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Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 7:37 pm

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DIYARBAKIR, Turkey — Dozens of Russian aircraft land daily at Khmeimim air base near Latakia, Syria. One such aircraft from Moscow that landed Sept. 17 didn’t attract attention, but its passengers, eight officials of Russia's Foreign and Defense Ministries, were carrying documents that one day could alter the political scene of the region.

But not that day.

The documents, obtained by Al-Monitor, included a memorandum of intent regarding the possibility of the Syrian government's granting Syrian Kurdistan "special status within the framework of Syria." The delegation was tasked with finding a solution to the Kurdish issue in Syria by having the parties agree to the memorandum.

Salih Gedo, secretary-general of the Democratic Party of Syrian Kurds, attended the meeting. "The Russians had a document ready. It was in our favor. They wanted federalism in Syria while reinstating the rights of Kurds. We accepted all of the [stipulations] and suggested some additions.”

According to Gedo, the Syrian government's delegation did not accept the agreement, saying it would split the country, and Damascus would not agree to start a dialogue about an autonomous administration.

The memorandum contains five basic proposals. The text follows below:

The Syrian Kurdish Party has suggested, and the Syrian Arab Party has agreed, to discuss the following issues:

1. Constitutional recognition of the nationalistic and political rights of the Kurdish people in Syria, and at the same time recognition of the rights of other national minorities.

2. Recognition of the democratic self-rule system in the cantons [of Jazeera, Kobani and Afrin, which are currently controlled by Kurds] and acknowledgement that members of the self-rule [system] represent the interests of all national and religious groups in these areas, and acceptance of all decisions issued by the legislative council of these cantons.

3. Recognition of the self-protection units and the Asayish [Kurdish police] forces as the legitimate national military forces.

4. The formation of delegations from both parties [the self-rule system and the Syrian government] to coordinate relations between the cantons and the central government in Damascus.

5. Change the name "the Syrian Arab Republic" to "the Syrian Democratic Republic," and form therein a government with varied democratic views on the basis of a federalism system.

Gedo said the Kurdish side suggested adding: Stop Arabs from settling in the Kurdish villages of Jazeera province, restore the Kurds' property and compensate the Kurds for damages they have suffered.

Any disputes during implementation of the terms would be resolved through talks between the two parties. "These disputes may not be resolved in international courts,” the memorandum said.

Gedo emphasized that the issue is not dead and that the Russian side will continue contacts with the Damascus government. He said the proposed agreement allows for flexibility by stipulating that "each of the parties has the right to abrogate the agreement at any time provided it informs the other of such in writing.”

Syria, one of four Middle East countries where Kurds live in large numbers, has about 3 million Kurdish residents, most of them without legal status. With the advent of the civil war in 2011, Kurds began to demand rights and recognition. Main Kurdish towns in Syria on the border with Turkey, such as Qamishli, Kobani and Afrin, came under the control of the Kurdish nationalist Democratic Union Party (PYD).

From the beginning, Turkey opposed this development. Some in Turkey felt the Syrian regime had abandoned the border region to the Kurds, both to avoid opening a new front in the civil war and also as a challenge to Turkey. But when the PYD unilaterally declared autonomous cantons at Qamishli, Kobani and Afrin, nobody, certainly not the Damascus regime, recognized these new entities. Then when the PYD's military arm, the People's Protection Units (YPG), began seizing land between the disconnected cantons, Turkey reacted strongly and declared it wouldn't allow a Kurdish entity to form a corridor on Turkey’s border.

In recent months, Western countries have been supplying arms to the YPG and giving political support to the PYD. These uncoordinated, conflicting interests of outside powers and lack of political cohesion among the Kurds assured that the Kurdish issue in Syria would remain unresolved. Kurds at times built close relations with the United States and at other times with Russia.

So some political figures in the region have wondered why Turkey has kept silent about Russia's blatant support for the Kurds. Another Kurdish official who was involved in the Khmeimim meeting said, “Of course the Turks know exactly what transpired in the meeting. They also know the Syrian regime is not going to accept the Russian plan for an autonomous Kurdish entity. So why should Ankara react and upset Moscow for an illusion that's not likely to work?"



