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The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby smooth » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:27 am

there is a deal between hassan and farmaajo to go together and vote for the other after the second round.....same pro-islamist groups and countries r backing them. farmajo is the only potential dark horse candidate this time.

it depends on who the D&M votes will go for. if they go for CCC, HAG will vote for farmajo
Interesting analysis, I heard this same thing but passed it off as BS because I couldn't see what Farmaajo could bring to the table, but Nugaal post is eye opening, why Gaas is with HSM in a shady deal makes more sense now, because he realises there is no hope for MJ.

If his post is true which is very reasonable, CC will not make it to the second round unless the votes are very tight and spread out which I don't expect, because both HSM and Sakiin will have a large vote base going into the second, this will even open the door for sheikh Shariif

When did these two man reconcile ? I remember their falling out when Farmaajo was PM and Sakiin speaker, and it was him lobbying for his removal? and now your telling me they are part of the same religious circle ? man Somali politics is a funny thing.

I cannot see them giving each other votes without PM concessions which leaves HAG out and if Yuulka doesn't back out and as Nugaal said they split between those two, Sakiin is in the driving seat in the final against HSM, I see him winning that easily.

Do you know who both candidates have as PM candidates? I am hearing Farmaajo it's some ceyr dude and Sakiin Jibriil, both make no sense, were is the concessions? this looks like a bad marriage destined to fail not build on a strong foundation, to work this, they need to drop HAG each.

Man you got to love HSM an absolute tactician, he has put things into motion in a way that he is the only standing HAG candidate and sown discord between Darood/DIR camps, if he keeps the DIR vote he will win, but something tells me the dark horse is really Sakiin here, unless D-block rally around Farmaajo and don't split votes, but then you have concession problem again! both walking away from PM positions? and Sakiin sacrificing speaker for nothing?

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby sahal80 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 9:49 am

there is a deal between hassan and farmaajo to go together and vote for the other after the second round.....same pro-islamist groups and countries r backing them. farmajo is the only potential dark horse candidate this time.

it depends on who the D&M votes will go for. if they go for CCC, HAG will vote for farmajo
Interesting analysis, I heard this same thing but passed it off as BS because I couldn't see what Farmaajo could bring to the table, but Nugaal post is eye opening, why Gaas is with HSM in a shady deal makes more sense now, because he realises there is no hope for MJ.

If his post is true which is very reasonable, CC will not make it to the second round unless the votes are very tight and spread out which I don't expect, because both HSM and Sakiin will have a large vote base going into the second, this will even open the door for sheikh Shariif

When did these two man reconcile ? I remember their falling out when Farmaajo was PM and Sakiin speaker, and it was him lobbying for his removal? and now your telling me they are part of the same religious circle ? man Somali politics is a funny thing.

I cannot see them giving each other votes without PM concessions which leaves HAG out and if Yuulka doesn't back out and as Nugaal said they split between those two, Sakiin is in the driving seat in the final against HSM, I see him winning that easily.

Do you know who both candidates have as PM candidates? I am hearing Farmaajo it's some ceyr dude and Sakiin Jibriil, both make no sense, were is the concessions? this looks like a bad marriage destined to fail not build on a strong foundation, to work this, they need to drop HAG each.

Man you got to love HSM an absolute tactician, he has put things into motion in a way that he is the only standing HAG candidate and sown discord between Darood/DIR camps, if he keeps the DIR vote he will win, but something tells me the dark horse is really Sakiin here, unless D-block rally around Farmaajo and don't split votes, but then you have concession problem again! both walking away from PM positions? and Sakiin sacrificing speaker for nothing?
what farmajo could bring to the table? hes a back-up candidate for damjadiid+ala shekh groups so he can secure the independent and mx votes. so if he gets through the second round and CCC is leading it, dam jadiid votes will go for farmajo.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby smooth » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:17 am

what farmajo could bring to the table? hes a back-up candidate for damjadiid+ala shekh groups so he can secure the independent and mx votes. so if he gets through the second round and CCC is leading it, dam jadiid votes will go for farmajo.
I find it hard to believe he is damul jadiid, I see him regularly attack HSM and his group, can you elaborate on this more, what is the proof he is part of the group?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MDGuVux9J8
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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Khalid Ali » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:18 am

as long as a hawiye returns to power or dm i would not mind

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Osob101 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:32 am

Dir atleast the entire Northern Dir will vote for Xasan Sheikh as of now but in Somali politics you are sure of a person vote only when the election ends and end result is out :lol:

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby sahal80 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:08 am

what farmajo could bring to the table? hes a back-up candidate for damjadiid+ala shekh groups so he can secure the independent and mx votes. so if he gets through the second round and CCC is leading it, dam jadiid votes will go for farmajo.
I find it hard to believe he is damul jadiid, I see him regularly attack HSM and his group, can you elaborate on this more, what is the proof he is part of the group?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MDGuVux9J8
i have been posting this since april(three months left thread bc it was supposed to take place in august)

farmajo is in nairobi so who campaigns for him in xamar? fahad yaasiin and group of ala sheeikh(murursade wing and their dhulbahante in-law abdikarim jamac director of city university). received money from qatar

so its not about the guys guys rather their team workers. wasnt fahad the main garguurte campaigner in 2012?

