What's wrong with that article, brothaman?
I thought it was a fascinating & refreshing article. For once, a
realistic depiction of love, dating, & sex in the Muslim community. We've been deluged over the decades and centuries with the never-ending mythology of a non-existent, never-existed, never-will-exist, "glorious Islamic utopia" where all woman are virtuous virgins and clad(smothered, depending on your outlook) in heat-attracting black abaya and all men are strong and honorable(you know, like Mucaawiya starting a civil war, killing thousands). But that mythology and any sheeko-fantasy of " our special virtue as Muslims" is straight bullshit. We're not special. We never were special. We are just sentient organisms, no different, no better, no worse, than the rest of 6 billion human beings on earth. We cry the same tears, we breathe the same air..........and forgive me for being crass, but we fuck in the same positions. It's called being human, and we need to embrace that, not run away from it, or deem it "cadaan beoble shid". That article was part of a series called Modern Love which gathers stories that show how the entire human family is connected, unified, & made whole................by the power of the liberation-struggle. When you are in the throes of the liberation-struggle, it doesn't matter what color you are, or Diety you worship, or language you speak. It's an essential unifying commonality of the human species.
For the record, I don't necessarily condone what the Saudi girl and guy did, but neither do I condemn it. Because it's human nature. They were encoded by their Almighty Programmer(Ebbe) to do exactly what they did. Personally, and this is just little old me, I believe that the liberation-struggle, and the limb-flailing, heavy-breathing mighty convulsions therein, should be confined, and is most safe AND pleasurable, within the bonds of marriage-guur barakaysan, but that's just me.
As opposed to, oh i don't know, the TONS of "holy" "pious" "Heaven-going" homies, across the centuries, saxaabis, taabicis, and beyond, who kept thousands of sex-slaves......but nobody will ever condemn them, right? As for this young couple, you can already hear the hypocritical cries of the dogmatic dugaag: Faaxisha! Whip them. Zina! Stone them. Yeah? Well then, why the FUCK didn't Yaziid or Haroon or any other elite folk get whipped or stoned? I'll tell you why, because Organised Religion(ie, the dogma, the politics, the "traditions"), much like any other human institution is/was designed so that an elite
few benefit and get enriched, while the teeming impoverished masses are bribed and kept in check with promises of Honey & Milk in the HereAfter. Fuck that noise, b. We're living in the Age of Information and Shaykh Google and Alaamah Wikipedia are here to destroy the reactionary dogma of the archaic past. (note: not referring to you here, FAH, im just stream-of-conscious a-typing, as it were)
Anyway, we're going off-topic. The point is, would you rather read that article, where the joyful liberation-struggle is the result of natural urges, the desire to feel beautiful & loved, the desire to feel the skin & body of another human(of the opposite gender) on yours ; the endorphin/dopamine rush, the calorie-burning, the dunkasho and the various "muqadimaat"(hore-dhac) inta aan lagalin howsha culus ee heer-qaran.
or would you rather read about the legacy of Organized Religon's Dogma:
Arab News spoke to some of the victims and their relatives to get a wider picture. A bride in the first month of her marriage was shocked when her new husband’s niece told her that her paternal uncle had been sexually abusing her since she was 10.
The new wife said she could not believe her ears and talked to the girl’s mother who said she knew about the abuse and kept quiet to avoid trouble.
She decided to tell her husband who refused to accept his brother would do such a thing, accusing his niece of being a constant flirt with her uncle even when she was grown-up, kissing him playfully. He said had she been truthful, she would have stayed away from the uncle.
The wife also came to know through another brother-in-law’s wife that the same uncle was making passes at her 11-year-old daughter when she once visited with the girl. The mother said she told her husband who preferred to keep quiet to protect the reputation of his daughter, but he has since refused to have any contact with his brother.
A young and very beautiful girl in her 20s had a 25-year-old half uncle who was loved by all family members. She said the uncle started caressing her and praising her beauty.
She said she became very close to the good-looking man who used to pick her up from her school.
She said at times he would take her to his own apartment. “He started harassing me, but thank God we did not go beyond kissing and hugging. I have now stopped going out with him,” she said.
A widowed mother-of-five said her own nephew came to her home and asked to stay with her during his university years. She said she welcomed him and considered him her own son.
She recalled that one night he asked to sleep with her in her own bedroom because he could not sleep alone.
“Naively I allowed him. He insisted on sleeping with me in the same bed and began to touch me. I ran out of the room but kept what he did secret so as not to destroy his future. I considered the whole case as typical of the rashness associated with young people,” she said.