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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Tue Oct 25, 2016 8:52 pm

Russia in the end is seeking an alternative to Assad that they can control.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby smooth » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:10 am

The Western clandestine plan for the region is the destruction of the Turks and their encirclement, Russia is somewhat in on this and it all boils down to oil and the plan for the new middle east map to be drawn based on Ethnic groups and sectarianism.

The Turks vision is the transport of oil from Kirkurk for which they signed massive deals recently and are friends with Barzani whom is the Kurdish leader in Northern Iraq, they want to transport that oil across Europe using Turkey as a hub.

The Western powers vision is to create a Kurdish state, transport that oil from Kirkurk across Northern Syria (hence their support for PYD, YPG,PKK ISIS) completely bypassing the Turks, this is why Raqqah, Mosul, Kirkuk , deir al-zour and Northern Aleppo are so important which are the proposed routes.

Barzani recently took firm Turkish stance, the west used ISIS to take over most of Kirkurk and are using them in Mosul to stage devastating attacks against Peshmerga to force his hands and turn the population against him. They are using the Baghdad puppet government to force Turkish withdrawal from Iraq along with Iran (they are both secretly in cahoots), the Shia militias controlled by Iran went as far as threatening attack on Turkish troops.

The Russian's have no interest for Turkey to bring Kirkurk oil to market it will put the Turkish stream at risk as well as the future Syrian pipeline, they also clearly don't trust them, Northern Syria is important for them due to their proposed pipe-line transit and the Kurds currently trust the Russian's more then the American's.

This is a great chess game that's being played in the region, the Turks have upped the ante promising to remove Jabhat al Nusra from Aleppo and Ahrar sham which they fully control, in return for them being allowed to take over Al-Bab and much of Northern Aleppo which is the Russian red-line they can't pass currently, to destroy Western encirclement plans using Kurdish groups.

Finally the Turks have woken up to the clandestine plan's to encircle them, destroy them and destabilise them since the July 15 coup attempt, truly a gift from Allah as Erdogan said, the plan was to use ISIS cover to remove large swathes of Sunni's from Fallujah (done), Mosul, Ramadi(done), Tikirit(done), then next Raqqah, Aleppo, Deir al-zour and displace them all so they enter Turkey

Then use PKK, YPG, PYD, Peshmerga in iraq and Gulenist for encirclement and start vicious civil war in Turkey. The Turks are stopping this plan right in their tracks by their Euphrates shield in Syria and now their ultimatum that no such ethnic cleansing will happen in Mosul and they won't allow Shia militia's to enter the city, they have trained 3000 Sunni forces in Nineveh and stationed large troops to stop this by force, Baghdad and Tehran are unhappy with this, as that will stop the cleansing of the city. God thanks to Turks woke up

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby waryaa » Wed Oct 26, 2016 5:32 am

It is like Somalia rejecting Ethiopian proposal. Syria is now owned by Putin who is willing to fight mighty America and die for it.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby bromie1 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 9:41 am

well, it is in our best interest that the jihadi lot with their ideology, to keep traveling to these countries syria, iraq and. Otherwise, somalia will start to become one giant cluster f**k of with hijrah with all sorts of people, some that are battle tested in aleppo, raqqa and the anbar. America and russia is not of our concern what they do, as it has NO baring on the Shit show that is the Somali case.

The Goal is to Dalka first. The mute point that no one pointed out about the decline of al-shabab over the last 3-4 years militarily is that all the jihadis have been flocking to syria, and when it comes time to flock again, best believe they be coming to somalia

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2016/Oct/wa ... 108099.htm

They have started.


