Old Arabic words in Somali language.

[Thuganomics]

Here is a thread I posted about Rendile nearly five years ago


http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=266622

Thanks Thuga. When I was a kid, we were told that the Borana/Rendille/Sakuye (non-muslims) were the sworn enemies of Somalis. There were in constant battles (camel/cattle raids) between them and somalis . Also they made the less than 5% that wanted the NFD to remain under Kenya during the referendum. We were told that The Boranas/Rendilles and Sakuye's cut the testicles of somali boys - trophy- to gain the hands of brides ( the father-in-law will use it to store tobacco and the somali testicle was a premium).

There is also another closely related tribe called WARDAAY ( Zumaale claims that they are somalis) which has lived in the shadows of Somalis (they have their own county today and look/dress/worship like Somalis. In recent decades, there is a movement that claims Warday Cali, Boran Cali are lost somali tribes. I have read reports that these were the reminients of the Gaala which were forced out of Somalia.

P.s. the Borana/Sakuye is part of the southern Oromo

Thanks for that info mate.That trophy thing is similar to the Ciise v Afar in the north.Apparently the young Ciise and Afar boys are given a kool necklace to wear like girls.They can only take them off once they have killed their respective tribal enemy.If a Ciise man sees a young Ciise youth wearing his necklace, he will say to him "Waar waxan dhiigii hooyadii maahine dhiig kale arkin muxuu ahaa dee"
To try and encourage him to kill an Afar youth

[sahal80]

Desperate attempt to become arabs!

Seen this book years ago at a mosque bookshop it's rubbish

Firstly here what nabt/dh not nabad and hadl not hadal means in arabic
إنباط
استنبطَ
http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/ ... 22&ID=8086

Al hadl
Many Arab girls with this name
هَديل

Secondly, any similarity of vocab has nothing to do with arabic but with the hamito-semitic language

Infact, arabic language is the youngest Semitic language (300 years before the birth of the prophet mohamed)

Arabic language is just like the English language wich is a mix of Germanic and French

Arabic is a mix of aramic and sabaean/habashi

For example rahim/raxim in both arabic and hebrew and Rahman in sabaean/habashi

So arabic has more of our vocabs since the sabaean consists alot of cushitic vocabulary like the geed/tree....you can find alot of cushitic words in arabic.


https://somalifuture.wordpress.com/2015 ... %8A%D8%A9/

[AwRastaale]

That book is bogus. Fadhi ku dirir material.

Somali language has no affiliation with Arabic other than loan words introduced by Quran studies or religious institutions.

Somali is Cushitic language. It is old and original African language.

[AwRastaale]

Here is a thread I posted about Rendile nearly five years ago


http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=266622

Thanks Thuga. When I was a kid, we were told that the Borana/Rendille/Sakuye (non-muslims) were the sworn enemies of Somalis. There were in constant battles (camel/cattle raids) between them and somalis . Also they made the less than 5% that wanted the NFD to remain under Kenya during the referendum. We were told that The Boranas/Rendilles and Sakuye's cut the testicles of somali boys - trophy- to gain the hands of brides ( the father-in-law will use it to store tobacco and the somali testicle was a premium).

There is also another closely related tribe called WARDAAY ( Zumaale claims that they are somalis) which has lived in the shadows of Somalis (they have their own county today and look/dress/worship like Somalis. In recent decades, there is a movement that claims Warday Cali, Boran Cali are lost somali tribes. I have read reports that these were the reminients of the Gaala which were forced out of Somalia.

P.s. the Borana/Sakuye is part of the southern Oromo

Thanks for that info mate.That trophy thing is similar to the Ciise v Afar in the north.Apparently the young Ciise and Afar boys are given a kool necklace to wear like girls.They can only take them off once they have killed their respective tribal enemy.If a Ciise man sees a young Ciise youth wearing his necklace, he will say to him "Waar waxan dhiigii hooyadii maahine dhiig kale arkin muxuu ahaa dee"
To try and encourage him to kill an Afar youth

Isaac had similar ritual where they were not to bury the victim until he was avenged. I heard especially HY practiced this and the rest of Isaac nicknamed them gaalo qawan because they used to undress the victim, wash him but not bury him until there was reprisal attack.

Once mission was accomplished then they buried him.

I heard but never did any research. Have you heard of it?

[AwRastaale]

Both Warday and Rahanweyn are assimilated Oromo groups. The Somalis converted them to Islam and added them to their society. To ensure successful assimilation they used to kill off males in the household and marry the women while the children were adopted.

