Gedobursi-Warsangeli-Ciise-Dhulbahante poll

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Where do you stand on the issue of Secession vs Unity? Why? Explain

Let's have a respectable exchange of opinions.

I supported unity and dreams of Somaliweyn but you have to have facts, and I'm always loyal and behind my people!! But I as an individual see no hope in Somalia uniting or the Federal government in Muqdisho fulfilling its obligation to us, because of the never ending cycle in the South, but what's worse is that they don't really think that there is a large population and land mass in the north that deserve respect and a fair share. Is a Fair & represantative Independent northern State a possible future for us?

Some arguments I hear:

We have feud with our Isaaq neighbors? So we always did, we fought southern clans too and lost many civilians, we will be isolated and a minority? who backs you up now, At least we understand each other. We are not alone, there is 4 of us to balance the Isaaq, nor are we a minority nor are we scared of anyone. If Canfar N Somalis can share a country so can we Somalis, if Somalis in NFD can share a nation with Kikuyu and others so can we Somalis, If Somalis, Oromo and Xabashas can share a country so can we. We have to put our interests before anyone and anything. in my humble opinion let's keep an open mind for possibilities.

[Ben Dover]

The start of what I hope to be an interesting discussion

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

I hope too sxb

[Ben Dover]

Is a Fair & representative Independent northern State a possible future for us?

You have not answered your question yet. You've only put forth some thoughts on coexistence but your position is not clear.

Do you believe a fair and representative Independent northern State a possible future for you?

Let us hear your thoughts sxb.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Yes for me it is, if Somaliland shows on its part that they are willing to have a representative government and that we will share all resources and positions equally. Why not? We are a people who share many things. Instead of the North been neglected we can change our future and destiny. The Hargaisa administration should have talks with all these communities, and have a real reconciliation with all the clans, and then maybe a declaration of support, and a refrundum by the UN.

Many of us privately believe that a separate country is the only option we are just not talking about it openly, because of a hope for Somaliweyn but it's been 25 years, a quarter of a century and attitudes toward the north haven't changed.

[Ben Dover]

I believe that SL have time and time again exhibited willingness to be inclusive and share in the representation. If you compare SL to the SFG or even to your cousins in PL, it becomes very apparent who is most willing to share. Would you not agree?

Now what I have been saying for aeons is that DH should embrace SL even more than Isaaq. Why? Because even if your end game is another union, you can bet your bottom dollar that sitting on the table as part of a united SL front will get you much more in representation than staying on in your state of limbo. It has been clear for a very long time that the SFG is not interested in working with you or your leaders, your compatriots in PL have an insatiable thirst for power and will never give you your dues. They are satisfied to have your lands marked 'disputed' with very little use of resources on their part. It boggles my mind that DH have been unable to participate int he political process all this time when they can actually gain so much along with everyone in SL. You have got to play your cards right sxb.

Sayyid Einstein's line rings true here, 'Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results'.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

We have cut ties with our eastern neighbors, their thirst for power has destroyed the nation and any future unity with us. Somalia is under an alliance of Majerteen and Abgaal to switch seats and rahaweyn as supporters since they get the third seat. So to keep the alliance the Abgaal will side with them.

I agree that Somaliland is more willing to share, but remember we are clans and when Somaliland forces are perceived to be taking sides in clan skirmishes it leads to negative image of the state and its leadership. Instead of force, diplomacy must be used. I believe we don't have a perfect sharing of power but better than the rest, we can work on it to make it better. And we must compromise on both sides, and bring in the leadership of our clans.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

Where do you stand on the issue of Secession vs Unity? Why? Explain

Let's have a respectable exchange of opinions.

I supported unity and dreams of Somaliweyn but you have to have facts, and I'm always loyal and behind my people!! But I as an individual see no hope in Somalia uniting or the Federal government in Muqdisho fulfilling its obligation to us, because of the never ending cycle in the South, but what's worse is that they don't really think that there is a large population and land mass in the north that deserve respect and a fair share. Is a Fair & represantative Independent northern State a possible future for us?