Alot time has been wasted over the last 4 years by Puntland going toe to toe with HSM and has the other useless states in somalia. A good window is closing strategically speaking. HSM and his ciyalka xafaada if they come back have 18months window to totally defeat the jihadis and secure the hinterlands of the most important parts of our country. The blame cannot be put on Ethiopia as its screwed itself and their soldiers will leave soon.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby soomaali1987 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:00 pm

No to kurdish independent...they are not muslims :down:

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby FAH1223 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 2:03 pm

No to kurdish independent...they are not muslims :down:
Most Kurds are Sunni Muslims

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby soomaali1987 » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:43 pm

No their not....i reserve full and long lasting hate against kurds kuffaar :evil:

they are yesidi and will burn in hell without the love of jeesus christ.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby gegiroor » Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:34 am

Few points to keep ind mind:

(1) In the Euphrates Shield, American special forces are part of it, and if reports are true, the US government recently demanded the FSA and Ahrar Al-Sham to stop attacking the SDF (Syrian Kurdish group). They just want them to focus only on ISIS.

(2) West supporting ISIS has no merits in my view. In 2014, when ISIS were close to seizing Baghdad, it was the Western coalition, led by the US, that turned the tide on the sectarian Shia government's favor. If the West had any support backing ISIS, they 'd have allowed them to seize Baghdad and deal with them afterwards.

That said, my personal view on this is, the West, especially US, isn't involved in this conflict just because of oil. If you try to see through that deep confusion with the all of the opposing groups involved, you would see that the so-called 'Anon' plan in motion. In order to establish Greater Zion, the Euphrates river, the Nile river, and everything in between must be secured. The leadership of the Turks, Kurds, Rawaafidh Iran and its proxies, and the West are all pursuing that plan. Once they are all done with the Euphrates, the Nile Shield will be next.

For this plan to work, the Sunni Arab majority who settle in this territory must be crushed. This is where the West supporting Rawaafidh Iran, Rawaafidh government in Baghdad; the creation of guilt-ridden Kurdish state along the Euphrates river; and the bombing and the expulsion against Sunni Muslims in Iraq and Syria comes into the picture. The irony of all of this confusion is, West and Turkey are pretending as if they're supporting Sunni Arabs in Syria while at the same time denying them the means to fight Assad and Russian air power. In Mosul, the West, Turkey,Iran, Kurds, and Iraqi government are all in the same camp when it comes to defeating ISIS; they only differ on how much land each adds to its area of influence.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby FAH1223 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:06 pm

No their not....i reserve full and long lasting hate against kurds kuffaar :evil:

they are yesidi and will burn in hell without the love of jeesus christ.
There's 30 million Kurds across Syria, Iraq, Iran, and Turkey.

97% of them are Sunni Muslim.

Yazidis don't even reach 1 million amongst Kurds.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby gegiroor » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:31 pm

No to kurdish independent...they are not muslims :down:
Most Kurds are Sunni Muslims
Many of them have been reported to be atheists. Don't listen to the kid named FAH. He has been running lately with conspiracy theories.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby FAH1223 » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:37 pm

No to kurdish independent...they are not muslims :down:
Most Kurds are Sunni Muslims
Many of them have been reported to be atheists. Don't listen to the kid named FAH. He has been running lately with conspiracy theories.
How is this a conspiracy? Yeah there's always been leftist/Marxist Kurds but the vast majority are Sunni Muslims.

Every single Kurd I've met is Muslim. :lol:

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby gegiroor » Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:57 pm


Most Kurds are Sunni Muslims
Many of them have been reported to be atheists. Don't listen to the kid named FAH. He has been running lately with conspiracy theories.
How is this a conspiracy? Yeah there's always been leftist/Marxist Kurds but the vast majority are Sunni Muslims.

Every single Kurd I've met is Muslim. :lol:
In Iraq after the invasion, they refused to be classified as Sunni. When Iraqi Sunni Turkmen were being classified as separate just like the Kurds, they refused. Since they are by and large Sunni, they wantef to be classified as Sunni. However, Kurds and Shia were in the same camp and by being classified as non- Sunni group, they reduced the power of Sunni in Iraq.

In Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, today's Kurds are allied with anti Sunni forces. They can claim anything they want, but to the eyes of larger Sunni Muslim World, they're seen as communists and atheists.