This is why they were never added to the Samaale ancestry like Dir, Isaaq, Darood and Hawiye.

All the others were either assimilated or left to co-exist like the Reer Xamar, and other minorities.

Rahanwein developed a hybrid language of their old Afaan Oromo and their new Muslim companion Somali. That's what Maay is.

[sahal80]

Before adopting the Latin script, somalis have tried with the semitic and arabic scripts and it did not work for them simply bc these scripts do not have the cushitic vowels like the O and E(in somalli) They just got U and I (in somali)That's why oromo and somalis adopted the Latin script.

[ramzy2277]

Desperate attempt to become arabs!

Seen this book years ago at a mosque bookshop it's rubbish

Firstly here what nabt/dh not nabad and hadl not hadal means in arabic
إنباط
استنبطَ
http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/ ... 22&ID=8086

Al hadl
Many Arab girls with this name
هَديل

Secondly, any similarity of vocab has nothing to do with arabic but with the hamito-semitic language

Infact, arabic language is the youngest Semitic language (300 years before the birth of the prophet mohamed)

Arabic language is just like the English language wich is a mix of Germanic and French

Arabic is a mix of aramic and sabaean/habashi

For example rahim/raxim in both arabic and hebrew and Rahman in sabaean/habashi

So arabic has more of our vocabs since the sabaean consists alot of cushitic vocabulary like the geed/tree....you can find alot of cushitic words in arabic.


https://somalifuture.wordpress.com/2015 ... %8A%D8%A9/

I yet to see a worthy comment coming from you ever..!!.

horta, aren't you the same person who in every thread cry out loud not to troll or derail your inconsistent topics..!!.

who talked or mentioned anything about becoming Arab.!!, did you see me adopting the author's idea or approach..!!...or did your hutu cuqdad got the best out of you .

and even worse referencing from an isaaqi blogger ( Mahmoud H.Abdi) who brags about being from Arab Hashimi descendant , I know him in person,he used to live in UAE and he is now in hargeisa and I am sure he would be more than happy to show you the certification he got from the Shareef of Hashimate family in Egypt certifying his family lineage to Hashimate family through sheekh isxaaq ben ahmed.

Do you understand now why your are inconsistent..!!.

back to topic.

aside from this carablow ( WFT is Hadl and Nabd ) inconsistent hutu , I don't see anyone backing his argument with a practical example .

at least the author linked the somali words with ancient Arabic words found at one of the most famous Arabic dictionaries with the same meaning and very close pronunciation as well...which is quite interesting....I won't be surprised if Somali or Arabs have similar linguistic features considering the geographic proximity and the extreme social structure similarities where both have tribal oriented society structure .

[AwRastaale]

Sahal is one of the most ignorant individuals on this forum along with Tycoon kid.

Kulaha Sabaean and Habasha are the same.

Habasha was anyone that was black and in the Horn region while Saba was Yemen.

The Arabs spoke several languages that were closely related including Sabaean, Geez and Arabic as well as other languages.

The southern Arabs exported both Geez (early Christians) and Sabaean to Axumite Empire. Geez entered via Egypt (Alexandria) while Sabaean entered via Eritrea.

Meanwhile north Arabia was busy imprting Aramaic and Persian.

The southern Arabs developed several scripts of their own while the north adopted Persian script.

When Islam emerged they didn't want to use Geez script from the south nor the Saudi one (can't remember the name now) so instead they used the Persian script mastered by the northern Arabs (Syrians/Syriac, Palis, Iraqis). This script is now the Arabic script that you use.

Not many know it actually came from Persia (Pahlavi).

Even though prophet Mohamed SAW was illiterate the Arabs were not especially northern Arabs who had a wealth of knowledge and great sources from the region which was blossoming with knowledge and information exchange between East and West.

[sahal80]

Desperate attempt to become arabs!