he wants to be a minister and mp but every thing goes for farah

this info is 100% correct in principle....you can check out my thread from april

http://www.dhacdo.org/wada-hadalo-hoose ... -farmaajo/

farmajo will not have an abgaal pm hes against certain subclans domination and wants to pick from smaller subclans. i can say his pm will pm an intellectual ala sheikh could be murursade....if hawadle he will appoint afyare elmi or abdinur sheekh

sharif hassan is likely to give his votes to CC due to the UAE...he told her now that hes a candidate but if he can get enough votes for the third round who he will vote for him? likely sharif hassan.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Xaldoon » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:20 am

as long as a hawiye returns to power or dm i would not mind
so as long hawiye are the rulers, representatives and defenders of the somali people; the somali people will prosper :som:

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:24 am

Dir Mps will not all vote for Xassan sheikh. Isaaq maybe. But the Northern Dir, Issa & Samaroon men like Bayle & Abdi Ismaciil Samatar will not vote for Xassan, Biyomal, Sure and other southern Dir will not vote for him.

He might only have 28 out of 61 Dir Votes. Atleast 33 might vote against him.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Halmogg » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:32 am

:comeon: @ "election" :pac:

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby HashIII » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:34 am

4.5 is incredibly broken if DIR and Raxaweyne manage to usurp Daroods spot. If it does happen I wonder if it will occur without a backlash. Wallahi Somali politics incredibly strange, it is akin to a game of thrones.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby bromie1 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 11:58 am

Digil and Mirifle ambitions of being number 2 (speaker post) has gone, they will be running for the presidency, the top 4 positions of power in order currently are

1) President 2) speaker 3) prime-minister 4) foreign minister

This means on December 22 we are likely going to see a non D&M as speaker as Shariif hassan and both Jawaari have agreed they won't run for it this time, whichever Qabiil runs for it and wins it, that's it, no single tribe can hold two posts in the top positions, the greatest unknown shock will happen on that day, and there will be great panic, the rumours so far is that it's DIR, they will move from 4th power to the 2th in the country.

The election composes of 3 rounds, the first is the preliminary were the top 3 will go through to the second round, usually the lowest in the top 3 concedes by forming alliance in the second round, but if that doesn't happen the second round voting will present the final candidates for round 3, current top 4 candidates by number of votes rumoured.

1) CC (80's) 2) HSM (70's) 3) Shariif Hasan (69+) 4) Sheikh Shariif (50-)

In the first round as votes are all split among various candidates Shariif hassan will come out and blitz it with 69 of his handpicked guys whom no one else opposed, the second and third will have significantly less due to split votes (Faroole, Farmaajo, Yuulka will be having some of CC votes) and (Jibriil, HSM, Shariif, Shakur, Tarzan will split Hiirshabelle, Galmudug, Benadir votes)

It looks likely so far the top 3 in chronological order in the second round will be 1) Shariif hassan 2) CC 3) HSM This will probably be the first time the guy in the third position will not concede.

The second round of voting will start and Shariif hassan greatest chance of loosing is in this round if he can't significantly add to his 69 cronies he handpicked, his great hope is the DIR votes since Jawaari wrote that famous letter in support after HSM failed and humiliated them.

That could prove very costly, embolden by their speaker post (DIR) and shocked by the first round (Blitz) of Shariif Hasan, they will believe he has a chance and go for him, this is his chance, if he gets it, he will become one of the finalist and not loose, his only chance of loosing is in the second round not the final or the first. The worst person affected by these gains will be HSM, who will loose, CC won't be affected.

The DIR, HAG, D&M and good portion of the minorities will back him against CC in the final if he gives good concession, he will appoint HAG as a PM and Darood power will go from 3th to 4th in the country as foreign minister, he has the best chance to win against CC as a finalist.

CC leading PM picks as of now are 1) Shakur 2) Jibriil 3) Kulani. He has spoken to all three, Shakur looks like a done deal. His behaviour during the Mudug conflict going to both sides repeatedly, is winning him votes in Galmudug, I know of 5 that will vote for him without a doubt, he is currently the slight favourite in terms of votes, he will comfortably come out the first and second rounds, his greatest challenge will come in the final, his best chance of winning is facing off against HSM.

HSM path to victory is boosted after he got his way and the election won't be held in Xalane under IC control, further boosted by the agreement with Ahla Sheikh to support each other regardless, his main nemesis are the international community and even Keaton who wants a new face and leave the country with a sense of achievement once Ban Ki Moon term ends January.

The people in general love change and a new face, this is likely going to be his undoing, the same happened to Sheikh Shariif whom people didn't resent even close enough as they do to HSM. He will get out of the first, his greatest risk will be the second round of voting with Shariif hassan in the race.