Some arguments I hear:

We have feud with our Isaaq neighbors? So we always did, we fought southern clans too and lost many civilians, we will be isolated and a minority? who backs you up now, At least we understand each other. We are not alone, there is 4 of us to balance the Isaaq, nor are we a minority nor are we scared of anyone. If Canfar N Somalis can share a country so can we Somalis, if Somalis in NFD can share a nation with Kikuyu and others so can we Somalis, If Somalis, Oromo and Xabashas can share a country so can we. We have to put our interests before anyone and anything. in my humble opinion let's keep an open mind for possibilities.

The pressing issue in this matter, is that a significant percentage of Dhulbahante view Somaliland as an Isaaq project, when the truth couldn't be further away. The people of the Northern regions of the now defunct 'Somali republic' agreed to reestablish their independence after the union between the South and North did not work out.

Unfortunately, individuals such as Ali Khalif (who coincidentally also signed the Burco peace accords) have sought to politicise local issues such as grazing rights into a non-existent conflict.

Somaliland is for everyone. It is not an Isaaq project. This is a very dangerous misconception that people have.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

Let's not attack each other's leadership because I can then say Siilanyo supports isaaq In disputes with Dhulbahante and so on..

Ofcourse he signed a peace agreement that was benefit for all of us, but it was too soon to declare independence, it's been 25 years and we are still discussing it. didn't Isaaq have their own civil war on the issue??

Ahmed Ismail samatar said "I was welcomed in Galbeed by 70,000 people but not one was raising the Somaliland flag," they must view it as Isaaq thing, "but they believe in SL. " a different one. So the government must belong to all the people.

Today if you listen to other isaaqs they will say Habarjeclo did this, they are taking over the govt, etc other clans will see it as isaaq too so that is not unexpected, and it has some truth to it they do dominate it.

[STARKAST]

You could learn something from your eastern brothers (correct term) and 'western' neighbors (correct term). Both refuse to operate and live as second class citizens, yet you (your views aren't DH consensus) are reduced to see this as your only choice. Have hope buddy, and dream big.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

No I don't see my self as a second class citizen, I see myself as an equal. I know a Dhuloz can win a free and fair election in SL, unlike your sham elections were its rigged to have a Mj as a leader or southern elections were bribery and corruption is used, even if a Hawiye President picks another Darood the Majerteen will not stop whining, is that your hope? Amisom, Shabab, Your Mafia, Greedy, corrupt ways?? That ship has sailed I know your looking out for your interest as our eastern neighbors but atleast find the decency to respect my interest, but hey I shouldn't expect that from you!!

I was one of the first to be against the pirate state to our east, my family followed me, my sub clan did and so did the rest of the clan. Nin culus Baan ahaay!!

[JSL3000]

Let's not attack each other's leadership because I can then say Siilanyo supports isaaq In disputes with Dhulbahante and so on..

Ofcourse he signed a peace agreement that was benefit for all of us, but it was too soon to declare independence, it's been 25 years and we are still discussing it. didn't Isaaq have their own civil war on the issue??

Ahmed Ismail samatar said "I was welcomed in Galbeed by 70,000 people but not one was raising the Somaliland flag," they must view it as Isaaq thing, "but they believe in SL. " a different one. So the government must belong to all the people.

Today if you listen to other isaaqs they will say Habarjeclo did this, they are taking over the govt, etc other clans will see it as isaaq too so that is not unexpected, and it has some truth to it they do dominate it.

Of course they dominate it they are the majority same way kikuyu dominates kenya or the same way ciise dominates djibouti or tigray in eritrea or tigray ethiopia or wolof in senegal the tutsi in rwanda every country has particular tribe that dominates the political arena for for certain reasons.

somaliland as nation state is different than a lot of its neighbors is that it at least passes on the leadership to different tribe something you rarely see in africa or asia with out military coup.

somaliland has fair free elections which gives everyone a chance to be elected by the people.

We been doing our best the pass 25 years we are not perfect but we keep on trying to better our nation for the sake of our children's future.

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

We dominate and we expect to share a nation dee shaqayn mayso. We Northeners know and Admit Isaaq is a big clan, but on the Subclan level things should be shared fairly.

[ZubairDragon]

cise n warsangeli r langaaab in somaliland thr voices never matter

my mom clan matters like dulbahante

[PrinceNugaalHawd]

You used Djibouti as an example, Somalis with Ciise majority are 65%, the Cafaar are 30% but the minister are divided 6 for Ciise 6 for Cafaar. Parliament 65, 30 Ciise, 30 Canfar and 5 other Somalis and Arab.