Seen this book years ago at a mosque bookshop it's rubbish

Firstly here what nabt/dh not nabad and hadl not hadal means in arabic
إنباط
استنبطَ
http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/ ... 22&ID=8086

Al hadl
Many Arab girls with this name
هَديل

Secondly, any similarity of vocab has nothing to do with arabic but with the hamito-semitic language

Infact, arabic language is the youngest Semitic language (300 years before the birth of the prophet mohamed)

Arabic language is just like the English language wich is a mix of Germanic and French

Arabic is a mix of aramic and sabaean/habashi

For example rahim/raxim in both arabic and hebrew and Rahman in sabaean/habashi

So arabic has more of our vocabs since the sabaean consists alot of cushitic vocabulary like the geed/tree....you can find alot of cushitic words in arabic.


https://somalifuture.wordpress.com/2015 ... %8A%D8%A9/

I yet to see a worthy comment coming from you ever..!!.

horta, aren't you the same person who in every thread cry out loud not to troll or derail your inconsistent topics..!!.

who talked or mentioned anything about becoming Arab.!!, did you see me adopting the author's idea or approach..!!...or did your hutu cuqdad got the best out of you .

and even worse referencing from an isaaqi blogger ( Mahmoud H.Abdi) who brags about being from Arab Hashimi descendant , I know him in person,he used to live in UAE and he is now in hargeisa and I am sure he would be more than happy to show you the certification he got from the Shareef of Hashimate family in Egypt certifying his family lineage to Hashimate family through sheekh isxaaq ben ahmed.

Do you understand now why your are inconsistent..!!.

back to topic.

aside from this carablow ( WFT is Hadl and Nabd ) inconsistent hutu , I don't see anyone backing his argument with a practical example .

at least the author linked the somali words with ancient Arabic words found at one of the most famous Arabic dictionaries with the same meaning and very close pronunciation as well...which is quite interesting....I won't be surprised if Somali or Arabs have similar linguistic features considering the geographic proximity and the extreme social structure similarities where both have tribal oriented society structure .

I was referring to the author not to you my salfudeed friend!

دعنى الآن اشرح لك أيها الأعجمى معنى هذه المفردات والجمل التى إقتبسها فقيهك الحرفى من التراث العربى

نبْط هى جمع أنباط وتعني بواطن الأشياء التى تحتاج إلى إدراك وإستنباط ذكى ولذالك عندما يقول الشاعر لايُنال له نبط ابا الهوان قطوف يقصد أنه لايمكن النظر إليه بسبب ملامحه القاطبه وبالتالى لايمكن إدراك أعماقه!
صاحبك "الحروو" فهم خطأ صيغة كلمة ينال اى بفتح الياء وليس ضمها (لايَنال نبطه)ومن هنا إستنتج بأن سريرته تعنى السلام!!



قريب ثراه ما ينال عدوه له نبطا ، عند الهوان قطوب"
ويروى : قريب نداه . ويقال للركية : هي نبط إذا أميهت . ويقال : فلان لا يدرك له نبط أي لا يعلم قدر علمه وغايته . و"

http://library.islamweb.net/newlibrary/ ... 22&ID=8086


كلمة هدْل/هديل وليس هدَل تعني اصوات رقيقة سائلة او سابحة كأصوات المياه و الطيور
هب ان هناك علاقة لغوية بينهما هذا لايعني أنها مستوردة من اللغة العربية وإنما تدل على الأصل الحامى السامى المشترك لهذه الكلمات

كميثال آخر يمكن ان نأخذ كلمة هَدَ الصومالية)hada, now (
وكلمة حدث السامية (حديث اباباح)

لذلك اديس اببا مكونة من كلمتين إحداهما سامية والأخري كوشية وتعنى أُبح بالصومالية. The new flower Addis ababa

[Adali]

Somali language is very powerfull but so is arabic. Oromo, rendille are lesser languages.

[burcaawi14]

Very interesting thread. Somali has way to many similarities to arabic. But since somali is not from the same group of languages(Although Both Are Afro-asiatic), somali being cushitic and arabic being semetic, we can't really verify but just speculate how these words came into the language(Religion, trade etc...)

It's very possible that these words predate modern arabic. Before the red sea was split we know that yemen and the somali peninsula were connected, so it's very possible that these ancient words were used across the horn and southern yemen and the remnants of the language remained or alternated through time.

Few words i found similar:

Arabs say Miya. We say Biya for water
Af(somali)- in arabic fem(mouth) pluralized as used in the quran AFwaa-hihim (Their mouths)

Also it has to be much deeper then just loan words. How can such essential words like face waji , quraac, qado, and casho, only exist as loan words without the original somali words being known. Islam has only been around for 1400 years, which is relatively not so long. Possibly we interacted with the arabs xiligi jaahiliya?

[Ben Dover]

It's very possible that these words predate modern arabic. Before the red sea was split we know that yemen and the somali peninsula were connected, so it's very possible that these ancient words were used across the horn and southern yemen and the remnants of the language remained or alternated through time.