That doesn't mean we have issues with ahlul- tawheed Kurds. We dont as they're our brethren in faith.

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby gurey25 » Fri Oct 28, 2016 6:27 am


Many of them have been reported to be atheists. Don't listen to the kid named FAH. He has been running lately with conspiracy theories.
How is this a conspiracy? Yeah there's always been leftist/Marxist Kurds but the vast majority are Sunni Muslims.

Every single Kurd I've met is Muslim. :lol:
In Iraq after the invasion, they refused to be classified as Sunni. When Iraqi Sunni Turkmen were being classified as separate just like the Kurds, they refused. Since they are by and large Sunni, they wantef to be classified as Sunni. However, Kurds and Shia were in the same camp and by being classified as non- Sunni group, they reduced the power of Sunni in Iraq.

In Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, today's Kurds are allied with anti Sunni forces. They can claim anything they want, but to the eyes of larger Sunni Muslim World, they're seen as communists and atheists.

That doesn't mean we have issues with ahlul- tawheed Kurds. We dont as they're our brethren in faith.
So you have just declared yourself a takfiri, am I hearing you right?
The Kurds are not really Muslim only ahlu tawhid which I assume is another name for your cult?

I've worked with Kurds, visited irbil you cannot say they are not Sunni, much less Muslim.
Somalia was very secular in the 60's just like the Kurds are today, are you saying your parents generation were kufaar????????????????

Wtf!

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Re: Syria rejects Russian proposal for Kurdish federation

Postby gegiroor » Fri Oct 28, 2016 7:09 am


How is this a conspiracy? Yeah there's always been leftist/Marxist Kurds but the vast majority are Sunni Muslims.

Every single Kurd I've met is Muslim. :lol:
In Iraq after the invasion, they refused to be classified as Sunni. When Iraqi Sunni Turkmen were being classified as separate just like the Kurds, they refused. Since they are by and large Sunni, they wantef to be classified as Sunni. However, Kurds and Shia were in the same camp and by being classified as non- Sunni group, they reduced the power of Sunni in Iraq.

In Iraq, Syria, and Turkey, today's Kurds are allied with anti Sunni forces. They can claim anything they want, but to the eyes of larger Sunni Muslim World, they're seen as communists and atheists.

That doesn't mean we have issues with ahlul- tawheed Kurds. We dont as they're our brethren in faith.
So you have just declared yourself a takfiri, am I hearing you right?
The Kurds are not really Muslim only ahlu tawhid which I assume is another name for your cult?

I've worked with Kurds, visited irbil you cannot say they are not Sunni, much less Muslim.
Somalia was very secular in the 60's just like the Kurds are today, are you saying your parents generation were kufaar????????????????

Wtf!
If you ally yourself with enemies of Islam, killed , raped, and expelled defenseless Muslims who have done no harm to you, you're outside of Islam's fold. It doesn't need me to prove anything as it is clear cut. Taking part or taking a joy in the massacres that took place in Aleppo, Mosul, Falluja, Ramadi, Ghouta, Hama, Tikrit, and many other Sunni towns in Iraq and Syria - while claiming to be Muslim - have no place in Islam. You go and ask any unbiased Islamic scholar, and he'll tell you like I stated. And I am not one even though the little I know Islam clearly tells me.

With respect to Peshmerga and KRG, what they have done is very clear. Their actions and allies clearly show who they are and what their loyalties lie.

But then you're the guy who hold the Russians and the Rawaafidh Iran in high regard, so I don't expect you much from you. And seriously, I don't see the Rawaafidh, the Sufis who take comfort at the suffering of fellow Sunni Muslims, and seculars who are allies of Allah's enemies as my fellow Muslims.

Lastly, the people that your Kabbala-worshiping cult call "Takfiris" are thousand times closer to the haqq than you, since they're at least trying to do what is right.

The Iraqi and Syrian theater clearly show who is on the haqq and who is lost. WTF, he enjoys the massacres committed by Rawaaafidh, Nusayris, and Kufaar Russians, and he wants to tell us about Islam!


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