Galmudug is going 50% his way due to Guleed handpicked people not sure about Hiirshabelle (leave it for Sahal), with South-West, P/land out of play leaving DIR he enraged badly. Even worse Guleed pretty much resigning from Galmudug with motions against him, Shariif hasan and Sheikh Shariif are making headway there even CC is picking up votes, bad news for HSM

The International community, the monitoring group, the Arab league, the aid organisations, Qatari's and the Turk's all want the return of Sheikh Shariif, if he gets out the first round, there is absolutely no doubt he will win it, but I doubt this will happen, both HSM and Shariif blocking his path of even getting out the first round, unless a miracle and a great treachery occurs, not being held in Xalane hurts him the most because the IC lobbies can't move as freely, he is the dark horse in this race, his greatest challenge is to get out the first round, if he does it he will win.


My Prediction

Finalist: Shariif hassan Vs CC
winner: Shariif Hasan


If Shariif hassan plays his cards right he will have this in the bag, his 69 hand picked voters from his state + some of the bitter DIR votes Jawari supported againt HSM + all the Galmudug votes that will go to him unanimously after he blitzes the first round (he is the most Pro-Galmudug candidate) and the rest of the minorities and HAG scared of CC will end up voting for him.

We are at the cusp of a potential history here with the first D&M President in Somalia, he is also looking at Jibriil as a PM I have been told, it's the only camp with absolute secrecy, every other camp you hear leaks left right and centre and he has the money for it, it's so secret no one really knows were the funding is coming from.

There is no way D&M giving up the number 2 position in the country, if they thought they never stood a chance at winning and potentially loose both and slip into 4th (foreign minister) sacrificing their speaker post.

I was told, he didn't even want to run, the 69 wanted D&M to run for presidency, this lead Shariif hasan asking Jawaari to run but Jawaari wanted him to run instead and the agreement was that they won't run for the speaker post which would nullify them from the presidency.

His 69 handpicked opponents sworn a pledge to him, prediction is that he will break the record in the first round, he added another 5 Galmudug to his list, so he is at least at 74 now, and rumours a few in Hiirshabelle.
what a stange thing. This must be the most complex form of becoming a president and forming a goverment in the world. :ohhh: :dwill: :lupe:

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby PrinceNugaalHawd » Wed Dec 14, 2016 1:06 pm

I think the top 5 in the first round will be


1. Xassan Sheikh (HAG Hawiyes, Half of Northern Dir) 95 votes
2. Farmaajo (Majority of Darood, Majority of .5, Some Southern Dir, mybe some Murursade & Xawadle, Half of Northern Dir) 110 votes
3. Shariif Sakiin (all of Digil & Mirifle) 69 votes
4. Sheikh Shariif (Alaa Sheikhs, Some Dir, Some Hawiye) 35 votes
5. Omar Abdirashid (Some PL, mainly Mj) 20+ votes

Sheikh Shariif alaa Sheikh votes & Omars votes will go to Farmaajo but Sharif Sakin the bastards has 69 votes and is Anti Darood he most likely will support HSM. But he will come out a looser loosing the Speakers position if they abstain from running for it, because HSM or Sheikh Shariif will not want to upset Darood & Not select a PM from them, Most likely Ogaden. instead he might get couple of important ministers he selects. If Darood wins he bet on the wrong horse, not get to select his ministers and loose the Speaker. Dir might gain the Speaker.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Osob101 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:49 pm

My Personal prediction, the only way I see Xasan Sheikh loose this Presidency is if in the final round another Abgaal is competing against him and the same scenario with Sharif Ahmed will repeat itself. Sharif Sakin is all talk and has absolutely no chance. He neither has more money or charisma and the political machine to compete in Xamar.

Finally why are people saying D&M are 69 Votes? The Lower House 275 and divided 4.5 with each Major clan having 61 Votes unless you people are adding the upper house members into the equation.

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby CaliQaseV2 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:05 pm

My Personal prediction, the only way I see Xasan Sheikh loose this Presidency is if in the final round another Abgaal is competing against him and the same scenario with Sharif Ahmed will repeat itself. Sharif Sakin is all talk and has absolutely no chance. He neither has more money or charisma and the political machine to compete in Xamar.

Finally why are people saying D&M are 69 Votes? The Lower House 275 and divided 4.5 with each Major clan having 61 Votes unless you people are adding the upper house members into the equation.
Upper house is taking part in Presidential (S)elections, right? If so, D&M got 69 votes or close!

Anyhow, there are 2 speaker positions; Seems like D&M are eyeing a bigger fish.

Question is: What is the new (Updated) 4.5 power sharing formula since a new position is created and the existing one is vacated?

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Re: The Somali Election Thread - Analysis & Prediction

Postby Osob101 » Wed Dec 14, 2016 3:24 pm

Yes in the Interim Consistution I believe it does say both members of the house will Vote for the Presidency but isn't it ironic that none of the Upper House positions were heavily contested and seemed all were appointed so easily like it's almost ceremonial LOL. I won't say much but all shall reveal itself very soon.


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