Unfortunately the continental break up predates humans and by extension languages. It would have been cool though if there were random nomads going about their business as tectonic plates moved

Few words i found similar:

Arabs say Miya. We say Biya for water
Af(somali)- in arabic fem(mouth) pluralized as used in the quran AFwaa-hihim (Their mouths)

Miya or mayya is colloquial use of the word Maa' or Miyaah, totally different to the Somali Biyyo. As for Afwaahihim, it plural of Faah and not Fam, again very different word to Af or Afka.

[Thuganomics]

Hawdian no I've never heard of "gaalo qaawan" methodology.But I have heard of where someone is killed unjustl,their toll refusing to bury the victim.Until the perpetrator is shot beside him.That practice is ongoing even now.It's a wel known ruse to either hurry the mag/dia negotiations or really catch and sentence the murderer ASAP

[burcaawi14]

It's very possible that these words predate modern arabic. Before the red sea was split we know that yemen and the somali peninsula were connected, so it's very possible that these ancient words were used across the horn and southern yemen and the remnants of the language remained or alternated through time.

Unfortunately the continental break up predates humans and by extension languages. It would have been cool though if there were random nomads going about their business as tectonic plates moved

Few words i found similar:

Arabs say Miya. We say Biya for water
Af(somali)- in arabic fem(mouth) pluralized as used in the quran AFwaa-hihim (Their mouths)

Miya or mayya is colloquial use of the word Maa' or Miyaah, totally different to the Somali Biyyo. As for Afwaahihim, it plural of Faah and not Fam, again very different word to Af or Afka.

Yeah I guess that's far fetched. But don't know if it predates humans. Adam (as) was like 60 ft according to hadith so maybe it was just a tremor to them

[sahal80]

Sahal is one of the most ignorant individuals on this forum along with Tycoon kid.

Kulaha Sabaean and Habasha are the same.

Habasha was anyone that was black and in the Horn region while Saba was Yemen.

The Arabs spoke several languages that were closely related including Sabaean, Geez and Arabic as well as other languages.

The southern Arabs exported both Geez (early Christians) and Sabaean to Axumite Empire. Geez entered via Egypt (Alexandria) while Sabaean entered via Eritrea.

Meanwhile north Arabia was busy imprting Aramaic and Persian.

The southern Arabs developed several scripts of their own while the north adopted Persian script.

When Islam emerged they didn't want to use Geez script from the south nor the Saudi one (can't remember the name now) so instead they used the Persian script mastered by the northern Arabs (Syrians/Syriac, Palis, Iraqis). This script is now the Arabic script that you use.

Not many know it actually came from Persia (Pahlavi).

Even though prophet Mohamed SAW was illiterate the Arabs were not especially northern Arabs who had a wealth of knowledge and great sources from the region which was blossoming with knowledge and information exchange between East and West.

what do you know of habasha and the sabaean language except that you have been colonized in hawd by the yaksum ex slaves?

Man you have no clue of this world so stick to your oromo gang mentality wich your good at it!


What do you know of habasha? Habasha is not a tribe...their tribes name is called al jacziya, this is where your Latin word geez comes from without you known it!

These people r the same people who settled on both sides, therefore, al jacziya were called habasha bc they mixed with the African population

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... 230_AD.jpg


Let me give you a clue about Arabia!

In the ancient time before the arrival of quraysh ancestors from Jordan, north arabia was setlled by the jurham tribe, this tribe was just like the yemenis so they all had the same language and script wich they adopted it from the phoenician script...this script is called al musnad/himyari/sabaean script but few decades ago and during the islam, the northern arabs have replaced it with a syrian script used by the only christian arab tribe, bani gasaan due to their trade with sham and then it was spread by the islam

This is the original arabic script just like the habashi one...click number 7
http://www.alargam.com/languages/arabic2/index.htm

I can give you linguitic study on arabic, Hebrew, himyari, habashi etc. They all have the same grammer but they r like the persian and kurdish languages who share 90 Percent of the vocabulary yet sound totally different languages due to the change that occured in their common letters and pronouncian

To this day, most of the tigree grammar is the same as arabic like the noun al niswa but we r talking about the classical habashi not the current languages who have been influenced by the cushitic languages and their slaves

http://lahajat.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/b ... 8.html?m=1

http://mhaj75.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/bl ... 0.html?m=1