Commenting on the issue, psychiatry consultant Dr. Rajab Brisali said male relatives who abuse girls have no fear of their religion.
“We should inculcate the principles and values of Islam in our children and separate boys and girls when they go to bed,” he said.
Brisali said parents who fail to bring up their children properly could inadvertently cause improper relationships to develop between young men and women in the same family. “Parents should closely observe the behavior of their children and not allow them to cross the line when playing with one another,” he said.
The psychiatrist said children who play games such as “bride and bridegroom” might want to try it for real when they grow up.
“Some of the satellite channels do not shy away from airing sex scenes that influence young boys and girls,” he warned.
Brisali also said family trust could lead to incestuous relationships. He asked girls not to wear revealing clothes in front of their male relatives.
http://www.arabnews.com/node/384189
That's what happens when you tell men and boys that looking at a woman with lust is "zina of the eyes" and if you kiss a girl, that's "zina of the lips". You create a society where all sorts of the sexual perversion, specifically, pederasty & incest, is very common. When you segregate the genders to an extreme, that is what happens......and of course, thanks to "family name" and "honor culture" and "shame culture", all the perversion and crimes will be kept a secret. And more and more "shuyookh" will preach about how virtuous and moral we are as Muslims, compared to the hedonistic decadent West. Blind leading the blind in a would-be-hilarious-if-it-weren't--so-tragic delusional farce.
So, again, what's your beef with the article? If you consider what they're doing a "sin", well, I'll bring you numerous(tons and tons) of saxaabis and taabicis, supposedly the most bestest/holiest beoble evarrrr, who did shid that was way efiin worse. So let's cool the "sin" talk. We all sinners up in this motherfaarax called Life on Earth. Haye, maxaa soo haray? Maybe you thought it was too gauche/cheesy/lurid/Orientalist? Ok, that's a valid opinion, but I disagree. Again, it's part of a series called Lives, where people all over the world share their stories, some tragic, some uplifting, some just human. The theme, if there is any, is how we are all human, even in a harsh, austere, crippling-till-you-cant-breathe place like Salafi-Wahhabi run Saudi.
Like i said, it was a refreshing & realistic depiction of how MILLIONS of young Muslim around the world court each other......or liberate each other. And come on, brothaman, a guy as social as you definitely knows what's up. Don't act like Murax with his "morality" nose stuck so high in the air that he can't see the reality in front of him. The liberation-struggle is a factual reality and no amount of moralizing or religion will change that. Here's an example: I've had an acquaintance suddenly blurt out to me that he took his "friend"(not gf, since bf/gf are haram....but sex-slaves = tottally kewl) to an abortion clinic....not once but twice. This guy never misses a jumah, is posted up at the Masjid during Ramadan, hard worker, and in case some might think he's "westernised", he's fresh off of flight 13 .....and yeah, 2 abortions with the same "friend". Did it have to be like that? No. But since sex eductation is also haram, just like bf/gf is haram, well you'll have a ton of dangerous late-term abortions because conservative Muslim parents don't want to teach their kids about safe sex or condoms or birth-control.
So yeah, that NYT article is reality. Are we as a community going to deal with this reality
as it is with common-sense policies like expanded sex-education for grade-school students and free condoms/birth-controls to prevent disease & abortion or are we gonna continue to be naive, and moralistic, and delusional....which hasn't worked out very well for us over the past coupla decades/centuries.
I stopped reading right there!!!!! Any man who is appreciative of a woman he just came onto with a cheesy pick up line--is not the stuff of my liking. Right there I judged him as an idiot not worth my time! That line says more about the idiot man than the poor mysterious woman! I want the woman to come off mysterious, seductive, or innocent, and the man showing some chase! To voice out---"she thanked me" shows a desperate idiot who is thirsty than nasty! Who is so into himself, that the woman comes of as irrelevant. Next? 
yup, good response to Leftist
That is a sweeping opinion gurey! I don't say, I disagree with you, but I must confess--It has a salty residue of super inflated self worth in its declaration. Perhaps--it takes one to know another? I think u purport to be the apostle of "middle class", or as u say 'even lower", but in day broadlight --u might be a snob ! A snob of the highest degree--that of the line of Siyaad Baare! The fact that u have the audacity to pretend u r an equalite nasab-- and call others 'even lower' --shows u definitely harbor some sort of class gradation or high and low- in your bossoms. 
