu wax ka qaadey, dhul leysku heysto alsways wax negative iyo tariiiq tagey bey ka hadlayaan. Our leaders wa inka fogaadan qabilimada wayo wa ta dalaka dariska gubtey. Examlka south sudan oo imika quriga leyski hayo . Also I would like to see every Political party must have a mix of all Somaliland constituencies other wise wa in la hidho. we must fight qabilinamda waa ti qubtey Dalka la ordhan jirtey Somali Rebulic oo ka bilowey afweyne D-ood , kadib, MOD,Kadib Marehan , kugu dambeyn Reer Diini mama khajdiija iyo kufeye casta. History punishes those who doesn't learn from it. I would say this current government has done alot , waliba in the beginning, lkn now it seems tired and dragging it feets on dorashoda. Also th unexpected civilwar in Yemen oo ah dal daresha ah has has a big negative impact om Somaliland daqaalo important/Export . On the Somaliland and Somalia talks from observation right from the beginning ,I thought it shoue have been hosted by the British , as the turks are not honest hosts . But all in all Somaliland government difficult was much more organized has a goal , every avenue for the Somaliland independence and both Dr M.A Omaar former FM and current Behi Jonas are doing work.

[skywalker25]

Dee adeer adigu Musa Abokor baad tahay. Adiga iyo Rightwing iyo tolkinaba question mark aya idin saran. Is it the water in solo and sanaag?

How can you justify a comment like your above comment with; I'm HJ, thats not acceptable. A few random HJ individuals, in a small circle that includes assortment of figures from all Somaliland's tribes has never equated to all of HJ. I can tell you no development has taken place in my region. I travelled from Burco to deep hawd and was left depressed with the lack infrastructure and the bleak future. Those people ( and its the vast majority) should not be guilty by association for Silanyo/Xirsi/Salebaan's adventures. Its even more frustrating when compared to the type of money being pumped into western Somaliland and nobody ever asks questions.

All this blame HJ and Silanyo is nothing but tribal hatred camouflaged as politics. Its constant propaganda with zero substance. Unless you can show me the villas being built in Caynaba, because I haven't seen non in Burco..

Dee bal eega, sheekadu Muse Abokor bey noqotay.
Adeer dee taas uun baan sheegay. Waxaad lasoo booday my qabiil anigoo meel sare ka hadliya, qabiil iyo tolkey maxa kalahaysta

This has very little to do with development cousin, I do not mind the lack of development in my regions, I can not stomach unfairness though. Silanyo and co ( and I include the jajuus Muse Abokor Maxamuud Xaashi Cabdi) have brought nothing but tribalism and corruption to the table. Utterly incompetent at dealing with both internal and external affairs, selling the country to select few Eastern oligarchs and showing very little interest in anything they could not financially gain from. Habarjeclona are happily supporting them. Its inexcusable.

Dee ninyo the Muse Abokor part was light banter but they do so the most honest words are usually said in gist.
You have Boqor Burmadow a total baffoon fit for a hospital ward, parading himself around Hargeisa as your Boqor. Making a laugh stock of the good name. You have his nephew Rightwing who is trying to out do him on cyberspace. A man who spend the best part of his time on here insulting Silanyos wife and the other part Xirsi.
Finally, adiga the legendary warrior Ben Dover comes a long a repeats a perfect paragraph from many of the scum passing themselves as website and lays the blame squarely at out feet.

Dee hadaba, how am I as Habar Jeclo responsible for these eastern oligarchs? My people back home get nothing but abuse from this government. Everybody thinks Habar Jeclo are on easy street. It's far from the truth.

Regardless of who runs Somaliland tribe money will over ride everything. Money has its own tribe and it only includes those with money. If your poor and Habar Jeclo your nothing and no different than the next poor guy.

What's happened Somaliland is that the Habar Jeclo from abroad are investing very heavily in the correct manor and the seen to have this unity or cohesion the others lack. This unity manifests it's self in business and politics. It's a very strange phenomenon. If I meet another Habar Jeclo he will do his very best to make things easier for me. Wallahi that's the only thing I think the Habar Jeclo can be accused..

[Ben Dover]

I was throwing the Muse Abokor chat back at you in gist myself. Runtii Buurmadow is the single most embarrassing creature roaming the Sanaag plains, why he is not sanctioned yet I do not know.

Horta do you disagree Odaygu inuu yahay at this point in time incapable of fulfilling his role as a president?

I am not criticising the business acumen of HJ, or our close-knitted nature, however the blind support we are willing to offer this group representing us in name only is baffling. Odaygan iyo wuxuu wattaaba jar bey karturii doonan reerka, that is my concern.

[caadani90]

Let me get this straight!


An Arap RRU policeman (a force under the command of an Isaxaaq man) shoots an Ciidagale child who was demonstrating a Sacad Muuse business man's attempt to buy land disputed by two Hargeisa tribes.
(Tribe order and involvement most possibly wrong but definatly no HJ involvement I.e. strictly Hargiesa issue)

And from this the conclusion is "there is gonna be a civil war!!!!! Look at what HJ did to us!! Xirsi, Silanyo,Xirsi,Silanyo"

Allah ha naxarisito ilmaha yare xaqdarada Ku dhintay

This sort of thing happens all around SL because of poorly trained and heavily armed qat addicts masquerading as police officers. However when it happens Galbeedka we have to be told to worry as it might lead to a civil war.

Instead of using this tragic child's death to score political and tribal points if you dont like the government, when we have an election date vote them out. Simple as that.

And Yes HJ voted for Kulmiye and allot of HJ support Kulmiye. So what!?? That's the nature of our political system. Most HY will vote wadani and most Cisse Muuse will vote UCID. Does it matter that Kulmiye has done nothing but give HJ grieve while it spends it time and money in the west of Somaliland. Probably not!
My Point is maybe we should be looking at fixing a problem that is embedded in our culture and systems rather than turning to that same desease as solution to every event that happens in Hargeisa by Blaming HJ and Xirsi

[Ben Dover]

In your estimation why is it that every post defending the gov in this thread is penned by a HJ?